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| Let us spray: Lloyd Webber wants to reopen theaters by pumping in a chemical | |
| Posted by: WaymanWong 03:40 pm EST 02/04/21 | |
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| Link | Daily Mail.com: Andrew Lloyd Webber calls for 'game-changing' chemical to be pumped into theaters to open up Britain amid pandemic |
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| re: Let us spray: Lloyd Webber wants to reopen theaters by pumping in a chemical | |
| Posted by: stan 09:33 am EST 02/05/21 | |
| In reply to: Let us spray: Lloyd Webber wants to reopen theaters by pumping in a chemical - WaymanWong 03:40 pm EST 02/04/21 | |
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| I'm a chemist. I don't believe that TEG, tri ethylene glycol, is especially harmful. It's a fairly good antiseptic. If it was sprayed in the afternoon and I attended an evening performance, I wouldn't be concerned (it's already used in the special effects fog machines). But if I'm an usher or actor or stage hand -- the long time effects (especially bronchial infections) might be hazardous. Let the OSHA people check it out first. | |
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| re: Let us spray: Lloyd Webber wants to reopen theaters by pumping in a chemical | |
| Posted by: singleticket 01:27 pm EST 02/05/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Let us spray: Lloyd Webber wants to reopen theaters by pumping in a chemical - stan 09:33 am EST 02/05/21 | |
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| Good point about the people working in the building full time. | |
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| The article says clean the air when continuously sprayed | |
| Posted by: dramedy 10:22 am EST 02/05/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Let us spray: Lloyd Webber wants to reopen theaters by pumping in a chemical - stan 09:33 am EST 02/05/21 | |
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| So it’s not the afternoon spray for evening performance. I think we are all ok with airplane cleaning before passengers get on. But not continuously during flight. I wouldn’t go to a theater with this. |
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| re: The article says clean the air when continuously sprayed | |
| Posted by: ryhog 02:01 pm EST 02/05/21 | |
| In reply to: The article says clean the air when continuously sprayed - dramedy 10:22 am EST 02/05/21 | |
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| Virtually no one would. The only reason this is getting any play is because the silly old man saying it is famous. Were it the one railing against masks at the grocery the other day and eventually throwing his basket of food onto the floor, it would not even make it into the Chelsea Clinton News. | |
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| re: The article says clean the air when continuously sprayed | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 02:40 pm EST 02/05/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The article says clean the air when continuously sprayed - ryhog 02:01 pm EST 02/05/21 | |
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| "The only reason this is getting any play is because the silly old man saying it is famous." Well, and sperically because he's famous in theatrical circles, as both a composer and a theater owner. Just out of curiosity, ryhog, do you think any of the several PR people employed by ALW attempt to get him to stop saying idiotic things, or are they not employed for that purpose and have no sway over him in that regard? |
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| re: The article says clean the air when continuously sprayed | |
| Posted by: ryhog 03:04 pm EST 02/05/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The article says clean the air when continuously sprayed - Michael_Portantiere 02:40 pm EST 02/05/21 | |
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| Ha. I don't know. I doubt he pays anyone to tell him to stop saying idiotic things. I guess the real question is whether he (like some others, including some others in this business) only engages people who say yes to his ideas and I suspect the answer to that is yes. Some people lack much of an onboard editing capability. Some of us lose find our ability to edit what we say diminishes over time (sometimes charmingly) and some of us seem to have lost this ability at a young age (including a certain performer who had a famous association with the aforementioned composer in the last century). |
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| re: The article says clean the air when continuously sprayed | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 12:17 am EST 02/06/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The article says clean the air when continuously sprayed - ryhog 03:04 pm EST 02/05/21 | |
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| "Some of us find our ability to edit what we say diminishes over time (sometimes charmingly) and some of us seem to have lost this ability at a young age (including a certain performer who had a famous association with the aforementioned composer in the last century)." Hmmm, I wonder who that could be???!!!! |
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| I’m the one voice here but... | |
| Last Edit: Leon_W 02:36 am EST 02/05/21 | |
| Posted by: Leon_W 02:16 am EST 02/05/21 | |
| In reply to: Let us spray: Lloyd Webber wants to reopen theaters by pumping in a chemical - WaymanWong 03:40 pm EST 02/04/21 | |
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| If there is a chance that this would work and be safe then surely it’s worth at least investigating? As for the comparison to gas chambers I would say that we are often in locations where chemicals are being sprayed, there is a whole industry around smells for example to aid the sale of popcorn or other products. I think a lot for the reaction here is born of hatred of ALW, I think he is just desperate to save the performing arts industry which is dying. In case you didn’t notice. If Sondheim had suggested this you would all be saying “Great idea Steve, you see he cares about saving theaters” | |
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| re: I’m the one voice here but... | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 01:03 pm EST 02/05/21 | |
| In reply to: I’m the one voice here but... - Leon_W 02:16 am EST 02/05/21 | |
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| But Sondheim didn't say it, did he? Nor, I suspect, would he. And Webber did say it, because of course he would. Perhaps people's judgment of Webber is based on more than just his music? Perhaps we aren't as basic as you seem to think? |
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| I like ALW’s work | |
| Posted by: dramedy 10:25 am EST 02/05/21 | |
| In reply to: I’m the one voice here but... - Leon_W 02:16 am EST 02/05/21 | |
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| And don’t follow his politics. But this just reeks of big business opening up no matter what the implications to others. | |
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| re: I’m the one voice here but... | |
| Posted by: ryhog 09:25 am EST 02/05/21 | |
| In reply to: I’m the one voice here but... - Leon_W 02:16 am EST 02/05/21 | |
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| You begin your post with an "if" and in this case that really becomes the end of it. I don't know if it works or not (lots of draconian measures would work, whether this one actually does or not, but that does not mean they can be justified) but we know that this chemical is not safe and we also know that its safety in general has been investigated, which is not what he is asking for. He is saying use it. Also re Sondheim, these are both old men who could lose enough of their rationality to propose something like this. (It does not appear that Sondheim has, but if he said this, that would be the presumption and we would still not abide the suggestion. The only difference between our reaction would be one of sorrow, because unlike ALW the proposal would not be consistent with a long history of immoral politics.) | |
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| Yeah, I'm calling BS on that | |
| Posted by: MockingbirdGirl 07:50 am EST 02/05/21 | |
| In reply to: I’m the one voice here but... - Leon_W 02:16 am EST 02/05/21 | |
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| I, too, think the gas chamber analogy is as bit overwrought—I imagine what's being proposed is more akin to the greenhouse at the NY Botanical Gardens where they spray the mist periodically. However: If Sondheim had suggested this you would all be saying “Great idea Steve, you see he cares about saving theaters” Bollocks. I'm not going to take medical advice from any composer, no matter how much I like his output. And last time I checked, Sondheim's epidemiological qualifications were no greater than ALWs. |
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| re: I’m the one voice here but... | |
| Last Edit: Chromolume 02:54 am EST 02/05/21 | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 02:41 am EST 02/05/21 | |
| In reply to: I’m the one voice here but... - Leon_W 02:16 am EST 02/05/21 | |
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| If Sondheim had suggested this you would all be saying “Great idea Steve, you see he cares about saving theaters” 1) I doubt he would have suggested it. Also, shouldn't these kind of things be left up to the medical professionals, not theatre composers/entrepreneurs? Please. 2) If he did suggest it, I'd feel the same way I do now. And I would be upset at Sondheim for suggesting it. 3) Are you really going to get into a debate about which of the 2 composers we "like" better, in the face of life and death decisions about the pandemic? Come on. |
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| re: I’m the one voice here but... | |
| Last Edit: MisterIng 06:04 am EST 02/05/21 | |
| Posted by: MisterIng 06:03 am EST 02/05/21 | |
| In reply to: re: I’m the one voice here but... - Chromolume 02:41 am EST 02/05/21 | |
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| With you on all of this including being Jewish - as I am myself. I suppose for me, horrible idea of chemicals in a closed room not-withstanding, the issue is the guise of "needing to save the arts, and theatre and so on," (of course) but in reality, isn't it all so that ALW, a landowner still i believe to some degree is bound to mortgages that may have the good fortune of a moratorium for the moment (though who knows) but will most certainly come due, and that will be in the many many millions. The options end up without producer rents and patron income being depleting one's own savings (which never are endless, even if it is in the billion dollar range), declaring bankruptcy for the company, losing everything, or selling off everything at very reduced prices, losing maybe even more than he has to leverage. Granted, like Bernie Madoff, there is always a nice little stash somewhere, but who even knows? Either way, with ALW it doesn't ever feel, no matter how hard he tries, about saving the art - . I would gander a guess that in the case of Sondheim, whatever the idea, at least it would be rooted in that. | |
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| re: Let us spray: Lloyd Webber wants to reopen theaters by pumping in a chemical | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 12:25 am EST 02/05/21 | |
| In reply to: Let us spray: Lloyd Webber wants to reopen theaters by pumping in a chemical - WaymanWong 03:40 pm EST 02/04/21 | |
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| I hesitated to post this, but I'm doing it. Speaking as a Jewish man, the concept of someone "pumping" suspect chemicals into an enclosed space with a lot of people inside, frankly, f-ing turns my stomach. And in the current political climate (we make space lasers, ya know), I don't think my reaction is too far of a stretch. I've always championed the idea of separating the human from the artist in cases of reprehensible behavior, but this one is a challenge. What the hell kind of world are we living in? |
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| re: Let us spray: Lloyd Webber wants to reopen theaters by pumping in a chemical | |
| Posted by: raydan 11:54 pm EST 02/04/21 | |
| In reply to: Let us spray: Lloyd Webber wants to reopen theaters by pumping in a chemical - WaymanWong 03:40 pm EST 02/04/21 | |
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| He’s become another, “Millionaire That Goes Like This” |
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| re: Let us spray: Lloyd Webber wants to reopen theaters by pumping in a chemical | |
| Last Edit: pecansforall 06:57 pm EST 02/04/21 | |
| Posted by: pecansforall 06:56 pm EST 02/04/21 | |
| In reply to: Let us spray: Lloyd Webber wants to reopen theaters by pumping in a chemical - WaymanWong 03:40 pm EST 02/04/21 | |
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| According to the manufacturers the chemical has to be "continually sprayed" in indoor areas which would seem to mean that audiences would be continuously breathing the chemical throughout a performance. It would be one thing for a theater to be fogged with the chemical between performances when the theater is empty but I don't think many audiences would be interested in continually breathing whatever this stuff is. The health effects of triethylene glycol was of great concern with Actor's Equity in the 90's because it is (was?) used in many theatrical smoke machines on Broadway. Report is linked below. |
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| Link | National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health |
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| Injecting bleach should be tried also | |
| Last Edit: dramedy 05:04 pm EST 02/04/21 | |
| Posted by: dramedy 05:03 pm EST 02/04/21 | |
| In reply to: Let us spray: Lloyd Webber wants to reopen theaters by pumping in a chemical - WaymanWong 03:40 pm EST 02/04/21 | |
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| Another millionaire businessman ignoring science. | |
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| re: Injecting bleach should be tried also | |
| Posted by: ryhog 05:51 pm EST 02/04/21 | |
| In reply to: Injecting bleach should be tried also - dramedy 05:03 pm EST 02/04/21 | |
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| billionaire. He is as pure a Tory as any person in the United Kingdom. From the outset, he has been focused on making money at the expense of all reason. |
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| re: Injecting bleach should be tried also | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 11:37 pm EST 02/04/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Injecting bleach should be tried also - ryhog 05:51 pm EST 02/04/21 | |
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| It's amazing that he has any credibility left whatsoever -- but certainly not as far as I'm concerned. One would have thought that the glaringly unsuccessful first attempt to reopen London theaters would have been enough to get him to back off, but obviously not. I don't think much more needs to be said about him or his motivations. | |
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| What could go wrong? | |
| Posted by: Roman 04:58 pm EST 02/04/21 | |
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| Whee! | |
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| re: What could go wrong? | |
| Posted by: Zelgo 08:49 am EST 02/05/21 | |
| In reply to: What could go wrong? - Roman 04:58 pm EST 02/04/21 | |
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| I'm not so desperate that I need to see CATS during a pandemic in a theatre being pumped with a chemical we don't know is effective against COVID. | |
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