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| re: This is one of the sexiest scenes in cinema history | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 03:01 am EST 02/13/21 | |
| In reply to: re: This is one of the sexiest scenes in cinema history - portenopete 11:26 pm EST 02/12/21 | |
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| Many of the regional colloquialisms in Oklahoma!, as well as the spellings meant to suggest pronunciation, come from Green Grow the Lilacs. And Lynn Riggs knew whereof he wrote. | |
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| re: This is one of the sexiest scenes in cinema history | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 09:06 pm EST 02/13/21 | |
| In reply to: re: This is one of the sexiest scenes in cinema history - AlanScott 03:01 am EST 02/13/21 | |
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| That may be, but a lot of the same or similar ones also happen in Carousel, and you can't tell me that they speak the same way up in Maine. | |
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| re: This is one of the sexiest scenes in cinema history | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 03:45 pm EST 02/13/21 | |
| In reply to: re: This is one of the sexiest scenes in cinema history - AlanScott 03:01 am EST 02/13/21 | |
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| "Many of the regional colloquialisms in Oklahoma!, as well as the spellings meant to suggest pronunciation, come from Green Grow the Lilacs. And Lynn Riggs knew whereof he wrote." Thanks for pointing that out. I think the main reason some people have a problem with the spellings meant to suggest pronunciation is that, for whatever reason, they tend to look odd and/or patronizing when written out that way. But we should bear in mind that those spellings are meant as guides for the actors, and if the actors can pull off the dialect in a way that sounds natural, that's great :-) Similar situation in several other works, including SOUTH PACIFIC (Bloody Mary's speech) and PORGY AND BESS, though in the latter case, DuBose Heyward did live among the people he was writing about even if he was not one of them, whereas in the case of SOUTH PACIFIC, both Michener and Hammerstein were outside observers, for whatever difference one feels that makes. |
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| re: This is one of the sexiest scenes in cinema history | |
| Posted by: portenopete 03:37 pm EST 02/13/21 | |
| In reply to: re: This is one of the sexiest scenes in cinema history - AlanScott 03:01 am EST 02/13/21 | |
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| The same could be argued for Bernard Shaw's persistent transliteration of cockney (and other dialects) in his plays, but in the mouths of actors trying to bring them to life, they often ring strained and fake. | |
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| re: This is one of the sexiest scenes in cinema history | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 10:14 pm EST 02/13/21 | |
| In reply to: re: This is one of the sexiest scenes in cinema history - portenopete 03:37 pm EST 02/13/21 | |
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| Hey, portenoporte. I was responding to this in the earlier post of yours: "hackneyed regional colloquialisms - which feel largely invented." I won't argue that they don't often ring strained and fake in the mouths of actors — although I'm not so sure they did when these works were new — but that isn't the point of yours to which I was responding. I was simply saying that although they may seem hackneyed and largely invented, we have reason to believe that they were authentic. I've made the Shaw comparison myself here in the past. O'Neill did it a lot, too, as did (as has been noted in other posts in response to mine) many other playwrights and novelists, including Zora Neale Hurston. Of course, I know that you know that lots of other writers did this. You're very knowledgeable. |
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| re: This is one of the sexiest scenes in cinema history | |
| Posted by: singleticket 01:44 pm EST 02/13/21 | |
| In reply to: re: This is one of the sexiest scenes in cinema history - AlanScott 03:01 am EST 02/13/21 | |
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| It's also a technique that was very common in American poetry and fiction since James Russell Lowell. | |
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