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| re: My standard: are people boarding planes and flying to NYC specifically to come see this person? | |
| Posted by: ryhog 10:24 am EST 02/14/21 | |
| In reply to: My standard: are people boarding planes and flying to NYC specifically to come see this person? - GrumpyMorningBoy 07:54 am EST 02/14/21 | |
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| You have the right standard, but you need to add a y-axis in order to reach an assessment. Of course (some) people on this board would come to NYC just to see all of these people (maybe except Broderick) but that is not nearly enough. What is the dimension of the audience? Note that many of the people you mention have been in shows that failed to find an audience (and that "of course" includes the one you say is an all-in-caps "of course"). I think by the way that it is almost always about the show and not the person. Even Jackman's demand softened after a few weeks last time (and that was at Circle!) |
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| re: My standard: are people boarding planes and flying to NYC specifically to come see this person? | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 01:10 pm EST 02/14/21 | |
| In reply to: re: My standard: are people boarding planes and flying to NYC specifically to come see this person? - ryhog 10:24 am EST 02/14/21 | |
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| Well, certainly the combination of show and performer is important, but I wouldn't use the example of Jackman, who people love because he's a showman, appearing in a rather oblique and hard to follow non-musical as the evidence that the show is the draw, not the person. Arguably, Jackman drew enough of a crowd to keep that play running at all, since the material was uniquely un-Broadway. | |
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| re: My standard: are people boarding planes and flying to NYC specifically to come see this person? | |
| Posted by: ryhog 07:30 pm EST 02/14/21 | |
| In reply to: re: My standard: are people boarding planes and flying to NYC specifically to come see this person? - Singapore/Fling 01:10 pm EST 02/14/21 | |
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| I think you are either missing my point or I did a lousy job of stating it. When I say it is almost always the show first, I think what you say about Jackman supports that notion. I said almost because I think there are a few people that folks would go to see just to be close, regardless. (Would a bunch of people fly in to see the Obamas in a play without even asking what it was? Probably.) And I think there are a few that fit in the "last chance" category. But my broader point is that there really is no workable metric based on the board a plane standard that makes sense to me, even for Hugh Jackman who, for the record, I can live without seeing, but that's another song. :-) | |
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| re: My standard: are people boarding planes and flying to NYC specifically to come see this person? | |
| Last Edit: Roman 10:33 am EST 02/14/21 | |
| Posted by: Roman 10:31 am EST 02/14/21 | |
| In reply to: re: My standard: are people boarding planes and flying to NYC specifically to come see this person? - ryhog 10:24 am EST 02/14/21 | |
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| Yeah, I really reject the theory that people flocked to see Midler because it was their last chance to do so. The play she did at the Booth didn’t bring folks in. But put a beloved star in a first-class revival of a beloved show? People are gonna (and did) fly in. I think only the theatre-obsessed are gonna fly in to see Patti. Her fan base isn’t anywhere near Midler’s or Jackman’s, but they ARE passionate. I think they want to see her yell at someone as much as perform. That said, I would never recommend flying in for Audra because chances are good that you’ll get her understudy. |
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| re: My standard: are people boarding planes and flying to NYC specifically to come see this person? | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 12:24 pm EST 02/14/21 | |
| In reply to: re: My standard: are people boarding planes and flying to NYC specifically to come see this person? - Roman 10:31 am EST 02/14/21 | |
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| Well hold on now... a play vs a musical, when we're talking about the draw of a *singing* superstar, we can't compared a play she doesn't sing in and is an entirely new piece about someone most people have never heard of and don't care about.... to one of the most endearing, enduring, and recognizable musicals there is. I think half the people who went because of Bette wouldn't have gone if someone else were starring in the Hello Dolly revival. So it's about both, the performer and the show, very much so. |
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| re: My standard: are people boarding planes and flying to NYC specifically to come see this person? | |
| Posted by: PlayWiz 12:43 pm EST 02/14/21 | |
| In reply to: re: My standard: are people boarding planes and flying to NYC specifically to come see this person? - Chazwaza 12:24 pm EST 02/14/21 | |
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| I got a free ticket to see a concert with Bette Midler, The VIllage People, Earth Wind and Fire, Nile Rodger & Le Chic a few years ago at Forest Hills Stadium. Not a sellout by far, but fabulous concert with Ms. M at the end (maybe half a year pre-Dolly). | |
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