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| re: No. That isn't what I was suggesting. // I'd like to see one actual couple, though... | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 10:45 am EST 02/16/21 | |
| In reply to: No. That isn't what I was suggesting. // I'd like to see one actual couple, though... - GrumpyMorningBoy 04:18 pm EST 02/15/21 | |
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| Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but are you suggesting that Steven Pasquale should play Tony rather than Joe, a role he's practically perfect for (even if he's arguably in the process of aging out of it)? I think he would be all wrong for Tony, not only physically but in terms of vocal type, whereas Joe would be a wonderful fit for him. | |
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| re: No. That isn't what I was suggesting. // I'd like to see one actual couple, though... | |
| Last Edit: GrumpyMorningBoy 01:07 pm EST 02/16/21 | |
| Posted by: GrumpyMorningBoy 01:03 pm EST 02/16/21 | |
| In reply to: re: No. That isn't what I was suggesting. // I'd like to see one actual couple, though... - Michael_Portantiere 10:45 am EST 02/16/21 | |
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| It's not like this is ever gonna happen, but yeah. That's what I'm suggesting. Of COURSE he's perfect for Joe. That's all we've ever seen him do. I want him to put on a lotta makeup and get uglier and play Tony. And yeah, I know that's unusual casting. But if we're making a fantasy movie musical, I don't want Tony to sound like an opera singer. I just want him to sound good. I really don't think every classic Golden Age musical's baritone role needs to sound like Ezio Pinza, Robert Goulet, or John Raitt. While I absolutely appreciate the contributions of Paulo Szot and Brian Stokes Mitchell, I really do think that somewhat more conventional musical theater singers like Hugh Jackman, Patrick Wilson and Joshua Henry -- each of whom have a vocal timbre which is beautiful, but not nearly as big and round -- sound just fine to a modern ear. They've all taken on those classic baritone roles in recent years and done very well by them. To be fair, my fantasy movie musical version of THE MOST HAPPY FELLA cuts some music. So the operatic nature would probably be toned down a bit, anyway. Kind of delighted that my tangential comment spawned so much good discussion though about what might have been! - GMB |
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| re: No. That isn't what I was suggesting. // I'd like to see one actual couple, though... | |
| Last Edit: PlayWiz 02:49 pm EST 02/17/21 | |
| Posted by: PlayWiz 02:47 pm EST 02/17/21 | |
| In reply to: re: No. That isn't what I was suggesting. // I'd like to see one actual couple, though... - GrumpyMorningBoy 01:03 pm EST 02/16/21 | |
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| "somewhat more conventional musical theater singers like Hugh Jackman, Patrick Wilson and Joshua Henry -- each of whom have a vocal timbre which is beautiful, but not nearly as big and round -- sound just fine to a modern ear." I don't think Hugh Jackman has a beautiful timbre at all. I'm not alone in this, as I've seen other criticisms in this regard; his voice is both nasal and throaty at times, but he does have great presence otherwise and looks good moving, as he did when playing Peter Allen. He'll be fine in "Music Man" because it's a reasonably easy sing, unlike Jean Valjean which was something of a trial to listen to, though he came off better in that film because he still sounded better than Russell Crowe. Patrick Wilson has a fine voice, though stylistically he screwed up a few numbers in the traditional musical style of "Tenderloin" going for a modern "yelly" kind of big note after having been right on target for most of the songs. I don't know Henry's voice enough to comment upon it. |
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| re: No. That isn't what I was suggesting. // I'd like to see one actual couple, though... | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 01:47 pm EST 02/16/21 | |
| In reply to: re: No. That isn't what I was suggesting. // I'd like to see one actual couple, though... - GrumpyMorningBoy 01:03 pm EST 02/16/21 | |
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| "But if we're making a fantasy movie musical, I don't want Tony to sound like an opera singer. I just want him to sound good. I really don't think every classic Golden Age musical's baritone role needs to sound like Ezio Pinza, Robert Goulet, or John Raitt." I understand what you mean in general, and I might agree in some cases, but it's ironic to me that you would pick Tony in THE MOST HAPPY FELLA as a prime example of a character that doesn't need to "sound like an opera singer." To me, if there's ONE role in the canon that is entirely, 100 percent appropriate to be sung by an opera singer, and benefits greatly from such a voice, it's that one, because of the style of music that Loesser wrote for the character of a middle-aged Italian man living in the early/middle years of the 20th century -- a character who I think would have opera in his blood. |
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| re: No. That isn't what I was suggesting. // I'd like to see one actual couple, though... | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 01:18 am EST 02/17/21 | |
| In reply to: re: No. That isn't what I was suggesting. // I'd like to see one actual couple, though... - Michael_Portantiere 01:47 pm EST 02/16/21 | |
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| To me, if there's ONE role in the canon that is entirely, 100 percent appropriate to be sung by an opera singer, and benefits greatly from such a voice, it's that one, because of the style of music that Loesser wrote for the character of a middle-aged Italian man living in the early/middle years of the 20th century -- a character who I think would have opera in his blood. THIS we agree on!!!! :-) |
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| re: No. That isn't what I was suggesting. // I'd like to see one actual couple, though... | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 10:35 am EST 02/17/21 | |
| In reply to: re: No. That isn't what I was suggesting. // I'd like to see one actual couple, though... - Chromolume 01:18 am EST 02/17/21 | |
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