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| re: Try to remember: Will Tony ballots test the voters' powers of recollection? | |
| Posted by: ryhog 09:28 pm EST 02/18/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Try to remember: Will Tony ballots test the voters' powers of recollection? - Chromolume 08:36 pm EST 02/18/21 | |
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| to answer your question: yes, there are those who have think it makes no sense at all. (And there are those here and elsewhere who take this position in every year.) But, let's try to remember: :-) 1. The modern Tonys exist for one and only one reason: marketing. 2. The awards will be a smaller slice of the show than usual, if for no other reason because there is less ground to cover. 3. There will be an open door policy on performances, meaning anyone who wants to pay can play. 4. The usual suspects will watch the show. 5. The first season back is going to be VERY local, so that is motivation enough to market the hell out of whatever we have happening. 6. It's not going to be normal because nothing is going to be normal. Now on the subject of recollection, the article is silly, and not a very good measure of much of anything. Tony voters saw the shows they saw as Tony voters, not as random theatre-goers out for a night on the town. Unless they are the type that never did, they paid attention and they remember what they saw at least enough to distinguish between the limited selection that will be placed before them. I have not forgotten the details of the last 10 shows I saw, because I watch theatre differently than the average person and I know from reading this board that so do a lot of people here. including you. Plus I doubt seriously that there is data suggesting a material difference in recollection by professionals between 6 months and 16 months or whatever it ends up being. But getting back to #1 above, it doesn't matter. Votes will be tallied. People will be recognized. And we will move on. The message is simple: the fabulous invalid can still crawl. |
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| If the Tonys exist for that one and only one reason.... | |
| Last Edit: KingSpeed 06:50 am EST 02/21/21 | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 06:49 am EST 02/21/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Try to remember: Will Tony ballots test the voters' powers of recollection? - ryhog 09:28 pm EST 02/18/21 | |
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| ...then why do we have them at all? A Tony is an award, not a commercial. The number one reason should be to honor excellence in the theater just as the Oscars are to honor excellence in film. The Oscars aren't a series of commercials for Marvel Universe and Star Wars movies. If the Tonys is just a show of overly sold jukebox numbers (like the recent NBC special), what's the point? You can market Broadway all you want on TV, but if its not about honoring excellence in the theater, then don't call it the Tonys. At this point, the Tonys should be given out ASAP in a press conference format. Then, whenever Broadway comes back, you can have a big Welcome Back Broadway special and the Off-Broadway cast of Jersey Boys can sing all night. | |
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| re: If the Tonys exist for that one and only one reason.... | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 02:29 pm EST 02/21/21 | |
| In reply to: If the Tonys exist for that one and only one reason.... - KingSpeed 06:49 am EST 02/21/21 | |
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| You seem to have forgotten that the Oscars expanded the Best Picture slot to 10, in order to make room for crowd-friendly blockbusters, and then even tried to create a Blockbuster category for just this very reason (and also because they want to drive viewers for the live TV show). And then the live TV show is full of clips of movies that include flashy spectacle from the latest Marvel and Star Wars franchise entries (which are all nominated in the craft categories like VFX and sound); and in the rare case of a film like "Black Panther", are actually giving it awards and further featuring it on TV. It's a commercial that honors excellence. And can be an excellent commercial. |
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| re: If the Tonys exist for that one and only one reason.... | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 07:02 pm EST 02/21/21 | |
| In reply to: re: If the Tonys exist for that one and only one reason.... - Singapore/Fling 02:29 pm EST 02/21/21 | |
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| My quibble was with ryhog who said the only reason for the Tonys is for marketing. That is not true for the Oscars. | |
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| re: If the Tonys exist for that one and only one reason.... | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 08:10 pm EST 02/21/21 | |
| In reply to: re: If the Tonys exist for that one and only one reason.... - KingSpeed 07:02 pm EST 02/21/21 | |
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| Why do you think the Oscars are different from the Tonys? Or am I misreading your post? | |
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| re: If the Tonys exist for that one and only one reason.... | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 12:30 am EST 02/22/21 | |
| In reply to: re: If the Tonys exist for that one and only one reason.... - Singapore/Fling 08:10 pm EST 02/21/21 | |
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| The Oscars are different than what he says the Tonys are. | |
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| re: If the Tonys exist for that one and only one reason.... | |
| Posted by: ryhog 11:12 am EST 02/21/21 | |
| In reply to: If the Tonys exist for that one and only one reason.... - KingSpeed 06:49 am EST 02/21/21 | |
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| I missed this one earlier when I said I thought we agreed on your other posts LOL I think you misunderstand a little. What I have said is that the marketing aspect is what makes the Tonys possible. Producers pay big money because it is a cost-effective marketing tool, not because it is to honor excellence (although honoring excellence is a significant part of the marketing). Having a commercial motive does not mean that the Tonys don't honor excellence; they do. But what I think it is essential to understand is that the League owns the Tonys and that is because it is deemed a great marketing tool. Without that marketing, the Drama Desks et al would suffice to award excellence. Hence, the idea of just having a press conference misapprehends the raison d'être of the Tonys. And having a special (even indulging in the notion that CBS would sign on) is not the same thing. The Tonys are a brand too. |
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| re: Try to remember: Will Tony ballots test the voters' powers of recollection? | |
| Posted by: Quicheo 10:27 am EST 02/19/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Try to remember: Will Tony ballots test the voters' powers of recollection? - ryhog 09:28 pm EST 02/18/21 | |
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| I agree with your excellent analysis except for point 5. I think there are a lot of people with extra travel money burning a hole in their proverbial pockets. If hotels and airlines continue to have lower rates than typical, this will fuel the desire to return to "before time" travel behavior, including New York and New York theater. Some may stay away, yes, but fear of Covid is more diffuse in the hinterlands and if Broadway is even remotely called safe, barricades will be stormed. Heck, if Ted Cruz's daughters can get him to travel to Mexico in a snowstorm, imagine what the Six-loving, slime crowd can get their parents to do. |
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| re: Try to remember: Will Tony ballots test the voters' powers of recollection? | |
| Posted by: ryhog 12:56 pm EST 02/19/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Try to remember: Will Tony ballots test the voters' powers of recollection? - Quicheo 10:27 am EST 02/19/21 | |
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| I can't argue with that because no one can actually know the contours. There is no question that there are people with money in their pockets, but there are also many with none. I agree that folks who have worked through the pandemic, have been armed (no pun intended) with an effective vaccine, and are theatre lovers may come but I guess the question is the depth of that audience for a year or so. My sense is that the expectation is that there will be a heavy dependence on relatively local audiences. The added consideration is that the shows that will sell early on (to locals) may not be the ones people will travel in to see. Could I and others be dead wrong? Yep. | |
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| re: Try to remember: Will Tony ballots test the voters' powers of recollection? | |
| Posted by: NewtonUK 08:29 am EST 02/19/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Try to remember: Will Tony ballots test the voters' powers of recollection? - ryhog 09:28 pm EST 02/18/21 | |
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| I agree 100%. And speaking for myself, when the nominations came out in October i printed them out, thought about it, and circled the nominees I was going to vote for. I'm sure many voters did the same. | |
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