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| re: Try to remember: Will Tony ballots test the voters' powers of recollection? | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 07:01 am EST 02/21/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Try to remember: Will Tony ballots test the voters' powers of recollection? - ryhog 10:13 pm EST 02/19/21 | |
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| Exactly. This should be an AWARD show. Something that means something. NOT a commercial to get butts in the seats. Those are two different things. And you don't know how proudly he'll place the award on his mantel and how much he'll cherish it. That's up to him. | |
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| re: Try to remember: Will Tony ballots test the voters' powers of recollection? | |
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| Posted by: WaymanWong 03:29 pm EST 02/21/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Try to remember: Will Tony ballots test the voters' powers of recollection? - KingSpeed 07:01 am EST 02/21/21 | |
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| ''And you don't know how proudly he'll place the award on his mantel and how much he'll cherish it.'' After the Tony nominations were announced in October, this was Aaron's reaction: ''It's a huge honor and I am so grateful to be nominated!! It's also vitally important to highlight that this recognition represents, collectively, thousands of hours of work by hundreds of individuals working on 'Moulin Rouge! The Musical.' ...'' And as recently as last month, here's what Aaron said about the Tony nominations to the New York Times: ''I was so happy they decided to go forward with it — it was a strange year and a shortened season, but there was a lot of great work done. I’ve tried to think of my nomination as recognition of my work and the performance. And I did reach out to [“The Lightning Thief” actor] Chris McCarrell, who was the other person who could have been nominated — I’ve had a couple of difficult Tony mornings, so I understand what that feels like.'' Based on what Aaron's said, I'd say the Tonys and what they represent matter to him, and he WOULD be very proud to put a Tony on his mantel. |
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| re: Try to remember: Will Tony ballots test the voters' powers of recollection? | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 01:42 pm EST 02/21/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Try to remember: Will Tony ballots test the voters' powers of recollection? - KingSpeed 07:01 am EST 02/21/21 | |
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| They really aren't two different things, though. All manner of industries give out awards both to honor excellence AND to create outside interest in the product the industry is selling. The Oscars are a wonderful way of acknowledging incredible work AND a way to get people to go to the movies or subscribe to a streaming platform in order to watch all of the nominees before they join the office pool and then watch the television broadcast, which the industry is very open about regarding as a giant commercial for movies as a whole. Many of us like to believe that awards exist entirely for their own beneficence, but that's naive. |
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| I agree with you | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 06:57 pm EST 02/21/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Try to remember: Will Tony ballots test the voters' powers of recollection? - Singapore/Fling 01:42 pm EST 02/21/21 | |
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| I was disagreeing with ryhog who said the ONLY reason for the Tonys was marketing. | |
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| re: I agree with you | |
| Posted by: ryhog 09:13 pm EST 02/21/21 | |
| In reply to: I agree with you - KingSpeed 06:57 pm EST 02/21/21 | |
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| "I was disagreeing with ryhog who said the ONLY reason for the Tonys was marketing." I never said that and I never would. What I said is that, were it not for the marketing opportunity, the Tonys (as we know them over the last half century) would not exist. |
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| re: I agree with you | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 12:25 am EST 02/22/21 | |
| In reply to: re: I agree with you - ryhog 09:13 pm EST 02/21/21 | |
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| That’s not what you said. | |
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| re: I agree with you | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 08:10 pm EST 02/21/21 | |
| In reply to: I agree with you - KingSpeed 06:57 pm EST 02/21/21 | |
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| That's not the message that I've been getting from what ryhog has been sharing. I don't think he's saying that marketing is the only reason the Tonys are happening, but that marketing is a primary driver of WHEN they are happening.. and perhaps that viewpoint exposes the ugly truth that for the Broadway League, marketing truly is everything. But it is too late in the day for us to be surprised that money and commerce matters on Broadway, as opposed to art and artists. | |
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| Here are ryhog’s exact words: | |
| Last Edit: KingSpeed 12:27 am EST 02/22/21 | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 12:25 am EST 02/22/21 | |
| In reply to: re: I agree with you - Singapore/Fling 08:10 pm EST 02/21/21 | |
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“But, let's try to remember: :-) 1. The modern Tonys exist for one and only one reason: marketing. “ There you have it. |
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| which you refuse to read correctly per my explanation | |
| Posted by: ryhog 09:08 am EST 02/22/21 | |
| In reply to: Here are ryhog’s exact words: - KingSpeed 12:25 am EST 02/22/21 | |
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| This is getting silly. Why do you refuse to process what I have written? The modern Tonys [meaning those produced on a national TV broadcast, with lots of production, as opposed to the earlier ones that were essentially private affairs] exist only for one reason, because there is a big payoff in marketing. The League and its members would not spend the millions of dollars otherwise. But that has to do with causation, not some other reading of my words that you seem obsessed with. I have made my meaning clear. |
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| re: Try to remember: Will Tony ballots test the voters' powers of recollection? | |
| Posted by: ryhog 02:10 pm EST 02/21/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Try to remember: Will Tony ballots test the voters' powers of recollection? - Singapore/Fling 01:42 pm EST 02/21/21 | |
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| There are, I think, awards that have no commercial angle. As an example, I think one would be hard pressed to find a commercial connection in the awarding of the Pulitzer Prize for Drama. But the Tonys would not have been on CBS for the last x years without the League and its members footing the bill. And in the absence of that, the Tony awards would not have the stature that they do. (There would be no EGOTs, just EGOs. :-) ) Compare, for example, the Bessie Awards. | |
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| re: Try to remember: Will Tony ballots test the voters' powers of recollection? | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 02:21 pm EST 02/21/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Try to remember: Will Tony ballots test the voters' powers of recollection? - ryhog 02:10 pm EST 02/21/21 | |
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| I broadly agree, in that we have awards that lie outside of these industries or aren't awarded by the commercial heads of those industries. Though the Pulitzer Prize for Drama is an offshoot of an industry award that does exists to push the work of journalists and newspapers... and that seems all the more important in this day and age. | |
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| re: Try to remember: Will Tony ballots test the voters' powers of recollection? | |
| Posted by: ryhog 02:59 pm EST 02/21/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Try to remember: Will Tony ballots test the voters' powers of recollection? - Singapore/Fling 02:21 pm EST 02/21/21 | |
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| I would distinguish it because the award does not even indirectly push the work of journalism, and of course journalism does not have any economic interest in which work gets the award. But we disgress :-) | |
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