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| Chicago Tribune: Requiring proof of a vaccine to get into a show in Chicago? | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 05:48 pm EST 03/05/21 | |
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| Per an article by Chris Jones in yesterday's paper. Sounds like it may happen, although the details are pretty sketchy. A lot of objections from the extreme left and extreme right. Although when extremists on both sides of the spectrum are against something, moderates generally embrace it. Chicago ain't New York. Hopefully we will see theatre re-open in Chicago this fall (one way or another). |
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| New York as well. | |
| Posted by: Ncassidine 06:12 pm EST 03/05/21 | |
| In reply to: Chicago Tribune: Requiring proof of a vaccine to get into a show in Chicago? - BroadwayTonyJ 05:48 pm EST 03/05/21 | |
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| This is happening here in New York as well, as announced this week. Venues can open April 2, and can have 100 people if they don't require proof, 150 if they do. I'm happy to show them my proof, but hope people aren't going to try to fake a card to get in. | |
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| re: New York as well. | |
| Posted by: ryhog 08:21 pm EST 03/05/21 | |
| In reply to: New York as well. - Ncassidine 06:12 pm EST 03/05/21 | |
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| This is a work in progress and will be refined. The Excelsior Pass is the pilot program for this, and it is app based. You can look it up for details. Requiring proof and then having cheats is not a major issue in the short run because the increase to 150 is based on giving on-site tests. (Also remember that it is the lesser of 150 or 33%, so this would not even come into play for venues over 300. A venue would be stupid to risk closure and fines, and larger ones are less likely to be stupid, not to mention that most venues will never do the tests so they will be limited to 100. It is not based on vaccination at present. By the time we get to that point, it will be hardwired into apps and easily verified. | |
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| Link for that? | |
| Posted by: wizrdofoz27 06:35 pm EST 03/05/21 | |
| In reply to: New York as well. - Ncassidine 06:12 pm EST 03/05/21 | |
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| I have read the 100/150 difference depends on whether they can test everyone, not on whether they require proof of vaccination. I probably don't need to point this out, and I'm all for something like SNL setting aside some of its tickets for healthcare workers, but making events "vaccinated only" on April 2 would clearly discriminate against the many people who may not yet be eligible to receive any vaccine or able to schedule an appointment. |
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| Link | Here's a link saying 150 is if they're testing, not requiring vaccination |
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| Is everyone getting a card. | |
| Posted by: dramedy 06:30 pm EST 03/05/21 | |
| In reply to: New York as well. - Ncassidine 06:12 pm EST 03/05/21 | |
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| Is that the second dose appointment card? I haven’t heard of anyone getting an official vaccination card (like one does for yellow fever vaccine). If the card is for second shot, J&J doesn’t require that. | |
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| re: Is everyone getting a card. | |
| Posted by: Page 08:00 am EST 03/07/21 | |
| In reply to: Is everyone getting a card. - dramedy 06:30 pm EST 03/05/21 | |
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| Early yesterday afternoon I received my COVID-19 Johnson & Johnson one dose vaccination. I was given a COVID-19 Vaccination Record Card showing Product Name/Manufacturer Lot Number, Date, Healthcare Professional or Clinic Site. |
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| At your first appointment, yes. nmi | |
| Posted by: Ncassidine 09:43 pm EST 03/05/21 | |
| In reply to: Is everyone getting a card. - dramedy 06:30 pm EST 03/05/21 | |
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| re: Is everyone getting a card. | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 06:41 pm EST 03/05/21 | |
| In reply to: Is everyone getting a card. - dramedy 06:30 pm EST 03/05/21 | |
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| For the 1st dose, I got the following: CDC COVID-19 Vaccination Record Card It notes the date of the first vaccination w/ the healthcare person's initials. I must bring the card with me when I get the second dose in 2 weeks. It's an official card printed on 10PT SBS (I'm a former paper salesman), but it can be easily forged. The Tribune article says that the proposed vaccine passport will be made via "various technologies, schemes, and entrepreneurial ideas". |
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| isn't the a possibility someone gets the 1st dose but not the 2nd? why give a card at the 1st? | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 01:08 pm EST 03/07/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Is everyone getting a card. - BroadwayTonyJ 06:41 pm EST 03/05/21 | |
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| I don't understand the logic of giving someone a card saying they were vaccinated when they've only had half the vaccine... despite how unlikely it is, I'm sure it still happens sometimes through any number of circumstances or personal decisions, and the point is it *can* happen. Given how big of an impact this virus has had on our culture and economy, you'd think they'd have a clear piece of proof given for each dose to every person who gets it. |
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| re: isn't the a possibility someone gets the 1st dose but not the 2nd? why give a card at the 1st? | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 04:36 pm EST 03/07/21 | |
| In reply to: isn't the a possibility someone gets the 1st dose but not the 2nd? why give a card at the 1st? - Chazwaza 01:08 pm EST 03/07/21 | |
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| At the hospital I went to, you can't receive the 2nd dose without the card, which verifies you did receive the 1st dose. The card is not intended to be a vaccine passport. The Tribune article I cited has nothing to do with the CDC card, which can easily be forged. Supposedly (according to the article), some technology is in the works to come up with a way to verify full vaccination if that is required for admittance to a Chicago theater. |
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| re: isn't the a possibility someone gets the 1st dose but not the 2nd? why give a card at the 1st? | |
| Posted by: ryhog 01:26 pm EST 03/07/21 | |
| In reply to: isn't the a possibility someone gets the 1st dose but not the 2nd? why give a card at the 1st? - Chazwaza 01:08 pm EST 03/07/21 | |
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| The reason for giving the card at the first dose is because not everyone goes back to the same place, and not everyone got the same brand. Likewise, not everyone goes back and yet the first dose provides more than "half" of the effectiveness of the vaccine. There is a "clear piece of proof given for each dose." The actual proof is retained by the giver of the shots, and in due course there will be a reliable system for proof but you wouldn't want them to wait to dispense until they have all the details worked out, would you? |
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| re: isn't the a possibility someone gets the 1st dose but not the 2nd? why give a card at the 1st? | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 03:13 pm EST 03/07/21 | |
| In reply to: re: isn't the a possibility someone gets the 1st dose but not the 2nd? why give a card at the 1st? - ryhog 01:26 pm EST 03/07/21 | |
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| I wasn't at all saying that. I'm saying there should be a system of proof of full vaccine given to people who've had it. Since the proof being used seems to be, or be assumed to be, these cards... that's not a very fool proof system. Quite a lot of people have been vaccinated... why is there more due course needed? Wouldn't it have been cleaner to figure this out before people had started getting vaccinated? |
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| re: isn't the a possibility someone gets the 1st dose but not the 2nd? why give a card at the 1st? | |
| Last Edit: ryhog 03:37 pm EST 03/07/21 | |
| Posted by: ryhog 03:33 pm EST 03/07/21 | |
| In reply to: re: isn't the a possibility someone gets the 1st dose but not the 2nd? why give a card at the 1st? - Chazwaza 03:13 pm EST 03/07/21 | |
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| "I'm saying there should be a system of proof of full vaccine given to people who've had it."[There is: the card you get when you get the vaccine.] "Since the proof being used seems to be, or be assumed to be, these cards... that's not a very fool proof system." [For now, it does not need to be more. There is nothing yet for which a person needs the proof other than to have a record of what they got, and perhaps to provide that info to a health care provider. We are not letting people in places based on the documentation cards, because we are not yet using vaccination as an entry requirement for anything. Before we reach that stage, the system will be up and running. Patience is a virtue.] "Quite a lot of people have been vaccinated... why is there more due course needed?" [Because a full proof system requires testing and testing and more testing, which is exactly what is being done.] "Wouldn't it have been cleaner to figure this out before people had started getting vaccinated?" [So are you staying that we should have just let people keep dying until we have the system of proof that meets your satisfaction? Because that's what you are saying.] |
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| re: isn't the a possibility someone gets the 1st dose but not the 2nd? why give a card at the 1st? | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 07:07 pm EST 03/07/21 | |
| In reply to: re: isn't the a possibility someone gets the 1st dose but not the 2nd? why give a card at the 1st? - ryhog 03:33 pm EST 03/07/21 | |
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| Your sense of what i might have meant is so morbidly and awfully askew that i feel like i'd be insulting myself to even respond to this. | |
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| re: isn't the a possibility someone gets the 1st dose but not the 2nd? why give a card at the 1st? | |
| Last Edit: ryhog 07:43 pm EST 03/07/21 | |
| Posted by: ryhog 07:42 pm EST 03/07/21 | |
| In reply to: re: isn't the a possibility someone gets the 1st dose but not the 2nd? why give a card at the 1st? - Chazwaza 07:07 pm EST 03/07/21 | |
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| ok :-) | |
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| Sorry to correct | |
| Posted by: dramedy 04:16 pm EST 03/07/21 | |
| In reply to: re: isn't the a possibility someone gets the 1st dose but not the 2nd? why give a card at the 1st? - ryhog 03:33 pm EST 03/07/21 | |
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| But I believe it is foolproof and not full-proof. I had to look it up to see I’ve have misspelled it. Someone at work pointed out my misspelling of bases vs basis in a sentence that went out to lots of people on Friday. | |
| Link | https://grammarist.com/usage/foolproof/ |
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| never be sorry about being right | |
| Posted by: ryhog 04:37 pm EST 03/07/21 | |
| In reply to: Sorry to correct - dramedy 04:16 pm EST 03/07/21 | |
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| I was so caught up in "proof of full" vaccination that it went to my head. What kind of fool am I? :-) |
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| re: never be sorry about being right | |
| Posted by: sirpupnyc 05:24 pm EST 03/07/21 | |
| In reply to: never be sorry about being right - ryhog 04:37 pm EST 03/07/21 | |
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| Claim you meant "a full system of proof," which is how I read it. :) | |
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| re: Why give a card at the 1st? | |
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| Posted by: SuzanneR 03:31 pm EST 03/07/21 | |
| In reply to: re: isn't the a possibility someone gets the 1st dose but not the 2nd? why give a card at the 1st? - Chazwaza 03:13 pm EST 03/07/21 | |
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| Each dose is validated separately. If you don’t go back for the second dose, the card shows that you only had the first dose. | |
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| re: Is everyone getting a card. | |
| Posted by: mikem 09:42 pm EST 03/05/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Is everyone getting a card. - BroadwayTonyJ 06:41 pm EST 03/05/21 | |
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| I guess it was thought it was not worth the trouble to do any kind of anti-counterfeiting measures, but the card could not be any easier to forge (especially now that BroadwayTonyJ has told us which card stock to use! ;) But I'm not sure I agree with that choice. I think that the card may become a gateway to some activities in the near future. | |
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| re: Is everyone getting a card. | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 10:05 pm EST 03/05/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Is everyone getting a card. - mikem 09:42 pm EST 03/05/21 | |
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| I would imagine that each hospital would be using whatever card stock is available to them -- it's not intended to be forge-proof. It doesn't really matter. If the Chicago venues decide to go the vaccine passport route, the documentation will most likely be something that will be sent to the vaccinated person's cell phone. | |
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| re: Is everyone getting a card. | |
| Posted by: Huss417 06:25 pm EST 03/06/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Is everyone getting a card. - BroadwayTonyJ 10:05 pm EST 03/05/21 | |
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| Had my first dose at Walgreens and all they gave me was a receipt and the info on the shot. Have second shot at the end of the month. What should I ask them for? Thanks. |
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| A receipt? I thought it was free. | |
| Posted by: dramedy 04:19 pm EST 03/07/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Is everyone getting a card. - Huss417 06:25 pm EST 03/06/21 | |
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| I’m surprised at all the responses with people having gotten the vaccine already. CA is truly three hours behind the times. | |
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| re: A receipt? I thought it was free. | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 07:12 pm EST 03/07/21 | |
| In reply to: A receipt? I thought it was free. - dramedy 04:19 pm EST 03/07/21 | |
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| I'm 72, which made me eligible. However, where I live (near Chicago in Cook County) it's harder to get a vaccination appointment than it was to get a standing room ticket for Hamilton on Broadway. Fortunately for me, my doctor's practice is in a rural area of Illinois about an hour from where I live so I had no problem. So far my partner (who is younger than I am) can't get a straight answer from anyone about getting vaccinated. |
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| re: A receipt? I thought it was free. | |
| Posted by: ryhog 04:48 pm EST 03/07/21 | |
| In reply to: A receipt? I thought it was free. - dramedy 04:19 pm EST 03/07/21 | |
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| It is free but I guess the drug store has to run it through the register to keep track (kind of like a prescription with $0 copay still gets you a receipt). As I understand it, if you have insurance, the drug store can bill a dispensing fee (which is small), but if you don't have insurance, it's covered by the state (at least in NY). | |
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| re: A receipt? I thought it was free. | |
| Posted by: Huss417 05:56 pm EST 03/07/21 | |
| In reply to: re: A receipt? I thought it was free. - ryhog 04:48 pm EST 03/07/21 | |
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| The store receipt shows the RX number for the vaccine and the price of 0.00. It also says "your insurance saved you $2.59. | |
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| re: A receipt? I thought it was free. | |
| Posted by: ryhog 06:30 pm EST 03/07/21 | |
| In reply to: re: A receipt? I thought it was free. - Huss417 05:56 pm EST 03/07/21 | |
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| I assume that is the dispensing fee. I also assume the drug store is getting some compensation from the govt beyond that. On a semi-unrelated note, I read (maybe in a tweet from our fallen-star governor) that 12 million New Yorkers are currently eligible for the vaccine. That's interesting for a couple of reasons. First, it reflects how many eligible people have not been vaccinated yet, and second it means that there are only about 3-4 million more adults to be come eligible. I think I also read that another wave of eligibles are coming online soon. |
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| Posted by: larry13 08:24 pm EST 03/06/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Is everyone getting a card. - Huss417 06:25 pm EST 03/06/21 | |
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| Walgreens gave me the card after my first dose without me even asking about it. I'd suggest calling them/stopping by now, even before you go for the second shot. | |
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| re: Is everyone getting a card. | |
| Posted by: Huss417 12:02 pm EST 03/07/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Is everyone getting a card. - larry13 08:24 pm EST 03/06/21 | |
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| Thanks. I called and pharmacist said they will give it to me when I get the second dose. Everyone else I now know has received the card after the first dose. |
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| re: Is everyone getting a card. | |
| Posted by: larry13 03:57 pm EST 03/07/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Is everyone getting a card. - Huss417 12:02 pm EST 03/07/21 | |
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| Good. Now, not to unduly worry you, but the problem I had--and several other people I know of who got the vaccine at Walgreens/Duane Reade(in NYC)is this: nothing to do with getting the card but with making sure you get the same vaccine(Pfizer or Moderna)for the second shot that you got the first time. Even IF you're scheduled for the same store--and many people are scheduled for a different Walgreens/Duane Reade for the second--this chain is not administering the program well at all. By the time of the second dose, the specific pharmacy may have gotten only the other vaccine and may or may not be helpful at scheduling you for a pharmacy which will have your correct vaccine for the day(or soon after)you're scheduled for your second shot. I urge everyone getting the vaccine at Walgreens/Duane Reade to personally keep on top of this from soon after the first shot and definitely in the week leading up to the date of the second to be sure they have an app't. for the right vaccine. |
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| re: Is everyone getting a card. | |
| Posted by: Huss417 05:47 pm EST 03/07/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Is everyone getting a card. - larry13 03:57 pm EST 03/07/21 | |
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| Thanks for the heads up. Will be the first question I ask. | |
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| re: Is everyone getting a card. | |
| Last Edit: Ann 07:11 pm EST 03/06/21 | |
| Posted by: Ann 07:04 pm EST 03/06/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Is everyone getting a card. - Huss417 06:25 pm EST 03/06/21 | |
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| If you Google the phrase cdc covid shot record card, then click to see images, you'll see examples of the card | |
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| re: Is everyone getting a card. | |
| Posted by: tandelor 09:49 am EST 03/07/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Is everyone getting a card. - Ann 07:04 pm EST 03/06/21 | |
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| And everyone take a photo of your card with your phone to be safe. I hear talk of a COVID vaccine passport coming and even State Drivers Licenses. | |
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| re: Is everyone getting a card. Ann...? | |
| Posted by: lordofspeech 08:13 pm EST 03/08/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Is everyone getting a card. - tandelor 09:49 am EST 03/07/21 | |
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| Dear Ann: I must register this clarification and disclaimer. Vaccine is a euphemism that has been bruited about. In fact, what we’re talking about is an experimental mRNA injection which is not approved by the FDA except as an emergency measure. These chatterings all presume unscientifically, erring on the popular side of Fauci and the World Health Organization. Such presumption might encourage people who are younger than 80 or 70 to take the injection, despite the disease’s 99.8 percent mortality rate and the available treatments which have emerged. I understand there is a fervent belief that these injections are imperative for theatres to re-open. This is not fact. It’s simply hypothesis from media reportings on government authorities and medical administrators. We may already be far safer than we were told or have thought. I am not a covid-denier. But I never stayed home from the theatre to avoid tuberculosis, which was always a greater risk than this. |
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| re: Is everyone getting a card. Ann...? | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 09:28 pm EST 03/08/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Is everyone getting a card. Ann...? - lordofspeech 08:13 pm EST 03/08/21 | |
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| C'mon, dude! Over 525,000 people in this country have died of covid-19 in a little over 12 months. Everyone needs to take it seriously if we ever want to get back to some sense of normalcy. | |
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| re: Is everyone getting a card. Ann...? | |
| Posted by: Ann 09:04 pm EST 03/08/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Is everyone getting a card. Ann...? - lordofspeech 08:13 pm EST 03/08/21 | |
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| You're on your own for this one. | |
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| TYPO correction | |
| Posted by: lordofspeech 09:03 pm EST 03/08/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Is everyone getting a card. Ann...? - lordofspeech 08:13 pm EST 03/08/21 | |
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| Oops. I meant 99.8 percent recovery rate. For the above. Oops. | |
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| Also note the travel changes just coming in with vaccination cards | |
| Last Edit: Leon_W 03:55 am EST 03/06/21 | |
| Posted by: Leon_W 03:49 am EST 03/06/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Is everyone getting a card. - BroadwayTonyJ 10:05 pm EST 03/05/21 | |
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| For New York State now if you have had your second shot you don’t need to follow the test and quarantine rules for 90 days after your second shot. They say “That means if at least three months have passed since your second shot, you will still need to test and quarantine. This policy is a reflection of the lack of data around how long vaccine-related immunity will last.” This policy was announced this week. Many States are changing their rules right now based on the proof of vaccination we are discussing, Illinois for example are saying that two weeks after your second dose from that point on you do not need to follow their test or questing rules for entry. They do not as far as I can see specify a maximum period it applies. It varies by State and obviously still social distance and wear a mask etc |
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| re: Also note the travel changes just coming in with vaccination cards | |
| Posted by: singleticket 01:57 pm EST 03/06/21 | |
| In reply to: Also note the travel changes just coming in with vaccination cards - Leon_W 03:49 am EST 03/06/21 | |
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| “That means if at least three months have passed since your second shot, you will still need to test and quarantine. This policy is a reflection of the lack of data around how long vaccine-related immunity will last.” That is news to me. Very sobering. |
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| re: Also note the travel changes just coming in with vaccination cards | |
| Posted by: Ann 02:20 pm EST 03/06/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Also note the travel changes just coming in with vaccination cards - singleticket 01:57 pm EST 03/06/21 | |
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| It's not to me, at least not yet. As posted, "This policy is a reflection of the lack of data around how long vaccine-related immunity will last.” They will be learning more over the next few months and they will later be able to provide guidelines based on data. I'm sure they're being very cautious, not knowing exactly what the vaccine immunity is. | |
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| re: Also note the travel changes just coming in with vaccination cards | |
| Posted by: singleticket 02:22 pm EST 03/06/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Also note the travel changes just coming in with vaccination cards - Ann 02:20 pm EST 03/06/21 | |
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| I guess the good news is we will be finding out sooner rather than later what the data is on how long vaccine-related immunity lasts. | |
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| Yes that’s what I got | |
| Posted by: Leon_W 07:30 pm EST 03/05/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Is everyone getting a card. - BroadwayTonyJ 06:41 pm EST 03/05/21 | |
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| Had my first dose at the Jarvits Center yesterday and got that CDC Vaccine Record Card. | |
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| re: Is everyone getting a card. | |
| Posted by: Deirdre 07:08 pm EST 03/05/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Is everyone getting a card. - BroadwayTonyJ 06:41 pm EST 03/05/21 | |
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| I got my first dose of Pfizer today and I just got a piece of paper to bring back. It hardly looks official. | |
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| Posted by: kieran 07:44 pm EST 03/05/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Is everyone getting a card. - Deirdre 07:08 pm EST 03/05/21 | |
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| I got a Vaccination Record Card with a CDC insignia. | |
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| Same here nm | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 12:32 am EST 03/06/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Is everyone getting a card. - kieran 07:44 pm EST 03/05/21 | |
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| I got the same (nm) | |
| Posted by: MockingbirdGirl 06:44 pm EST 03/05/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Is everyone getting a card. - BroadwayTonyJ 06:41 pm EST 03/05/21 | |
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