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| A great NY Times column by Laura Collins-Hughes "Where is Hollywood when Broadway needs it?" | |
| Posted by: Billhaven 01:47 pm EST 03/10/21 | |
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| There has been a failure of leadership among top film and TV stars. Where have they been? Along with top producers who have not been visible to help with this unprecedented emergency. | |
| Link | https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/10/theater/hollywood-broadway-aid.html |
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| re: A great NY Times column by Laura Collins-Hughes "Where is Hollywood when Broadway needs it?" | |
| Posted by: claploudly 09:42 am EST 03/11/21 | |
| In reply to: A great NY Times column by Laura Collins-Hughes "Where is Hollywood when Broadway needs it?" - Billhaven 01:47 pm EST 03/10/21 | |
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| We must also keep in mind that many of these stars during the pandemic have very possibly been donating QUIETLY to organization such as The Actors Fund, BC/EFA, Equity, etc. because they don't want publicity for their generosity. I personally know of several. | |
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| re: A great NY Times column by Laura Collins-Hughes "Where is Hollywood when Broadway needs it?" | |
| Posted by: Billhaven 12:59 pm EST 03/11/21 | |
| In reply to: re: A great NY Times column by Laura Collins-Hughes "Where is Hollywood when Broadway needs it?" - claploudly 09:42 am EST 03/11/21 | |
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| But one of the pints of the article is the paucity of LEADERSHIP within the film and TV world. Folks who will promote and encourage arts spending not just give private contributions. Jeremy Harris has been very vocal on talk shows and in interviews about arts support. And he tied ii into his HBO deal. Here’s a playwright with newly found fame using it to be an arts advocate. | |
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| I guess I’m in the minority... | |
| Last Edit: ShowGoer 10:21 pm EST 03/10/21 | |
| Posted by: ShowGoer 10:20 pm EST 03/10/21 | |
| In reply to: A great NY Times column by Laura Collins-Hughes "Where is Hollywood when Broadway needs it?" - Billhaven 01:47 pm EST 03/10/21 | |
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| ...that I don’t think it’s that great a column. There’s very little said here that hasn’t been said elsewhere, sooner, and/or better. But I guess I generally don’t think she’s that great a writer- others can feel free to disagree. (She is DEFINITELY not a good critic, and that’s something I’d go to the mat fighting anybody on. There’s a reason she’s never gotten a permanent slot writing as a full-time critic at the Times - and it isn’t sexism, either. Just from the ranks of female theatre reviewers, almost every single other one I can think of in recent memory - Roma Torre, Alexis Soloski, Elisabeth Vincentelli, Melissa Rose Bernardo, Helen Shaw, Marilyn Stasio, etc., all leave her in their dust. We should have more women critics, frankly- but not her, no thanks.) |
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| re: A great NY Times column by Laura Collins-Hughes "Where is Hollywood when Broadway needs it?" | |
| Last Edit: singleticket 08:14 pm EST 03/10/21 | |
| Posted by: singleticket 08:05 pm EST 03/10/21 | |
| In reply to: A great NY Times column by Laura Collins-Hughes "Where is Hollywood when Broadway needs it?" - Billhaven 01:47 pm EST 03/10/21 | |
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| One plus of the pandemic has been a break from the American pathology of star worship which reached peak excrescence with the Celebrity Presidency. | |
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| The uk have their royals | |
| Posted by: dramedy 08:15 pm EST 03/10/21 | |
| In reply to: re: A great NY Times column by Laura Collins-Hughes "Where is Hollywood when Broadway needs it?" - singleticket 08:05 pm EST 03/10/21 | |
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| And I’ve been reading a bit of press lately about some woman named Kim getting a divorce from her 2020 candidate husband. I don’t see any change of star status. I think Schwarzenegger would have run for president if he could. Unfortunately trump is not gone and still has a strong hold in the Republican Party. I’m not sure where you think star power worship is gone in politics or in general. |
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| re: A great NY Times column by Laura Collins-Hughes "Where is Hollywood when Broadway needs it?" | |
| Last Edit: BroadwayTonyJ 06:32 pm EST 03/10/21 | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 06:29 pm EST 03/10/21 | |
| In reply to: A great NY Times column by Laura Collins-Hughes "Where is Hollywood when Broadway needs it?" - Billhaven 01:47 pm EST 03/10/21 | |
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| Leadership needed to come from the administration before the pandemic got out of control. If Clinton had been elected and was given the information in January that Trump had, I would like to believe the whole pandemic could have been handled. A short lockdown of 3 weeks, followed by a consistent masking, social distancing, hand washing message, could have contained the virus and kept deaths at a much lower level. Hell, Japan did it, so did Canada, Germany, New Zealand, and others. Then the film and TV stars would have come forward to do their bit. The deep political divisions in the country are very disturbing and are so counterproductive. I'm still concerned that enough people will refuse vaccination and we won't be able to reach herd immunity. Fauci has said we need 70 to 90%. If the magic number is 70%, it's probably doable. But what if the new strains cause the vaccines to be a little less effective and 90% is needed? That could be a huge challenge. |
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| re: A great NY Times column by Laura Collins-Hughes "Where is Hollywood when Broadway needs it?" | |
| Posted by: Billhaven 07:01 pm EST 03/10/21 | |
| In reply to: re: A great NY Times column by Laura Collins-Hughes "Where is Hollywood when Broadway needs it?" - BroadwayTonyJ 06:29 pm EST 03/10/21 | |
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| I think it was very clear from the beginning that the previous administration had NO INTEREST in the arts even before the crisis. They were not going to take the lead. The article faults the huge amount of creativity and capital in the film and television world that could have rallied to the cause of artists across the country. Regional theater, off Broadway and arts training have been the life blood of film and television for decades. Half the television writers and show runners began as off and off off broadway playwrights. These theaters and training program have been the "farm teams' supplying the major talent. | |
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| I was surprised by the Woodward tapes | |
| Posted by: dramedy 06:43 pm EST 03/10/21 | |
| In reply to: re: A great NY Times column by Laura Collins-Hughes "Where is Hollywood when Broadway needs it?" - BroadwayTonyJ 06:29 pm EST 03/10/21 | |
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| That trump knew how bad this virus potentially could be in January and then lied to the public. I gave the administration a lot of leeway that they didn’t know and it got out of control before they could do anything. But the tapes were a game changer for me. But without the vaccine, I doubt that theaters really would have opened by now. It seems sketchy in most countries what is open now as far as I can tell. I find it interesting that the Swedish approach of let it happen didnt work either with herd immunity. | |
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| The Swedish Approach to Covid | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 05:22 pm EST 03/11/21 | |
| In reply to: I was surprised by the Woodward tapes - dramedy 06:43 pm EST 03/10/21 | |
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| The Swedish approach has not achieved herd immunity yet, although it may do so when combined with the number of vaccinations they do in the next few months. They are a relatively small country with a people who are far less divisive that we are. However, their approach has come at a very high price, although their death rate has not been quite as bad as ours or the Brits. There population is about 1/35 the size of the U.S. 13,088 actual deaths x 34,507 = 451,628 |
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| re: I was surprised by the Woodward tapes | |
| Posted by: Roman 11:24 pm EST 03/10/21 | |
| In reply to: I was surprised by the Woodward tapes - dramedy 06:43 pm EST 03/10/21 | |
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| There was nothing surprising about those tapes. At all. | |
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| re: I was surprised by the Woodward tapes | |
| Last Edit: BroadwayTonyJ 07:36 pm EST 03/10/21 | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 07:36 pm EST 03/10/21 | |
| In reply to: I was surprised by the Woodward tapes - dramedy 06:43 pm EST 03/10/21 | |
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| Any responsible president (Democrat or Republican) after getting the January info would have banned incoming flights from Europe and Asia almost immediately. U.S. citizens returning from abroad could have been quarantined in boats. Two years earlier Trump had disbanded the task force and playbook that been developed by previous administrations to deal with pandemics. Japan is a large country, although not as big as we are. They've had 8359 deaths with roughly 1/3 of our population. So 8359 x 3 = 25,000 total deaths. We are richer and have more resources and yet we have 525,000 deaths. |
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| "It turns out that the American theater has no towering figure even attempting to lead it through this crisis, the way Andrew Lloyd Webber has in Britain. " | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 04:14 pm EST 03/10/21 | |
| In reply to: A great NY Times column by Laura Collins-Hughes "Where is Hollywood when Broadway needs it?" - Billhaven 01:47 pm EST 03/10/21 | |
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| I wish she meant that ironically, but I think not. There are some very good points in her article, but this sentence made my jaw drop. | |
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| Does the us have any billionaire producers? | |
| Last Edit: dramedy 07:57 pm EST 03/10/21 | |
| Posted by: dramedy 07:50 pm EST 03/10/21 | |
| In reply to: "It turns out that the American theater has no towering figure even attempting to lead it through this crisis, the way Andrew Lloyd Webber has in Britain. " - Michael_Portantiere 04:14 pm EST 03/10/21 | |
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| Most are organizations like the shuberts. Sondheim (not a producer) is worth $20m. Shockingly low considering how many landmark shows he has done and I don’t seem him as extravagant spender pissing away his money over the years. ALW is worth $1.2 billion. I can’t think of any broadway producers with even close to that capital. I did a search “ALW gives millions to actors” and the only thing that came up was $500k to actors fund made by broadcasting his taped shows. So there aren’t any articles of how he has helped out the theater folks by donating millions of his money that would be a very small percentage of his billion dollars. It’s all about opening theaters to make more money and the actors/crew will benefit with jobs at their own risk of health. If he really cared he would still be paying his casts (even a reduced amount) during shutdown to help the people survive that made him a billionaire | |
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| re: Does the us have any billionaire producers? | |
| Posted by: ryhog 09:25 am EST 03/11/21 | |
| In reply to: Does the us have any billionaire producers? - dramedy 07:50 pm EST 03/10/21 | |
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| First, assuming you mean active producers (as opposed to those mostly just dealing with money), no. Second, I don't know where you saw that as Sondheim's net worth, but it is patently wrong. (Depending on how and in what a person holds their net worth, it is not possible to superficially estimate reasonably.) Third, if you believe Forbes, ALW is not a billionaire. | |
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| re: Does the us have any billionaire producers? | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 06:48 pm EST 03/11/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Does the us have any billionaire producers? - ryhog 09:25 am EST 03/11/21 | |
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| How do you know Sondheim’s net worth? | |
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| re: Does the us have any billionaire producers? | |
| Posted by: ryhog 08:57 pm EST 03/11/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Does the us have any billionaire producers? - KingSpeed 06:48 pm EST 03/11/21 | |
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| I don't but I know it is significantly more than $20 million, just based on the value of the real property I know he owns and the value of his literary property that I am aware of (and that is likely pretty complete). I assume he has other assets but there is no need to snoop to recognize the wrongness of of the $20mil figure. It appears, from a different post, that Dramedy's "source" was google which in turn gave its answer based on a fairly bogus website called celebritynetworth.com, which for some reason seems to use $20million as the default for anyone they can't find info for. | |
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| re: Does the us have any billionaire producers? | |
| Posted by: JereNYC (JereNYC@aol.com) 02:51 pm EST 03/12/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Does the us have any billionaire producers? - ryhog 08:57 pm EST 03/11/21 | |
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| That's a good point. If Sondheim still own that townhouse on the east side (the one next door to Katharine Hepburn's former house), that itself could be worth $20M or more. | |
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| re: Does the us have any billionaire producers? | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 08:52 am EST 03/11/21 | |
| In reply to: Does the us have any billionaire producers? - dramedy 07:50 pm EST 03/10/21 | |
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| I’m sure Stephen Schwartz is worth what, 10 times that much. Montello too. I wonder how much Walter Bobbie is worth.. | |
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| $62m as of last year | |
| Posted by: dramedy 09:19 am EST 03/11/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Does the us have any billionaire producers? - KingSpeed 08:52 am EST 03/11/21 | |
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| For Schwartz. Bobbie is $35m. A Billion is a lot of money. | |
| Link | https://www.google.com/amp/s/wallmine.com/people/4241/stephen-s-schwartz.amp |
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| re: $62m as of last year | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 06:47 pm EST 03/11/21 | |
| In reply to: $62m as of last year - dramedy 09:19 am EST 03/11/21 | |
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| Can’t believe what you read on internet but wow for Bobbie. He directed a concert. Amazing. | |
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| He’s probably wrong person | |
| Posted by: dramedy 10:06 am EST 03/11/21 | |
| In reply to: $62m as of last year - dramedy 09:19 am EST 03/11/21 | |
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| This says $10m which does seem low for wicked composer. But even with the success of that musical, it’s a few million a year for 4% or so of the gross. Broadway has made $1.3b in sales and that’s about $52m as composer/lyrist. Multiple by several productions is a lot but not a billion. | |
| Link | https://www.idolnetworth.com/stephen-schwartz-net-worth-186357 |
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| re: "It turns out that the American theater has no towering figure even attempting to lead it through this crisis, the way Andrew Lloyd Webber has in Britain. " | |
| Posted by: lordofspeech 05:58 pm EST 03/10/21 | |
| In reply to: "It turns out that the American theater has no towering figure even attempting to lead it through this crisis, the way Andrew Lloyd Webber has in Britain. " - Michael_Portantiere 04:14 pm EST 03/10/21 | |
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| We probably need vision and daring more even than money. But many think that New York has been hit most hard by mindless compliance to both unexamined science and the extremity of its lockdown policies. The lawsuit of restaurants against New York, with its forced re-examination of the faulty reasons behind lockdowns, was what forced Cuomo to open up again, however hesitantly. (I know it’s not just Cuomo; it’s the media mindset, too). Could theatres have sued to push back? Perhaps. But the theatre isn’t really a business like that. It’s a lot of empty warehouses waiting for product. If we still had a David Merrick who’d be willing to try something.... like the Barrington people tried....but there just hasn’t been a push. Even if a producer just revived something like LADY DAY with Audra and with distanced seating....something like that....get the ball rolling. But...New York is rather cowed, and some think the science doesn’t support it. Good for Webber for his daring. |
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| re: "It turns out that the American theater has no towering figure even attempting to lead it through this crisis, the way Andrew Lloyd Webber has in Britain. " | |
| Posted by: ryhog 06:54 pm EST 03/10/21 | |
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| You are wrong about just about everything. I will leave your anti-science shtick to someone else and will only address two points. New York has and continues to follow science, not threats. That lawsuit was impotent, a lawyer's grandstanding to try and pick up a bit of coin. ALW is a silly old man who also happens to be a dyed in the wool Tory and (maybe like you) cares more about money than human life. Trivia question: what country has a higher covid death toll per 100K? US or UK? |
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| "ALW is a silly old man who also happens to be a dyed in the wool Tory and (maybe like you) cares more about money than human life."-- What a despicable thing to say. | |
| Posted by: GavinLogan1 12:11 am EST 03/12/21 | |
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| I usually avoid this, but... You are an abrasive, abusive, rather ignorant person. You're a bully and it floors me that you're not censored and censured more on this page. Anyone who holds a different opinion than you is immediately berated, belittled, and denigrated by your acid tongue, and it's repugnant. Grow the h*ll up. |
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| re: "ALW is a silly old man who also happens to be a dyed in the wool Tory and (maybe like you) cares more about money than human life."-- What a despicable thing to say. | |
| Posted by: BHandshy 09:50 pm EDT 03/15/21 | |
| In reply to: "ALW is a silly old man who also happens to be a dyed in the wool Tory and (maybe like you) cares more about money than human life."-- What a despicable thing to say. - GavinLogan1 12:11 am EST 03/12/21 | |
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| You're my new best friend. : ) | |
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| In reply to: "ALW is a silly old man who also happens to be a dyed in the wool Tory and (maybe like you) cares more about money than human life."-- What a despicable thing to say. - GavinLogan1 12:11 am EST 03/12/21 | |
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| ALW has done his utmost to get the UK government to act and help the arts at a time when they need it most. He is not just a composer with a couple of shows running and a new one set to open. He also owns many of the major properties in the West End and has spent millions to ensure they are up to grade and, in most cases, renovated to enhance the audience experience - the things he is doing with the Drury Lane (where Frozen will open in the summer) look to be extraordinary. He is also a key funder to many arts programs including an amazing theatre college in my neighbourhood, ArtsEd. His passion for theatre (in terms of productions, education/opportunities and architecture) and relentless efforts to get the government to pay attention to an industry that is vital to the London/UK economy is, in my book, something to be respected and admired. |
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| "ALW is a silly old man who also happens to be a dyed in the wool Tory and (maybe like you) cares more about money than human life." | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 03:07 am EST 03/12/21 | |
| In reply to: "ALW is a silly old man who also happens to be a dyed in the wool Tory and (maybe like you) cares more about money than human life."-- What a despicable thing to say. - GavinLogan1 12:11 am EST 03/12/21 | |
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| Up until the last 3 to 4 weeks, the UK was experiencing over 1000 deaths per day. One week in early February they had as many as over 1400 deaths in a single day. They've gotten their daily rate down significantly in the last couple of weeks, but that's hardly definitive. They certainly have not beaten the virus yet. The science dictates that they should maintain the safety protocols that have worked at least for another 6 months or so -- too many lives are at sake. The UK like Japan, Australia, and New Zealand has an incredible advantage over every other developed nation in Europe and certainly over a country like the U.S. -- the UK is an island. If you compare the UK's overall death rate to the other island nations I mentioned (Japan, Australia, and New Zealand), their record is shockingly bad, worse than even that of the United States. Of course, ultimately that is the legacy of Boris Johnson, just like America's failure is the legacy of Donald Trump. However, I think ryhog's assessment is accurate -- Lloyd Webber is not a medical professional and has consistently been ignoring science. What he is advocating will cost lives. |
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| re: "ALW is a silly old man who also happens to be a dyed in the wool Tory and (maybe like you) cares more about money than human life." | |
| Posted by: ryhog 09:48 am EST 03/12/21 | |
| In reply to: "ALW is a silly old man who also happens to be a dyed in the wool Tory and (maybe like you) cares more about money than human life." - BroadwayTonyJ 03:07 am EST 03/12/21 | |
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| I see no need to apologize for characterizing what ALW wanted to do as attempted manslaughter. The only thing that separates him from his tang-infused buddy is that he did not have enough power to commit murder while reposing in the 5000 acres of safety at Sydmonton Court. | |
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| UK Covid-19 Death Rate -- Far Worse than USA | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 07:47 am EST 03/11/21 | |
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| Believe it or not, the UK has handled the covid situation far worse than the US has. UK deaths: 125,000 UK population is slightly more than 1/5 of the US 125,000 x 5.13 = 641,250 deaths Bruce Johnson and Lloyd Webber have done a worse job than Donald Trump (if you go by the death rate) |
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| re: "It turns out that the American theater has no towering figure even attempting to lead it through this crisis, the way Andrew Lloyd Webber has in Britain. " | |
| Posted by: Billhaven 07:04 pm EST 03/10/21 | |
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| The question the article asks is not about opening theaters before they can be open safely, but coming to the aid and support of artists and arts workers who are suffering and will continue to suffer for the foreseeable future. | |
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| re: "It turns out that the American theater has no towering figure even attempting to lead it through this crisis, the way Andrew Lloyd Webber has in Britain. " | |
| Posted by: ryhog 08:09 pm EST 03/10/21 | |
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| Understood. I was responding to a post that in turn was responding to a post about the quote in the subject line. ALW's "leadership" has consistently been to aid the theatre workers by reopening theatres before it is safe (and in ways that are horrifically unsafe in even more ways). Hence the reaction that the quote prompted for Michael (and me). Getting workers back to work by providing them unsafe jobs is quintessential Tory economics. I think the article has much that's good, other than that doozy. | |
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| re: "It turns out that the American theater has no towering figure even attempting to lead it through this crisis, the way Andrew Lloyd Webber has in Britain. " | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 11:45 pm EST 03/10/21 | |
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| "I was responding to a post that in turn was responding to a post about the quote in the subject line. ALW's "leadership" has consistently been to aid the theatre workers by reopening theatres before it is safe (and in ways that are horrifically unsafe in even more ways). Hence the reaction that the quote prompted for Michael (and me). Getting workers back to work by providing them unsafe jobs is quintessential Tory economics. I think the article has much that's good, other than that doozy." Thank you :-) |
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| re: "It turns out that the American theater has no towering figure even attempting to lead it through this crisis, the way Andrew Lloyd Webber has in Britain. " | |
| Posted by: NewtonUK 06:22 am EST 03/11/21 | |
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| I think we will learn a lot from UK theatre over the next few months. At this week's SOLT Forum we discussed the staggered reopening of London theatres, in various ways, starting Mat 17 and June 21, with projected full opening by September (always with the caveat that events on the ground may change this timetable). Good (and fair) deals around reopening have been in place with all of the West End unions for months (Theatre, Opera, and Ballet). Detailed protocols are in place for health and safety, created from government standards, not by Labor Unions Still without audiences, but the Berlin Philharmonic has been playing their full season at the Philharmonie, and streaming it world wide. I know many of my American colleagues will be astounded - but the orchestra members are still alive. The Vienna State Opera has streamed three productions live from their opera house - without audiences - and their orchestra and chorus and principals and stage hands and staff are all still alive. One of the vienna productions was a complex CARMEN by CAlixto Beito, new to Vienna, which had to be full rehearsed as well as performed. Not a problem Europe has protocols, and has had for many many months, which allow performers to perform live on stage - not 12 feet apart. And yet hysteria continues to abound in America. Why? |
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| Saturday Night Live has been broadcasting all year... | |
| Posted by: Pashacar 03:21 pm EDT 03/15/21 | |
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| From right in the middle of Manhattan, as one of many examples of similar entertainment still being produced and broadcast in America. I'm not sure where all of your misguided fury comes from, but maybe at least try to come with some basis in fact? |
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| In reply to: re: "It turns out that the American theater has no towering figure even attempting to lead it through this crisis, the way Andrew Lloyd Webber has in Britain. " - NewtonUK 06:22 am EST 03/11/21 | |
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| If you think the deals are fair, we can be assured that the artists and laborers are getting the poor end of the deal. But, hey, at least they get one day off a week! (And UK, at least, has health insurance.) Also, the experiences of film and TV production have proven to the American entertainment industry that there are reasonably safe ways of following Covid protocols and ensuring the safety of all involved. So no, Americans wouldn't be shocked to see that an orchestra can play music safely SO LONG AS THERE IS NOT AN AUDIENCE that might spread the disease. Ryhog hit some of the other points of nonsense very well. But whatever, keep ranting, we know who's really doing the planting. |
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| re: "It turns out that the American theater has no towering figure even attempting to lead it through this crisis, the way Andrew Lloyd Webber has in Britain. " | |
| Posted by: sirpupnyc 11:42 pm EST 03/11/21 | |
| In reply to: re: "It turns out that the American theater has no towering figure even attempting to lead it through this crisis, the way Andrew Lloyd Webber has in Britain. " - Singapore/Fling 10:14 pm EST 03/11/21 | |
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| an orchestra can play music safely SO LONG AS THERE IS NOT AN AUDIENCE And they're doing pieces for smaller ensembles, or chamber arrangements, or paring down from typical string sections. And spacing out the players in ways that would be difficult with an audience in the hall. I've heard a lot of concerts on BBC Radio 3, and they're all tossing out their planned programs to adapt. (And that's another difficulty for US ensembles: weak national/regional broadcasting. Even if our ensembles could reprogram and assemble to suit applicable guidelines, most have no guaranteed broadcast outlet and would be on their own for the technical aspects. Few have an existing apparatus to reach an audience outside their hall.) |
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| re: "It turns out that the American theater has no towering figure even attempting to lead it through this crisis, the way Andrew Lloyd Webber has in Britain. " | |
| Posted by: ryhog 09:05 am EST 03/11/21 | |
| In reply to: re: "It turns out that the American theater has no towering figure even attempting to lead it through this crisis, the way Andrew Lloyd Webber has in Britain. " - NewtonUK 06:22 am EST 03/11/21 | |
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| "hysteria continues to abound in America" No, it does not, and no, we will not learn a lot from the UK. What you seem to want to "learn" is based on notions external to Covid. 1. Reopening schedule: apples and oranges. We will of course have staggered reopening, but the idea of "full reopening" [assuming that you mean no theatre will be dark] by September is beyond naive for the simple reason that Broadway cannot fully return without tourists, whereas the West End can. 2. Union deals: apples and oranges. Two countries, two different sets of laws, two different bargaining positions. The topic of this thread is helping workers be safe and secure. Only if one wakes up every morning with anti-union bias could one think it is good (and fair) to superimpose some government mandate [is that really what you are saying?] on what labor unions can insist on in the protection of its members. 3. Live, audience-free performances: Apples and oranges. We have protocols in place for live performances without audiences (and even with limited audiences). That's not the reason we don't have them [and you know it]. Who is going to pay for these performances at the Met or Philharmonic? We do not have (meaningful and significant) government support for either institution. Have a look at the financial statements for the performances you mention if you really need this explained to you. 4. Protocols in place. See above. BTW we have no 12 foot rule. Next time, a few more demonstrable facts and a few less untethered fantasies would be a welcome innovation. |
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| I think the only show that might have worked is Six | |
| Posted by: dramedy 06:35 pm EST 03/10/21 | |
| In reply to: re: "It turns out that the American theater has no towering figure even attempting to lead it through this crisis, the way Andrew Lloyd Webber has in Britain. " - lordofspeech 05:58 pm EST 03/10/21 | |
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| Limited to 6 actors and small band on stage. Not sure how many people behind the scene, but there is no set or costume changes. I think it could have set up shop at Gershwin without moving wicked set and had 40% theater capacity or move to even larger city center theater without any stage issues. I would guess the weekly is rather low and that reduced capacity would still allow a profit. Very few other shows can do that. |
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