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| re: "It turns out that the American theater has no towering figure even attempting to lead it through this crisis, the way Andrew Lloyd Webber has in Britain. " | |
| Posted by: ryhog 06:54 pm EST 03/10/21 | |
| In reply to: re: "It turns out that the American theater has no towering figure even attempting to lead it through this crisis, the way Andrew Lloyd Webber has in Britain. " - lordofspeech 05:58 pm EST 03/10/21 | |
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| You are wrong about just about everything. I will leave your anti-science shtick to someone else and will only address two points. New York has and continues to follow science, not threats. That lawsuit was impotent, a lawyer's grandstanding to try and pick up a bit of coin. ALW is a silly old man who also happens to be a dyed in the wool Tory and (maybe like you) cares more about money than human life. Trivia question: what country has a higher covid death toll per 100K? US or UK? |
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| "ALW is a silly old man who also happens to be a dyed in the wool Tory and (maybe like you) cares more about money than human life."-- What a despicable thing to say. | |
| Posted by: GavinLogan1 12:11 am EST 03/12/21 | |
| In reply to: re: "It turns out that the American theater has no towering figure even attempting to lead it through this crisis, the way Andrew Lloyd Webber has in Britain. " - ryhog 06:54 pm EST 03/10/21 | |
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| I usually avoid this, but... You are an abrasive, abusive, rather ignorant person. You're a bully and it floors me that you're not censored and censured more on this page. Anyone who holds a different opinion than you is immediately berated, belittled, and denigrated by your acid tongue, and it's repugnant. Grow the h*ll up. |
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| re: "ALW is a silly old man who also happens to be a dyed in the wool Tory and (maybe like you) cares more about money than human life."-- What a despicable thing to say. | |
| Posted by: BHandshy 09:50 pm EDT 03/15/21 | |
| In reply to: "ALW is a silly old man who also happens to be a dyed in the wool Tory and (maybe like you) cares more about money than human life."-- What a despicable thing to say. - GavinLogan1 12:11 am EST 03/12/21 | |
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| You're my new best friend. : ) | |
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| re: I agree. | |
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| Posted by: bway1430 03:59 am EDT 03/14/21 | |
| In reply to: "ALW is a silly old man who also happens to be a dyed in the wool Tory and (maybe like you) cares more about money than human life."-- What a despicable thing to say. - GavinLogan1 12:11 am EST 03/12/21 | |
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| ALW has done his utmost to get the UK government to act and help the arts at a time when they need it most. He is not just a composer with a couple of shows running and a new one set to open. He also owns many of the major properties in the West End and has spent millions to ensure they are up to grade and, in most cases, renovated to enhance the audience experience - the things he is doing with the Drury Lane (where Frozen will open in the summer) look to be extraordinary. He is also a key funder to many arts programs including an amazing theatre college in my neighbourhood, ArtsEd. His passion for theatre (in terms of productions, education/opportunities and architecture) and relentless efforts to get the government to pay attention to an industry that is vital to the London/UK economy is, in my book, something to be respected and admired. |
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| "ALW is a silly old man who also happens to be a dyed in the wool Tory and (maybe like you) cares more about money than human life." | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 03:07 am EST 03/12/21 | |
| In reply to: "ALW is a silly old man who also happens to be a dyed in the wool Tory and (maybe like you) cares more about money than human life."-- What a despicable thing to say. - GavinLogan1 12:11 am EST 03/12/21 | |
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| Up until the last 3 to 4 weeks, the UK was experiencing over 1000 deaths per day. One week in early February they had as many as over 1400 deaths in a single day. They've gotten their daily rate down significantly in the last couple of weeks, but that's hardly definitive. They certainly have not beaten the virus yet. The science dictates that they should maintain the safety protocols that have worked at least for another 6 months or so -- too many lives are at sake. The UK like Japan, Australia, and New Zealand has an incredible advantage over every other developed nation in Europe and certainly over a country like the U.S. -- the UK is an island. If you compare the UK's overall death rate to the other island nations I mentioned (Japan, Australia, and New Zealand), their record is shockingly bad, worse than even that of the United States. Of course, ultimately that is the legacy of Boris Johnson, just like America's failure is the legacy of Donald Trump. However, I think ryhog's assessment is accurate -- Lloyd Webber is not a medical professional and has consistently been ignoring science. What he is advocating will cost lives. |
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| re: "ALW is a silly old man who also happens to be a dyed in the wool Tory and (maybe like you) cares more about money than human life." | |
| Posted by: ryhog 09:48 am EST 03/12/21 | |
| In reply to: "ALW is a silly old man who also happens to be a dyed in the wool Tory and (maybe like you) cares more about money than human life." - BroadwayTonyJ 03:07 am EST 03/12/21 | |
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| I see no need to apologize for characterizing what ALW wanted to do as attempted manslaughter. The only thing that separates him from his tang-infused buddy is that he did not have enough power to commit murder while reposing in the 5000 acres of safety at Sydmonton Court. | |
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| UK Covid-19 Death Rate -- Far Worse than USA | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 07:47 am EST 03/11/21 | |
| In reply to: re: "It turns out that the American theater has no towering figure even attempting to lead it through this crisis, the way Andrew Lloyd Webber has in Britain. " - ryhog 06:54 pm EST 03/10/21 | |
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| Believe it or not, the UK has handled the covid situation far worse than the US has. UK deaths: 125,000 UK population is slightly more than 1/5 of the US 125,000 x 5.13 = 641,250 deaths Bruce Johnson and Lloyd Webber have done a worse job than Donald Trump (if you go by the death rate) |
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| re: "It turns out that the American theater has no towering figure even attempting to lead it through this crisis, the way Andrew Lloyd Webber has in Britain. " | |
| Posted by: Billhaven 07:04 pm EST 03/10/21 | |
| In reply to: re: "It turns out that the American theater has no towering figure even attempting to lead it through this crisis, the way Andrew Lloyd Webber has in Britain. " - ryhog 06:54 pm EST 03/10/21 | |
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| The question the article asks is not about opening theaters before they can be open safely, but coming to the aid and support of artists and arts workers who are suffering and will continue to suffer for the foreseeable future. | |
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| re: "It turns out that the American theater has no towering figure even attempting to lead it through this crisis, the way Andrew Lloyd Webber has in Britain. " | |
| Posted by: ryhog 08:09 pm EST 03/10/21 | |
| In reply to: re: "It turns out that the American theater has no towering figure even attempting to lead it through this crisis, the way Andrew Lloyd Webber has in Britain. " - Billhaven 07:04 pm EST 03/10/21 | |
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| Understood. I was responding to a post that in turn was responding to a post about the quote in the subject line. ALW's "leadership" has consistently been to aid the theatre workers by reopening theatres before it is safe (and in ways that are horrifically unsafe in even more ways). Hence the reaction that the quote prompted for Michael (and me). Getting workers back to work by providing them unsafe jobs is quintessential Tory economics. I think the article has much that's good, other than that doozy. | |
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| re: "It turns out that the American theater has no towering figure even attempting to lead it through this crisis, the way Andrew Lloyd Webber has in Britain. " | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 11:45 pm EST 03/10/21 | |
| In reply to: re: "It turns out that the American theater has no towering figure even attempting to lead it through this crisis, the way Andrew Lloyd Webber has in Britain. " - ryhog 08:09 pm EST 03/10/21 | |
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| "I was responding to a post that in turn was responding to a post about the quote in the subject line. ALW's "leadership" has consistently been to aid the theatre workers by reopening theatres before it is safe (and in ways that are horrifically unsafe in even more ways). Hence the reaction that the quote prompted for Michael (and me). Getting workers back to work by providing them unsafe jobs is quintessential Tory economics. I think the article has much that's good, other than that doozy." Thank you :-) |
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| re: "It turns out that the American theater has no towering figure even attempting to lead it through this crisis, the way Andrew Lloyd Webber has in Britain. " | |
| Posted by: NewtonUK 06:22 am EST 03/11/21 | |
| In reply to: re: "It turns out that the American theater has no towering figure even attempting to lead it through this crisis, the way Andrew Lloyd Webber has in Britain. " - Michael_Portantiere 11:45 pm EST 03/10/21 | |
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| I think we will learn a lot from UK theatre over the next few months. At this week's SOLT Forum we discussed the staggered reopening of London theatres, in various ways, starting Mat 17 and June 21, with projected full opening by September (always with the caveat that events on the ground may change this timetable). Good (and fair) deals around reopening have been in place with all of the West End unions for months (Theatre, Opera, and Ballet). Detailed protocols are in place for health and safety, created from government standards, not by Labor Unions Still without audiences, but the Berlin Philharmonic has been playing their full season at the Philharmonie, and streaming it world wide. I know many of my American colleagues will be astounded - but the orchestra members are still alive. The Vienna State Opera has streamed three productions live from their opera house - without audiences - and their orchestra and chorus and principals and stage hands and staff are all still alive. One of the vienna productions was a complex CARMEN by CAlixto Beito, new to Vienna, which had to be full rehearsed as well as performed. Not a problem Europe has protocols, and has had for many many months, which allow performers to perform live on stage - not 12 feet apart. And yet hysteria continues to abound in America. Why? |
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| Saturday Night Live has been broadcasting all year... | |
| Posted by: Pashacar 03:21 pm EDT 03/15/21 | |
| In reply to: re: "It turns out that the American theater has no towering figure even attempting to lead it through this crisis, the way Andrew Lloyd Webber has in Britain. " - NewtonUK 06:22 am EST 03/11/21 | |
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| From right in the middle of Manhattan, as one of many examples of similar entertainment still being produced and broadcast in America. I'm not sure where all of your misguided fury comes from, but maybe at least try to come with some basis in fact? |
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| re: "It turns out that the American theater has no towering figure even attempting to lead it through this crisis, the way Andrew Lloyd Webber has in Britain. " | |
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| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 10:14 pm EST 03/11/21 | |
| In reply to: re: "It turns out that the American theater has no towering figure even attempting to lead it through this crisis, the way Andrew Lloyd Webber has in Britain. " - NewtonUK 06:22 am EST 03/11/21 | |
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| If you think the deals are fair, we can be assured that the artists and laborers are getting the poor end of the deal. But, hey, at least they get one day off a week! (And UK, at least, has health insurance.) Also, the experiences of film and TV production have proven to the American entertainment industry that there are reasonably safe ways of following Covid protocols and ensuring the safety of all involved. So no, Americans wouldn't be shocked to see that an orchestra can play music safely SO LONG AS THERE IS NOT AN AUDIENCE that might spread the disease. Ryhog hit some of the other points of nonsense very well. But whatever, keep ranting, we know who's really doing the planting. |
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| re: "It turns out that the American theater has no towering figure even attempting to lead it through this crisis, the way Andrew Lloyd Webber has in Britain. " | |
| Posted by: sirpupnyc 11:42 pm EST 03/11/21 | |
| In reply to: re: "It turns out that the American theater has no towering figure even attempting to lead it through this crisis, the way Andrew Lloyd Webber has in Britain. " - Singapore/Fling 10:14 pm EST 03/11/21 | |
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| an orchestra can play music safely SO LONG AS THERE IS NOT AN AUDIENCE And they're doing pieces for smaller ensembles, or chamber arrangements, or paring down from typical string sections. And spacing out the players in ways that would be difficult with an audience in the hall. I've heard a lot of concerts on BBC Radio 3, and they're all tossing out their planned programs to adapt. (And that's another difficulty for US ensembles: weak national/regional broadcasting. Even if our ensembles could reprogram and assemble to suit applicable guidelines, most have no guaranteed broadcast outlet and would be on their own for the technical aspects. Few have an existing apparatus to reach an audience outside their hall.) |
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| re: "It turns out that the American theater has no towering figure even attempting to lead it through this crisis, the way Andrew Lloyd Webber has in Britain. " | |
| Posted by: ryhog 09:05 am EST 03/11/21 | |
| In reply to: re: "It turns out that the American theater has no towering figure even attempting to lead it through this crisis, the way Andrew Lloyd Webber has in Britain. " - NewtonUK 06:22 am EST 03/11/21 | |
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| "hysteria continues to abound in America" No, it does not, and no, we will not learn a lot from the UK. What you seem to want to "learn" is based on notions external to Covid. 1. Reopening schedule: apples and oranges. We will of course have staggered reopening, but the idea of "full reopening" [assuming that you mean no theatre will be dark] by September is beyond naive for the simple reason that Broadway cannot fully return without tourists, whereas the West End can. 2. Union deals: apples and oranges. Two countries, two different sets of laws, two different bargaining positions. The topic of this thread is helping workers be safe and secure. Only if one wakes up every morning with anti-union bias could one think it is good (and fair) to superimpose some government mandate [is that really what you are saying?] on what labor unions can insist on in the protection of its members. 3. Live, audience-free performances: Apples and oranges. We have protocols in place for live performances without audiences (and even with limited audiences). That's not the reason we don't have them [and you know it]. Who is going to pay for these performances at the Met or Philharmonic? We do not have (meaningful and significant) government support for either institution. Have a look at the financial statements for the performances you mention if you really need this explained to you. 4. Protocols in place. See above. BTW we have no 12 foot rule. Next time, a few more demonstrable facts and a few less untethered fantasies would be a welcome innovation. |
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