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| At this point it’s safe to say that almost EVERY show will re-open... | |
| Last Edit: ShowGoer 08:43 am EST 03/12/21 | |
| Posted by: ShowGoer 08:32 am EST 03/12/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Patti LuPoneTo Star In New HBO Max Comedy Pilot - KingSpeed 11:20 pm EST 03/11/21 | |
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| ... that hasn’t pre-emptively announced a closing. That’s why it was such big news when Frozen announced early last summer that it wouldn’t be back, and when Mean Girls did the same thing just last month. But after a full year, and with full knowledge by now that a) the end is in sight but b) for one reason or another there’s still a chance some shows won’t be able to return till a year from now (vaccine rollout, return of tourism, coordinating cast and crew schedules with things like, yes, TV shows), I think any shows with zero plans to return would have announced it by now or will shortly. From Broadway Journal last week: “ No one put more money into the highly anticipated Broadway revival of Company than the insurance giant Chubb. The Ladies Who Lunch LLC, which transferred the Stephen Sondheim and George Furth musical from the West End only to suspend it during previews because of Covid-19, received $8.85 million from Chubb, according to an email that lead producer Chris Harper sent to investors. ...The Company money will enable the production to eventually open with a large cash cushion, or reserve, Harper wrote in September. The windfall, he wrote in another investor email, is the result of a “very robust policy” that “covers actual expenses incurred during the shutdown as well as lost profits.” Based on a recoupment chart, the $8,849,100 is equivalent to 80 percent of potential sales at the Bernard B. Jacobs Theatre over nine weeks. The cash lasts much longer: while waiting out the pandemic, the $13 million show spends a fraction of its normal weekly expenses, with its cast, crew and musicians off the payroll.” The article goes on to detail all the shows with similar payouts that will use the money to reopen, even including “Girl from the North Country”, which is great news. I can’t speak for all the plays that had been scheduled to open - although even there, Plaza Suite, The Minutes, Take Me Out, Birthday Candles, and obviously the nearly-sold-out The Lehman Trilogy have all officially announced they’ll be back. But in terms of musicals, Caroline or Change, Mrs. Doubtfire, Six and Flying Over Sunset have done the same - with this article it certainly seems as if Company and North Country will be back too. Diana elsewhere has implied it will, though I personally have slight doubts. But along with the other returnees like Hamilton, Lion King. Wicked, Phantom, Come from Away, and West Side Story, plus just-opened Jagged Little Pill and Tina, the newly announced Broadway productions of Our Town, Thoughts of a Colored Man, MJ, 1776, and Trouble in Mind, and the impending revival of Music Man and return of American Utopia, I think by around this time next year most Broadway houses will be full. Admittedly, for the most part spring-summer 2022 will look an awful lot like spring 2020 was SUPPOSED to, which will be an odd sort of time warp taking us back more than two years... A lot of juggling and a lot of details to be worked out, but that’s not nothing, and should be celebrated as we gradually get back to business as it was before. |
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| re: At this point it’s safe to say that almost EVERY show will re-open... | |
| Posted by: sirpupnyc 09:56 am EST 03/12/21 | |
| In reply to: At this point it’s safe to say that almost EVERY show will re-open... - ShowGoer 08:32 am EST 03/12/21 | |
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| I haven't seen that Lehman has announced a certain return. Just hopes, and not at the Nederlander. | |
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| re: At this point it’s safe to say that almost EVERY show will re-open... | |
| Posted by: ryhog 09:40 am EST 03/12/21 | |
| In reply to: At this point it’s safe to say that almost EVERY show will re-open... - ShowGoer 08:32 am EST 03/12/21 | |
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| I don't think that all of these shows will reopen. Some will take the money and run, and for others it will be a question of whether they can hold on to the theatre long enough. I think we will be lucky if spring-summer 2023 is getting back to relatively full steam. | |
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| With all due respect, your post is schizophrenic.... | |
| Last Edit: ShowGoer 10:32 am EST 03/12/21 | |
| Posted by: ShowGoer 10:30 am EST 03/12/21 | |
| In reply to: re: At this point it’s safe to say that almost EVERY show will re-open... - ryhog 09:40 am EST 03/12/21 | |
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| It's to the point, but your central arguments contradict themselves: "I don't think that all of these shows will reopen. Some will take the money and run, and for others it will be a question of whether they can hold on to the theatre long enough." va. "I think we will be lucky if spring-summer 2023 is getting back to relatively full steam." If shows can't hold on to their theatres long enough, it's because the Shuberts, Nederlanders and Jujamcyn have other properties knocking on the door to get in, with their money all ready - I don't see that happening, certainly not so soon, and certainly not if the money for the pre-existing ones is already there (and only reinforced by the insurance payoffs). But either way, if shows that were in place a year ago are getting kicked out for others, then that would mean the theaters are in fact getting back to relatively full steam, and sooner than even I predicted, let alone mid-2023. And as far as 'some will take the money and run', obviously each insurance policy is different, but for many I would guess the size of the payoff depended on whether the producers were guaranteeing best efforts to re-open (as opposed to just an insurance settlement for purposes of a write-off). Maybe you're right and one or three more shows will fall by the wayside... but I doubt the producers of things like Six, Company, The Minutes, and many others would still bother giving interviews and hyping their shows a year after they shut down if they didn't plan on coming back (if one was being cynical, in the case of Broadway's Best Shows/Spotlight on Plays, one could argue that the entire year+ of online play readings, in addition to raising money for the Actors Fund, was so that Jeffrey Richards could build up an even bigger mailing list to promote The Minutes, American Buffalo and Glengarry Glen Ross if they happen, and his other shows once Broadway was back up and running.) |
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| I’m curious if Minutes will recast hammer | |
| Last Edit: dramedy 07:57 pm EST 03/12/21 | |
| Posted by: dramedy 07:54 pm EST 03/12/21 | |
| In reply to: With all due respect, your post is schizophrenic.... - ShowGoer 10:30 am EST 03/12/21 | |
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| It’s been quiet since he was loudly fired from Lopez movie, but doing a search for this post I found vanity fair posted an article yesterday. | |
| Link | https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2021/03/the-fall-of-armie-hammer-a-family-saga-of-sex-money-drugs-and-betrayal/amp |
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| re: I’m curious if Minutes will recast hammer | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 11:14 pm EST 03/12/21 | |
| In reply to: I’m curious if Minutes will recast hammer - dramedy 07:54 pm EST 03/12/21 | |
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| I did not read the whole article but private discussion about sexual fantasies does not deserve cancellation IMHO. If he posted them on Twitter, I have a problem. But sharing his darkest thoughts with someone he’s being intimate should be allowed in my book and those people shouldn’t be sharing them with the world. IMHO. | |
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| It goes farther than fantasy | |
| Posted by: dramedy 12:39 pm EST 03/13/21 | |
| In reply to: re: I’m curious if Minutes will recast hammer - KingSpeed 11:14 pm EST 03/12/21 | |
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| Several of the woman including his ex (don’t know if he got divorced finalized) accused him of abuse (I think mostly mental). I agree if just fantasy and consensual s&m. But I’m don’t think the attention this is getting for months is that. | |
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| re: With all due respect, your post is schizophrenic.... | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 02:43 pm EST 03/12/21 | |
| In reply to: With all due respect, your post is schizophrenic.... - ShowGoer 10:30 am EST 03/12/21 | |
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| Schizophrenia is a real thing that has nothing to do with his post. I’m a little offended by your use of the word. There are more accurate words for what he posted. | |
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| re: With all due respect, your post is schizophrenic.... | |
| Posted by: ryhog 03:30 pm EST 03/12/21 | |
| In reply to: re: With all due respect, your post is schizophrenic.... - KingSpeed 02:43 pm EST 03/12/21 | |
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| Thanks for posting that. I was inclined to post something similar and then I decided that it might sound like I was deflecting and/or presumptuous. | |
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| This is why I so rarely post online. | |
| Posted by: ShowGoer 06:23 pm EST 03/12/21 | |
| In reply to: re: With all due respect, your post is schizophrenic.... - ryhog 03:30 pm EST 03/12/21 | |
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| One of the most recent times I worked as an actor I had a director tell me, in front of a room full of people and with a sense of humor, that the way I was playing the character was schizophrenic. I laughed, the room laughed, and certainly no one took it seriously. (And he wasn’t wrong- obviously not in a literally sense, but in a metaphorical one... adjustments were made accordingly.) No one I knew was offended, and (as far as I know) that included two people in the cast who suffered from depression and one who had more serious mental illness in their family. That was just a few years ago so while I realize times are changing, I do sometimes wonder if the world is losing its sense of humor and/or perspective, not specifically with regard to mental health - a serious issue to be sure - but in general. That being said, I know tone gets lost on social media, and we all mistakes, and we all can learn and grow. I hope it’s clear that not only was I not literally calling ryhog schizophrenic, I furthermore didn’t mean to make light of mental illness in any way. I apologize if I did. And tone gets lost over social media, so I’m sorry if I seemed flippant. I also admire KingSpeed for your work helping others with their problems. |
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| re: This is why I so rarely post online. | |
| Posted by: ryhog 07:39 pm EST 03/12/21 | |
| In reply to: This is why I so rarely post online. - ShowGoer 06:23 pm EST 03/12/21 | |
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| I understood you were not being literal and I think you have both fleshed out this subject in a good and thoughtful way that, from my perspective, enriches the discussion. | |
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| re: This is why I so rarely post online. | |
| Last Edit: KingSpeed 07:28 pm EST 03/12/21 | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 07:25 pm EST 03/12/21 | |
| In reply to: This is why I so rarely post online. - ShowGoer 06:23 pm EST 03/12/21 | |
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| Thanks, SG. Like I said, I was hesitant but felt compelled to ultimately say something. I have a great sense of humor. (Schitt’s Creek is hilarious). I don’t think it’s fair to say people don’t have one because they want people to be considerate. Saying it’s ok because there were 2 people in the cast who dealt with mental illness is like someone saying he’s not racist because he has lots of black friends. I don’t buy it. Another pet peeve is when people say “the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” Um no it’s not. | |
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| re: With all due respect, your post is schizophrenic.... | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 04:50 pm EST 03/12/21 | |
| In reply to: re: With all due respect, your post is schizophrenic.... - ryhog 03:30 pm EST 03/12/21 | |
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| Yes, I hesitated too but it did bother me esp since I’m mentally ill myself and I work at a mental hospital. | |
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| While I appreciate your sensitivity, I have a different view | |
| Posted by: Quicheo 11:39 am EDT 03/15/21 | |
| In reply to: re: With all due respect, your post is schizophrenic.... - KingSpeed 04:50 pm EST 03/12/21 | |
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| For background, I am a psychiatrist and brain researcher. I also have mental illness and several illnesses, including several Federally defined "Serious Mental Illnesses", run in my family--and members of my family have been working in the psychological fields since the 1930s. We are fun at parties. Thanksgiving at our house is...challenging for new romantic partners. There is a difference between the term "schizophrenic" and "Schizophrenia". One is a descriptor that indicates a disjointed "split" presentation, seeming to come from two places at once. One is an illness, originally tied to the term "schizophrenic" because of the seeming state of having a split mind within one brain. "Schizophrenic" has a life outside of "Schizophrenia" though, just as "depressed", "manic", "anxious", "obsessive", "compulsive", "defiant", "conduct', "antisocial", "organic", and myriad other terms do, while also being part of the basis for names of mental illnesses. I would hate to diminish the richness of our language because of mental health stigma. And it is, on some level, stigma. We can joke about something increasing our blood pressure or causing us to feel faint or work as back-breaking or mind-numbing. We joke about these things because they are shared parts of the human condition. So is mental illness. I hope we can get to a point where we are comfortable using terms of mental states as metaphor as well as diagnosis, because then they will be given proper place in the shared experience of life. That said, your heart is certainly in the right place. And I mean that metaphorically. And hopefully literally. |
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| re: With all due respect, your post is schizophrenic.... | |
| Posted by: ryhog 12:40 pm EST 03/12/21 | |
| In reply to: With all due respect, your post is schizophrenic.... - ShowGoer 10:30 am EST 03/12/21 | |
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| I've been accused of worse. :-) Let me embellish a little... As a threshold matter, I don't believe these insurance policies control what one does with the money. Regarding the main point, I think the disconnect you are sensing is caused by the fact that theatres are not fungible. There can be a lot of empty theatres but if you have a show languishing in one that the producer of what the landlord thinks is "the next Hamilton" wants, you will be kicked to the curb. Also, timing is everything, and timing is often casting. Some shows can't move forward without certain people who are not just sitting and twiddling their thumbs waiting. And one more maxim: talk is cheap. Interviews keep you in the game for the time being but coming back is going to take a lot of time, and not everyone's optimistic talk is going to translate. The market is not going to support all of the shows within the next year. Maybe this will help downgrade the severity of my psychosis in your mind. :-) [or not] |
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| And as I’ve stated before | |
| Posted by: dramedy 08:29 pm EST 03/12/21 | |
| In reply to: re: With all due respect, your post is schizophrenic.... - ryhog 12:40 pm EST 03/12/21 | |
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| As an out of Towner there has to be several shows that I want to see before I return to nyc and I highly doubt that will happen this fall and maybe next spring. | |
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| re: And as I’ve stated before | |
| Posted by: ryhog 09:30 pm EST 03/12/21 | |
| In reply to: And as I’ve stated before - dramedy 08:29 pm EST 03/12/21 | |
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| I should probably know this :-) but how many shows do you consider your critical mass? I think there will be 20+ shows on Broadway in the Spring, and hopefully that's enough to get you here. | |
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| Probably 3 or 4 that I really want to see | |
| Posted by: dramedy 12:45 pm EST 03/13/21 | |
| In reply to: re: And as I’ve stated before - ryhog 09:30 pm EST 03/12/21 | |
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| I doubt that there will be 20 new ones next spring. I think a lot of focus will be getting the old shows up and running. As for new ones, I think only flying over sunset, doubtfire and maybe sing street. Michael jackson and Britney Spears are a skip for me. I don’t like Caroline and I could care less about female version of 1776. None of the plays (revival or new) interest me so far. But maybe offbroadway will have something that peaks my curiosity. | |
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| re: Probably 3 or 4 that I really want to see | |
| Posted by: ryhog 12:59 pm EST 03/13/21 | |
| In reply to: Probably 3 or 4 that I really want to see - dramedy 12:45 pm EST 03/13/21 | |
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| obviously too soon to tell but I am pretty convinced that we will see less old shows than people are anticipating. The market is going to consist largely of theatre-goers rather than casual theatre attendees, and the former really have little interest in seeing how shows they have already seen are holding up. I expect the season to have at least a dozen or so new offerings. But as I like to say repeatedly because it sounds so cool, I know nothing. | |
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| What old shows wouldn’t? | |
| Posted by: dramedy 02:07 pm EST 03/13/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Probably 3 or 4 that I really want to see - ryhog 12:59 pm EST 03/13/21 | |
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| Of course this is all a guess Pretty sure return Wicked Hamilton Phantom (in some form) Chicago Lion king Hadestown. Probably Hansen Aladdin Aint too proud So that leaves Mormon Harry Potter (maybe revised as one play but wouldn’t be surprised if close) Come from away (it was around break even like mean girls so maybe just take the insurance and close). Mockingbird (Scott rudin is unpredictable) And this years Moulin rouge Jagged little pill Tina (might depend on Adrienne Warren schedule) The first batch may not open in fall but wait until sometime in 2022 but won’t give up the theater. |
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| re: What old shows wouldn’t? | |
| Posted by: ryhog 05:12 pm EST 03/13/21 | |
| In reply to: What old shows wouldn’t? - dramedy 02:07 pm EST 03/13/21 | |
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| My comment was limited to the 21-22 season. I think there is a good chance one or more of Phantom, Chicago, and Hadestown do not reopen in that timeframe. I think any of your probables or leftovers might not. I think your bottom group will, at least 2 of them. (Again, I know nothing.) Regarding not giving up the theatre, that's not entirely up to them. It is at least possible that some new show that the landlord holds in high regard could bounce a show that's not reopened if the specific theatre is pivotal to the deal. (See, e.g., MM vs. Beetlejuice, which WAS running lol) I don't think we have a good read on where things will be in April in terms of theatrical tourism (meaning casual), and personally I just don't think the market will support all of these tourist shows. It would take a LOT (to the point of inconceivability) to get masses of locals and people like you to decide you need to see Chicago or Phantom or Aladdin etc etc again we shall see |
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