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| re: I wonder if all the Broadway actors/dancers/singers even remember their lines/staging/choreography | |
| Posted by: TheatreGuy 02:27 pm EST 03/12/21 | |
| In reply to: I wonder if all the Broadway actors/dancers/singers even remember their lines/staging/choreography from last season - KingSpeed 02:25 pm EST 03/12/21 | |
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| Every principal contract will have expired by the time Broadway is back, so they very well could be replacing people. They are not protected by their contract. I don't think they will make people audition again for roles they were doing. That seems like a waste of time. | |
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| Are contracts that simple? | |
| Posted by: dramedy 03:02 pm EST 03/12/21 | |
| In reply to: re: I wonder if all the Broadway actors/dancers/singers even remember their lines/staging/choreography - TheatreGuy 02:27 pm EST 03/12/21 | |
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| Kelsey grammar was forced to return to Neverland musical after missing a bunch of performances. But maybe that is a Star contract that has specific number of performances. I think Ricky Martin in evita was extended by reducing the number of performances a week. But I agree they will need to replace actors in most shows. And there will need to be rehearsals. And if original directors are brought back there might be scheduling for multiple shows to not overlap. |
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| re: Are contracts that simple? Yes, but there is much misinformation here. | |
| Posted by: ryhog 03:27 pm EST 03/12/21 | |
| In reply to: Are contracts that simple? - dramedy 03:02 pm EST 03/12/21 | |
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| The AEA contracts were frozen. If an actor was on a term contract, it will resume; if not, then they would still be entitled to the same job/termination provisions that applied without the hiatus. BUT the contract is not two-way: an actor can choose to leave notwithstanding the frozen contract, without penalty or any other condition. | |
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| re: Are contracts that simple? Yes, but there is much misinformation here. | |
| Posted by: TheatreGuy 05:42 pm EST 03/12/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Are contracts that simple? Yes, but there is much misinformation here. - ryhog 03:27 pm EST 03/12/21 | |
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| While contracts were frozen, suspensions can only last up to 18 months. Assuming nothing will start before the fall, most of these term contracts will lapse. AEA sent out information about this to all contracted actors a few weeks ago. | |
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| re: Are contracts that simple? Yes, but there is much misinformation here. | |
| Posted by: ryhog 07:59 pm EST 03/12/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Are contracts that simple? Yes, but there is much misinformation here. - TheatreGuy 05:42 pm EST 03/12/21 | |
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| I am not aware of an 18 month rule. It is not in the production contract so far as I can tell. Did they indicate on what basis this was supposed to be happening? (I am not challenging what you were told. I just want to know where this is coming from if you don't mind providing a little more detail.) | |
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| re: Are contracts that simple? Yes, but there is much misinformation here. | |
| Posted by: Quicheo 04:59 pm EST 03/12/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Are contracts that simple? Yes, but there is much misinformation here. - ryhog 03:27 pm EST 03/12/21 | |
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| I can confirm that this is true. As to the speculation that some actors may have found other work--as we all know, there hasn't BEEN much other work, but ryhog's point covers this as well. |
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| re: Are contracts that simple? Yes, but there is much misinformation here. | |
| Posted by: fosse76 01:49 pm EST 03/13/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Are contracts that simple? Yes, but there is much misinformation here. - Quicheo 04:59 pm EST 03/12/21 | |
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| While the terms of the contract can be frozen for a period of time, it cannot exceed the term period of the contract. By now most every Broadway contract has likely expired, therefore none of them are binding as a result of the freeze anymore. Notwithstanding any renewal obligations built into the original contracts, of course. | |
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| That's incorrect. | |
| Posted by: ryhog 04:52 pm EST 03/13/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Are contracts that simple? Yes, but there is much misinformation here. - fosse76 01:49 pm EST 03/13/21 | |
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| As I said, the production contract specifically addresses this and it has been addressed by the bargaining parties. Someone posted that there was a maximum 18 month suspension, which is not in the contract, and I asked for the source of this information but the person did not post a response. In any case, that does not alter the fact that the contract can be frozen, suspended, and extended beyond its original term. Note however, as I posted, that it cannot be enforced against the actor in any event. | |
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| re: That's incorrect. | |
| Posted by: TheatreGuy 10:44 pm EST 03/13/21 | |
| In reply to: That's incorrect. - ryhog 04:52 pm EST 03/13/21 | |
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| This is straight for the horse’s (AEA) mouth. Principal Term Contracts expire 18 months after the beginning of their term, including shutdown time. For example, a Principal Term Contract beginning on January 10, 2020 would expire on July 10, 2021 unless the member and employer mutually agree to extend. |
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| re: That's incorrect. | |
| Posted by: ryhog 12:41 am EST 03/14/21 | |
| In reply to: re: That's incorrect. - TheatreGuy 10:44 pm EST 03/13/21 | |
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| I was not doubting what you had written, which is that you got the info from Equity. What I was asking is what the source for the information they communicated to you since it is not in the contract. In other words, was this included in some understanding reached between Equity and the League in connection with the shutdown? Or was it based on some interpretation by Equity unilaterally (and if so what)? Also, just to reiterate, either way the post I labelled as incorrect (saying that the term contract expired on its original expiration date, i.e., that a 1/10/20 one year term contract would expire on 1/9/21) is incorrect based on what you have conveyed. And thanks for posting what you got. | |
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| re: That's incorrect. | |
| Last Edit: fosse76 06:02 am EDT 03/15/21 | |
| Posted by: fosse76 06:01 am EDT 03/15/21 | |
| In reply to: re: That's incorrect. - ryhog 12:41 am EST 03/14/21 | |
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| No, what I wrote is not incorrect. The contract term does not change as a result of a suspension of the contract. During a suspension, neither party is obligated to perform obligations of the contract. Once the contract term expires, the contract is no longer enforceable. A suspension does not change the term date of the contract. Unless there is something written in the contract that extend the term date as a result of a suspension, or ALL parties agree to amend the contract once it is determined it needs to be suspended, then the contract ends on its original date and cannot be enforced. | |
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| sorry, still incorrect nmi | |
| Posted by: ryhog 08:48 am EDT 03/15/21 | |
| In reply to: re: That's incorrect. - fosse76 06:01 am EDT 03/15/21 | |
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| re: Are contracts that simple? Yes, but there is much misinformation here. | |
| Last Edit: KingSpeed 07:15 pm EST 03/12/21 | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 07:12 pm EST 03/12/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Are contracts that simple? Yes, but there is much misinformation here. - Quicheo 04:59 pm EST 03/12/21 | |
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| Many have been able to find non-acting work in other fields altogether. Personally, I’m a peer recovery coach at a mental hospital in Sedro-Woolley, Washington now. I haven’t given up on acting for good but I plan on staying at this job for awhile. And I’m learning a lot that will go into my acting when I return. | |
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| re: Are contracts that simple? Yes, but there is much misinformation here. | |
| Posted by: Quicheo 12:01 pm EDT 03/14/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Are contracts that simple? Yes, but there is much misinformation here. - KingSpeed 07:12 pm EST 03/12/21 | |
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| Yes, of course, you are right. That is quite a possibility for many. And, I fear, that many will not return because of financial insecurity even with a contract to come back to. | |
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| re: Are contracts that simple? Yes, but there is much misinformation here. | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 04:46 pm EST 03/12/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Are contracts that simple? Yes, but there is much misinformation here. - ryhog 03:27 pm EST 03/12/21 | |
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| Good to know | |
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| re: I wonder if all the Broadway actors/dancers/singers even remember their lines/staging/choreography | |
| Posted by: JereNYC (JereNYC@aol.com) 02:46 pm EST 03/12/21 | |
| In reply to: re: I wonder if all the Broadway actors/dancers/singers even remember their lines/staging/choreography - TheatreGuy 02:27 pm EST 03/12/21 | |
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| Assuming that 100% of a given cast is returning to a show and the production doesn't have to hold auditions for replacements, offers still have to be made and accepted, contracts drawn up and executed, performers who've left the city need to return and, in some cases, find housing again, and I imagine there will be 2-3 weeks of rehearsals needed to get the show back on its feet and in performance mode, even if the entire cast returns. Production offices will also need recall all the people who work in the offices who contribute to the running of the business of theatre and those people may also need time to make a decision about coming back, go through any retraining necessary, and/or be replaced and have those replacements be trained. And I imagine there will be some requirement that all company members of a show and all employees working in the theatre building itself be vaccinated. If people haven't been vaccinated by the time this whole process starts, that's going to be another consideration that's going to take time. I wonder if vaccination status will find its way onto resumes. This is going to be an enormous undertaking that is just going to take time. I think any given show is going to need at least 6-8 weeks from the start of the process to opening night. |
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| re: I wonder if all the Broadway actors/dancers/singers even remember their lines/staging/choreography | |
| Last Edit: KingSpeed 02:35 pm EST 03/12/21 | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 02:33 pm EST 03/12/21 | |
| In reply to: re: I wonder if all the Broadway actors/dancers/singers even remember their lines/staging/choreography - TheatreGuy 02:27 pm EST 03/12/21 | |
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| In the NBA, the contracts rolled over into the delayed season last summer. They didn’t all have to renegotiate contracts that technically expired in June. I wonder if this will be similar. As for auditioning again, the actors may look and sound differently than they used to. It’s not unusual for actors to re-audition for shows they’ve done even without a year off. I remember auditioning for a musical at Telsey several years ago and Alice Ripley was there auditioning for the Broadway production of N2N even though she had done it out of town and Off-Bway. | |
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