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| Last Edit: singleticket 10:31 pm EDT 03/16/21 | |
| Posted by: singleticket 10:29 pm EDT 03/16/21 | |
| In reply to: Do you think Sondheim has heard W.A.P.? - DistantDrumming 09:54 pm EDT 03/16/21 | |
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| I'm not sure if genitalia and Sondheim really go together. Hopefully someone will prove me wrong here. (And I mean his oeuvre, not his personal life.) |
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| Exclusive You, Elusive You... | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 03:51 am EDT 03/18/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Do you think Sondheim has heard W.A.P.? - singleticket 10:29 pm EDT 03/16/21 | |
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| ...Will Any Person Ever Get the Juice of You? | |
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| re: Exclusive You, Elusive You... | |
| Posted by: JereNYC (JereNYC@aol.com) 11:04 am EDT 03/18/21 | |
| In reply to: Exclusive You, Elusive You... - KingSpeed 03:51 am EDT 03/18/21 | |
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| I've always been curious about that lyric. I think we can assume that many people have gotten Bobby's "juice," over the probably 20 or so years that he's likely been sexually active. In fact, we even see one character get the juice of him right on stage (usually, depending on the production). And that character is one of the characters singing this lyric. Any Person, April? You mean, besides yourself? Besides, likely, the other two women singing with you at this moment, as well? Ladies, you've all gotten the juice of Bobby, so what are you talking about here? |
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| re: Exclusive You, Elusive You... | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 02:40 pm EDT 03/18/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Exclusive You, Elusive You... - JereNYC 11:04 am EDT 03/18/21 | |
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| As suggestive as you propose that lyric to be, I don't think that's what it means in the context of the song. (Though perhaps not as crazy as the guy who once tried to convince me that "I Know Things Now" was specifically about anal sex, but I digress. Sorry for bringing that up.) I think the intention of the song is much closer to "All The Single Ladies" than "Satisfaction" lol. Also, of course, the loose time structure of the show means that we really don't know when April and Bobby spent the night together in relation to the song. And of course if the song actually is indicative of a concrete event when the 3 of them were hounding him together (which seems unlikely). |
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| re: Exclusive You, Elusive You... | |
| Posted by: DistantDrumming 10:32 pm EDT 03/18/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Exclusive You, Elusive You... - Chromolume 02:40 pm EDT 03/18/21 | |
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| I agree with your interpretation of that "juice" lyric. Also, the anal sex interpretation of I Know Things Now is making me genuinely L-O-L. Not sure I'll ever hear the song in quite the same way. Did Sondheim write that one in his basement? | |
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| re: Do you think Sondheim has heard W.A.P.? | |
| Last Edit: PlayWiz 10:44 pm EDT 03/16/21 | |
| Posted by: PlayWiz 10:43 pm EDT 03/16/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Do you think Sondheim has heard W.A.P.? - singleticket 10:29 pm EDT 03/16/21 | |
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| I don't think "Can That Boy Foxtrot" was just about dancing, but it's certainly more tastefully droll. Although I rather think Mrs. Schweitzer would need Albert Schweitzer to answer the question posed in the song. | |
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| re: Do you think Sondheim has heard W.A.P.? | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 08:30 pm EDT 03/18/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Do you think Sondheim has heard W.A.P.? - PlayWiz 10:43 pm EDT 03/16/21 | |
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| I don't think "Can That Boy Foxtrot" was just about dancing It's not about dancing AT ALL. (In fact, "he can't dance" is one of the punchlines.) |
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| re: Do you think Sondheim has heard W.A.P.? | |
| Last Edit: lordofspeech 04:31 am EDT 03/17/21 | |
| Posted by: lordofspeech 04:31 am EDT 03/17/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Do you think Sondheim has heard W.A.P.? - PlayWiz 10:43 pm EDT 03/16/21 | |
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| The semi-tasteless, one-joke note of « Boy, Can that Boy Foxtrot » was probably why it was cut. The rest of Sondheim’s work is not so close to single entendre. But I think there’s healthy sexuality in his work sometimes. Songs like « That’ll Show Him » from Funny Thing and The Miller’s Son from Night Music and even Follies’ « Could I Leave You », and Company’s « Barcelona, » among others, treat of different aspects of sexuality in relationship, but they are so wonderfully modulated by character and circumstance that they reveal human nature and story. Not prurient. |
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| Where does Sondheim's brilliant "I Never Do Anything Twice" fit into the current conversation? | |
| Posted by: pecansforall 12:25 pm EDT 03/17/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Do you think Sondheim has heard W.A.P.? - lordofspeech 04:31 am EDT 03/17/21 | |
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| One of my favorite Sondheim lyrics. | |
| Link | I Never Do Anything Twice |
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| Sondheim's brilliant "I Never Do Anything Twice" Bestiality, BDSM, blasphemy avec bodily harm | |
| Posted by: waterfall 12:42 pm EDT 03/17/21 | |
| In reply to: Where does Sondheim's brilliant "I Never Do Anything Twice" fit into the current conversation? - pecansforall 12:25 pm EDT 03/17/21 | |
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| "When I was young and simple I don't recall the date I met a handsome captain of the guard He visited my chambers one evening rather late In tandem with a husky Saint Bernard At first I was astonished And tears came to my eyes But, later when I asked him to resume He said, to my surprise My dear, it isn't wise Where love is concerned one must freshen the bloom Once, yes, once for a lark Twice, though, loses the spark One must never deny it But after you try it you vary the diet Said my handsome young guard Yes, I know, but it's hard But no matter how nice I never do anything twice La la da da de-ah da dum I think about the baron Who came at my command And proffered me a riding crop and chains The evening that we shared Was meticulously planned He took the most extraordinary pains He trembled with excitement His cheeks were quite aglow And afterword he cried to me, encore! He pleaded with me so to have another go I murmured carressingly, whatever for? Once, yes, once for a lark Twice, though, loses the spark Once, yes, once is delicious But twice would be vicious Or just repetitious Someone's bound to be scarred Yes, I know that it's hard But, no matter the price I never do anything twice La la la la la la la la la la And then there was the abbot Who worshipped at my feet Who dressed me in a wimple and in veils He made a proposition which I found rather sweet And handed me a hammer and some nails In time we lay contented And he began again By fingering the beads around our waists I whispered to him then We'll have to say amen For I had developed more catholic tastes Once, yes, once for a lark Twice, though, loses the spark As I said to the abbot I'll get in the habit, but not in the habit You've my highest regard And I know that it's hard Still, no matter the price I'd never do anything twice Once, yes, once can be nice Love requires some spice If you've something in view Or something to do, totally new I'll be there in a trice But I never do anything twice Except . . . No I never do anything twice" |
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| Link | Patti LuPone's take |
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| re: Do you think Sondheim has heard W.A.P.? | |
| Posted by: Pokernight 11:18 am EDT 03/17/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Do you think Sondheim has heard W.A.P.? - lordofspeech 04:31 am EDT 03/17/21 | |
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| I concur with those posters who are on the side of "wit" over explicit vulgarity. However, it is true that culture has been downgraded by each new generation. It's at such a low, now, that I wonder where it can go to from here. I hope Cardi's grandchildren find solace in 'wap' as she sings them to sleep some night in the future. Cole Porter was about the naughtiest one could get and still be brilliantly witty............."kick him right in the Coriolanus" -- |
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| re: Do you think Sondheim has heard W.A.P.? | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 09:37 pm EDT 03/18/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Do you think Sondheim has heard W.A.P.? - Pokernight 11:18 am EDT 03/17/21 | |
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| However, it is true that culture has been downgraded by each new generation. No, I think what is true is that every generation believes that culture is being downgraded by each new generation. And, it's "kick HER right in the Coriolanus" - which doesn't go over as well nowadays. |
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| re: Do you think Sondheim has heard W.A.P.? | |
| Posted by: Pokernight 12:50 am EDT 03/20/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Do you think Sondheim has heard W.A.P.? - Chromolume 09:37 pm EDT 03/18/21 | |
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| I wonder if the day will dawn when you have something positive to say about the content of other members' posts. I feel sure that you gaze into a lake each morning upon awakening. | |
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| re: Do you think Sondheim has heard W.A.P.? | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 01:42 am EDT 03/20/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Do you think Sondheim has heard W.A.P.? - Pokernight 12:50 am EDT 03/20/21 | |
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| re: Do you think Sondheim has heard W.A.P.? | |
| Posted by: MRH 10:28 pm EDT 03/17/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Do you think Sondheim has heard W.A.P.? - Pokernight 11:18 am EDT 03/17/21 | |
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| This is my point exactly. I'm 30 -- not a curmudgeonly old man. How LOW can culture go after this -- your thing about Cardi B singing WAP to her granddaughters sums it up perfectly | |
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| re: Do you think Sondheim has heard W.A.P.? | |
| Posted by: singleticket 12:03 pm EDT 03/17/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Do you think Sondheim has heard W.A.P.? - Pokernight 11:18 am EDT 03/17/21 | |
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| I love Cole Porter but I also love Julia Lee, Bessie Smith and the "Dirty Blues" tradition. My guess is Cole Porter adored it too but he wrote his songs for a different world. | |
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| Posted by: MRH 10:54 pm EDT 03/16/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Do you think Sondheim has heard W.A.P.? - PlayWiz 10:43 pm EDT 03/16/21 | |
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