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re: To my great-grandmother...
Posted by: MRH 10:16 pm EDT 03/17/21
In reply to: re: To my great-grandmother... - Chromolume 09:37 pm EDT 03/17/21

Thanks for the back-up -- obviously the previous poster (who kept saying he knew the history of our culture and WAP was not worse) doesn't actually know our culture. And as you say G&S is hardly G-rated.
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re: To my great-grandmother...
Posted by: ryhog 10:49 pm EDT 03/17/21
In reply to: re: To my great-grandmother... - MRH 10:16 pm EDT 03/17/21

If you are referring to me, then you have misapprehended almost everything I said. And I suspect a good part of what Chromey was trying to convey. What you think G&S is or isn't is irrelevant to this discussion. The point is that, in addition to my now well-known in these parts great-grandmother, there were plenty of people (if you are unfamiliar the criticism is easy enough to find) who looked down their nose at the "trash" they were putting out, much as you do with Cardi B. FWIW I never said what I thought of WAP (that's irrelevant to this discussion as well), but your use of the word "worse" betrays the fault in everything you have written here. Art is not better or worse; it is different. You personally can like or dislike anything (also irrelevant), but you cannot impose that "taste" on everyone, least of all a generation as to which you are a spectator. The wonderful thing about art is that it evolves, so every generation falls in love with something that doesn't sit very comfortably with its predecessors. (Incidentally, that's precisely what we want art to do.) Some things endure; most things don't. Closed-mindedness never goes out of style.
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re: To my great-grandmother...
Posted by: Billhaven 11:04 pm EDT 03/17/21
In reply to: re: To my great-grandmother... - ryhog 10:49 pm EDT 03/17/21

And every generation loves a lot of crap. Most of the pop of my day is crap, Some things endure. Just like dozens of second rate shows were extremely popular. Abie's Irish Rose was one of most successful plays ever produced. How Much is That Doggie in the Window was one of biggest recordings of the 50s. I'm more judgemental than you. I judge Sinatra's (by way of Richards and Leigh) Young at Heart better. Not just different....better.
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re: To my great-grandmother...
Posted by: ryhog 12:00 am EDT 03/18/21
In reply to: re: To my great-grandmother... - Billhaven 11:04 pm EDT 03/17/21

Oh I have nothing against being judgmental (I do have something against the extra "e" even though it is not incorrect :-) ) so long as we understand that it is 100% subjective (which you obviously do). It's when someone tries to pretend it is objective that I get my feathers ruffled. When someone uses the word "hip" in the context of what is, at bottom, a variation on the emperor's new clothes canard, that also gets my dander up. An antihistamine usually clears that up though.
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