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re: Francis Ford Coppola's bizarre, surprising 1968 FINIAN'S RAINBOW
Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 12:20 am EDT 03/19/21
In reply to: Francis Ford Coppola's bizarre, surprising 1968 FINIAN'S RAINBOW - singleticket 07:17 pm EDT 03/18/21

I really enjoyed your observations, but can you elucidate why you feel the story makes no sense? I know a lot of people feel the story is overstuffed and perhaps not stylistically cohesive, but I don't think there's a general feeling that it makes no sense.
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re: Francis Ford Coppola's bizarre, surprising 1968 FINIAN'S RAINBOW
Last Edit: singleticket 01:36 pm EDT 03/19/21
Posted by: singleticket 01:20 pm EDT 03/19/21
In reply to: re: Francis Ford Coppola's bizarre, surprising 1968 FINIAN'S RAINBOW - Michael_Portantiere 12:20 am EDT 03/19/21

You might be right there. It does make a kind of emotional sense. And the climactic moment in Coppola's film where the Senator is changed back to a white man from a black man is very moving. The camera follow the Senator in a single shot as the world itself turns from nightime to daylight on what looks like an outdoor location. I don't know how Coppola did it, whether it was done inside the camera or in the lab, but it's exquisitely done.
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re: Francis Ford Coppola's bizarre, surprising 1968 FINIAN'S RAINBOW
Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 11:18 am EDT 03/20/21
In reply to: re: Francis Ford Coppola's bizarre, surprising 1968 FINIAN'S RAINBOW - singleticket 01:20 pm EDT 03/19/21

"And the climactic moment in Coppola's film where the Senator is changed back to a white man from a black man is very moving. The camera follow the Senator in a single shot as the world itself turns from nightime to daylight on what looks like an outdoor location. I don't know how Coppola did it, whether it was done inside the camera or in the lab, but it's exquisitely done. "

I just recently re-watched that moment, and if you look closely, there is an edit at the exact moment of the change from night to day. But I agree, it's a very moving, emotionally complex moment, exquisitely done.

If you'll excuse my redundancy, here is another link to our very recent "This Week on Broadway" podcast with our special guest Petula Clark, live on the phone from Geneva :-) Of course, we talk a bit about FINIAN'S RAINBOW, among other things.
Link Petula Clark, "This Week on Broadway"
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re: Francis Ford Coppola's bizarre, surprising 1968 FINIAN'S RAINBOW
Last Edit: singleticket 12:47 pm EDT 03/20/21
Posted by: singleticket 12:42 pm EDT 03/20/21
In reply to: re: Francis Ford Coppola's bizarre, surprising 1968 FINIAN'S RAINBOW - Michael_Portantiere 11:18 am EDT 03/20/21

I just recently re-watched that moment, and if you look closely, there is an edit at the exact moment of the change from night to day.

On the TCM original frame print that I saw that change felt seamless and I couldn't see an edit. It looked like a day-for-night exposure timing change within a single shot which can be done in the lab. However, on the Daily Motion pan-and-scan print that's available online it does look an edit.

But whatever the technique was you can see that Coppola was using his own film language to engage with the story in a cohesive way.
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re: Francis Ford Coppola's bizarre, surprising 1968 FINIAN'S RAINBOW
Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 03:13 pm EDT 03/20/21
In reply to: re: Francis Ford Coppola's bizarre, surprising 1968 FINIAN'S RAINBOW - singleticket 12:42 pm EDT 03/20/21

"On the TCM original frame print that I saw that change felt seamless and I couldn't see an edit. It looked like a day-for-night exposure timing change within a single shot which can be done in the lab."

I think it probably was day-for-night. I have a hi-def file of the film, and the edit is pretty clear, because the positions of Keenan Wynn (playing the bigoted senator) and the other actors suddenly change quite a bit at that moment.
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re: Francis Ford Coppola's bizarre, surprising 1968 FINIAN'S RAINBOW
Posted by: NewtonUK 08:47 am EDT 03/19/21
In reply to: re: Francis Ford Coppola's bizarre, surprising 1968 FINIAN'S RAINBOW - Michael_Portantiere 12:20 am EDT 03/19/21

I had the great good fortune to direct Barbara Hancock (Susan the Silent) in a play in Atlanta some years after this film came out. A lovely and talented woman.
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