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re: WAP, Sondheim, and the Degradation of Culture
Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 12:45 am EDT 03/19/21
In reply to: re: WAP, Sondheim, and the Degradation of Culture - Singapore/Fling 05:14 pm EDT 03/18/21

"The song can be approached in a way where they're both in on the game, but it can also be approached where one of them is breaking down the other."

I have always seen it played the first way -- as intended by the songwriter -- and never once seen it played the second way.

"In any event, there's a rich irony in someone who is scandalized by the self-created thought of young girls singing about their pussies insisting that they sing instead about not being able to leave someone's house while being plied with cigarettes and booze. Seems odd to me."

Of course, no one is insisting that young girls sing "Baby, It's Cold Outside" INSTEAD of "WAP," so I don't know where you got that from. At any rate, I continue to find your perspective on this exceedingly odd -- so I guess we're even :-)

Fun fact: If you actually pay attention to the actual lyrics of "Baby....," the persuader is not actually "plying" the other person with booze or cigarettes. Rather, the person who keeps saying maybe s/he should leave first brings up booze by saying "Well, maybe just a half a drink more" and later brings up cigarettes by saying "Maybe just a cigarette more." And there is absolutely no indication whatsoever in the song that the person who keeps saying may s/he should leave is UNABLE to leave. I always thing it's best, in discussions like this, to confine ourselves to what's actually written, as opposed to what we have created in our minds. (And yes, I'm well aware of the highly controversial "What's in this drink?" line, but I don't have the energy to get into discussion of that right now.)
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