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| re: Variety: As COVID-19 Restrictions Start to Ease, What Will It Take for Broadway Shows to Reopen? | |
| Posted by: Kaoru 05:20 pm EDT 03/20/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Variety: As COVID-19 Restrictions Start to Ease, What Will It Take for Broadway Shows to Reopen? - ryhog 03:38 pm EDT 03/20/21 | |
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| I said, people wear a mask when they get in, but some people take it off in a store. What if people do the same, once inside the theatre and sit down and take it off especially when the lights are off? The ushers don't even take away a phone when the guests are using (texting, reading etc) during the performance even they are warned multiple times, unless they are recording or taking a pic. | |
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| re: Variety: As COVID-19 Restrictions Start to Ease, What Will It Take for Broadway Shows to Reopen? | |
| Posted by: ryhog 06:03 pm EDT 03/20/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Variety: As COVID-19 Restrictions Start to Ease, What Will It Take for Broadway Shows to Reopen? - Kaoru 05:20 pm EDT 03/20/21 | |
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| I don't see people taking off masks in stores in the stores I patronize. That's what surprised me about your post. Earlier today I was in a large store in midtown and saw someone with their nose uncovered. It took under a minute for a sales clerk to tell them to cover their nose and they did. I have only seen one (seemingly crazy) person, in the Trader Joes in Chelsea, take their mask off and refuse to put it on, and he ended up getting thrown out after throwing his food at the employees. I don't think this is going to be a major issue among theatregoers in the early months. The difference between this and phones is that the producer's show is not subject to closure for phone issues like it will be for non-compliance with the monitoring requirement that will be in place. Personally, I would not go to the theatre without vaccination. By the time we have theatre, everyone will have had the opportunity to be vaccinated. The masks for the first few months is in anticipation of protecting the unvaccinated stragglers on the possible theory that a vaccinated person can infect an unvaccinated person. Once we reach herd immunity, our concern for these people will wane (as it has for everything else). This is how I see it. YMMV obviously. | |
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| re: Variety: As COVID-19 Restrictions Start to Ease, What Will It Take for Broadway Shows to Reopen? | |
| Posted by: hanon 06:15 pm EDT 03/20/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Variety: As COVID-19 Restrictions Start to Ease, What Will It Take for Broadway Shows to Reopen? - ryhog 06:03 pm EDT 03/20/21 | |
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| I’m not sure I understand the analogy between food shopping and sitting in a theater for 2 1/2 hours. I think given the choice between attending live shows and watching television, many people will decide to stay at home simply because they don’t have to wear a mask. Even in the days before COVID, it was hard to fill theaters. A lot of people will decide they don’t want to sit in a theater with a mask on, probably enough to make it impossible to run a show profitably. |
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| re: Variety: As COVID-19 Restrictions Start to Ease, What Will It Take for Broadway Shows to Reopen? | |
| Posted by: ryhog 06:54 pm EDT 03/20/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Variety: As COVID-19 Restrictions Start to Ease, What Will It Take for Broadway Shows to Reopen? - hanon 06:15 pm EDT 03/20/21 | |
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| I didn't really mean it as an analogy but more as an observation that folks around here don't seem mask averse in the way people in some other places apparently are. Your perspective on whether enough people will be motivated to go to the theatre in a mask is certainly a valid one. All I can say is that there are producers prepared to bet against you on that. (And that too is no different than producers betting on shows that just about no one on this board thinks is a good idea.) I think there is no question that some people will not go back if there is a mask requirement but I also think that there are people (including me) who will. Early on in the pandemic I watched quite a few filmed shows and of course the zoom things. I tired of it long before many here did but I've made no secret over the years that I don't find filmed shows a palatable substitute or even "the same thing." I have said this a number of times over the months but I think some people envision a much more robust Fall '21 than is likely to materialize, and a good part of the reason is that the market for theatre is going to be reduced by a variety of facts including the masks, a more general reluctance to be amongst people after 18 months of staying away from them, and the absence of tourists in large measure. So as I have said, I expect only about a half dozen shows in the early months and I also expect the mask mandate will be gone before Spring '22. We will STILL not be back to anything approaching a full complement of shows. I saw what you wrote in another post and just to react to that a little. I never say never but producers are rarely motivated by the prospect of losing money out of the gate. We all know that most productions will end up losing money but not by design. This is another reason that we can expect a limited supply of shows, because the design would be that the reduced demand will be somewhat close to matched by it. |
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| re: Variety: As COVID-19 Restrictions Start to Ease, What Will It Take for Broadway Shows to Reopen? | |
| Posted by: blue70 04:09 pm EDT 03/21/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Variety: As COVID-19 Restrictions Start to Ease, What Will It Take for Broadway Shows to Reopen? - ryhog 06:54 pm EDT 03/20/21 | |
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| I used to attend theater, concerts, ballet and opera performances regularly. I will not be returning to see live performances any time soon. I lost a friend to covid this week, so I am even warier of crowds than I was before. I don't trust people to wear masks properly. I see people with ill-fitting masks every time I shop. I regularly see people who do not cover their noses. I've even seen people remove their masks in stores. I now shop during off-peak hours so that I encounter fewer people. In December, Fauci said that 90% of the population needs to be vaccinated in order for us to achieve herd immunity. Because of the amount of vaccine hesitancy out there, I'll be surprised if we are able to vaccinate 90% of the people. |
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| re: Variety: As COVID-19 Restrictions Start to Ease, What Will It Take for Broadway Shows to Reopen? | |
| Posted by: ryhog 05:55 pm EDT 03/21/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Variety: As COVID-19 Restrictions Start to Ease, What Will It Take for Broadway Shows to Reopen? - blue70 04:09 pm EDT 03/21/21 | |
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| Everyone decides for themselves what they are comfortable with and when, so nothing I say is intended to encourage anyone to do do things before it feels right to them personally. Having said that, as I have said before, herd immunity is a public health issue, not a personal health issue. Of course we have cause for concern that stupid people will not get vaccinated, because ultimately we will all pay for their choice in higher healthcare costs, taxes, etc. but it does not change things for the vaccinated at all. (NB the continued mask mandate exists to protect the unvaccinated (in the event vaccinated people end up being able to spread the virus) until everyone has had plenty of opportunity to get vaccinated. Once that happens, the mandate will be lifted.) And there will be vaccines for children in due course. There is research underway now; obviously we have to know that they are safe for kids before we allow them. But again, since there is a low incidence, this is not a public health priority. If we can empty the hospitals and the morgues of covid victims, normalcy will return. I hope you find the right time to return as well. | |
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| re: Variety: As COVID-19 Restrictions Start to Ease, What Will It Take for Broadway Shows to Reopen? | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 04:46 pm EDT 03/21/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Variety: As COVID-19 Restrictions Start to Ease, What Will It Take for Broadway Shows to Reopen? - blue70 04:09 pm EDT 03/21/21 | |
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| Last week one of the medical professionals, not Fauci, but a woman doctor, said that because there are no plans to vaccinate children, 95% of adults will have to be vaccinated in order to achieve herd immunity. Right now in red states it's the macho thing to not wear a mask and not get vaccinated. Recently Trump repeated the baseless claim that vaccinations cause autism. The horrendous divide in this country is going to make it very hard to defeat the virus. |
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