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| George Segal has died. | |
| Last Edit: kieran 09:49 pm EDT 03/23/21 | |
| Posted by: kieran 09:46 pm EDT 03/23/21 | |
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| From Wikipedia: “After college and the army, Segal eventually studied at the Actors Studio with Lee Strasberg and Uta Hagen and got a job as an understudy in a Broadway production of The Iceman Cometh. He appeared in Antony and Cleopatra for Joseph Papp and joined an improvisational group called The Premise, which performed at a Bleecker Street coffeehouse and whose ranks included Buck Henry and Theodore J. Flicker. Segal continued to perform on Broadway with roles in Gideon (1961–62) by Paddy Chayefsky, which ran for 236 performances, as well as Rattle of a Simple Man (1963), an adaptation of a British hit, with Tammy Grimes and Edward Woodward.” |
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| Last Edit: WaymanWong 01:00 am EDT 03/24/21 | |
| Posted by: WaymanWong 12:59 am EDT 03/24/21 | |
| In reply to: George Segal has died. - kieran 09:46 pm EDT 03/23/21 | |
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| George Segal also returned to Broadway in 1985 in Rod Serling's ''Requiem for a Heavyweight,'' with John Lithgow (only 3 performances!). His last Broadway stint was stepping into Yasmina Reza's ''Art'' (1999) as Serge, opposite Buck Henry's Marc and Wayne Knight's Yvan. But I'll always remember Segal for his Oscar-nominated role as Nick in the terrific 1966 film version of ''Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?'' |
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| Link | 'Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?': Playing 'Get the Guests' (with Richard Burton, George Segal, Sandy Dennis & Elizabeth Taylor) |
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| re: George Segal has died. | |
| Posted by: Indavidzopinion (Valmont194@aol.com) 02:54 pm EDT 03/24/21 | |
| In reply to: re: George Segal has died. - WaymanWong 12:59 am EDT 03/24/21 | |
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| Anybody else remember seeing him on The Tonight Show, playing a ukulele and singing “ The Yama Yama Man?” | |
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| How did Richard Burton not win the Oscar for "Virginia Woolf?" | |
| Posted by: Jax 12:15 pm EDT 03/24/21 | |
| In reply to: re: George Segal has died. - WaymanWong 12:59 am EDT 03/24/21 | |
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| He's so breath-taking in this clip. Saw (the winner) Paul Scofield in A MAN FOR ALL SEASONS recently. A self-satisfied, eyebrow waggling performance, not even a cinder compared to Burton's fire and ice. And while I'm reassigning Awards, let's take Best Supporting from Walter Mattha (who had a LEADING ROLE) and give it to Segal, such a great Nick. Hard to think of a better acted film than VIRGINIA WOOLF. Burton was plain old awesome. | |
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| re: How did Richard Burton not win the Oscar for "Virginia Woolf?" | |
| Posted by: Roman 11:33 pm EDT 03/24/21 | |
| In reply to: How did Richard Burton not win the Oscar for "Virginia Woolf?" - Jax 12:15 pm EDT 03/24/21 | |
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| Not enough people voted for him. He’s brilliant in the film. Brilliant. But, wow, to see James Mason would have been incredible. |
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| re: How did Richard Burton not win the Oscar for "Virginia Woolf?" | |
| Posted by: BigM 10:14 pm EDT 03/24/21 | |
| In reply to: How did Richard Burton not win the Oscar for "Virginia Woolf?" - Jax 12:15 pm EDT 03/24/21 | |
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| Awards are just someone's opinion, not an impartial stamp of justice. Clearly, the voters thought Scofield was better. And they thought Matthau was better than Segal (I am personally sympathetic to this opinion). If those voters could be replaced by others who shared your view, then it would have gone differently. But that wasn't the case. | |
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| re: How did Richard Burton not win the Oscar for "Virginia Woolf?" | |
| Posted by: ryhog 05:04 pm EDT 03/24/21 | |
| In reply to: How did Richard Burton not win the Oscar for "Virginia Woolf?" - Jax 12:15 pm EDT 03/24/21 | |
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| I don't know, in part because at that time I was too young for the likes of Woolf (Sound of Music would have been adventurous) but I know that at the some point 'the couple" started to become tedious (offstage). Is it possible that this could have had an effect at that time, the people would have wanted to avoid awarding the couple? | |
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| re: How did Richard Burton not win the Oscar for "Virginia Woolf?" | |
| Posted by: keikekaze 07:06 pm EDT 03/24/21 | |
| In reply to: re: How did Richard Burton not win the Oscar for "Virginia Woolf?" - ryhog 05:04 pm EDT 03/24/21 | |
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| I was 17 in 1967, and I don't think there was any determined attempt to "snub" Burton/Taylor at the Oscars (Taylor did win, after all). But nobody was going to beat Paul Scofield for Best Actor that year, nor A Man For All Seasons for Best Picture. The Bolt play had been a smash hit on both sides of the Atlantic, and what's more was regarded as the "prestige hit" not only of its season but pretty much of the whole decade. Schools (including mine) made special bus trips to take kids to absorb this "painless history lesson / lesson in good citizenship." That's what the Academy has always rewarded with the major Oscars--lessons in good citizenship clothed in "prestigious" garb. Scofield's performance also had the cachet of being "the latest thing," whereas people had seen Burton being brilliant--and less than brilliant--before. | |
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| re: How did Richard Burton not win the Oscar for "Virginia Woolf?" | |
| Posted by: ryhog 07:42 pm EDT 03/24/21 | |
| In reply to: re: How did Richard Burton not win the Oscar for "Virginia Woolf?" - keikekaze 07:06 pm EDT 03/24/21 | |
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| Thanks to both of you. As I said, I was just guessing/wondering. At some point my sense is that they became what today would have been tabloid fodder or, more likely, a couple who were blowing up the internet (a la Kanye/Kim but with a lot more talent). His talent, of course, was prodigious. | |
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| re: How did Richard Burton not win the Oscar for "Virginia Woolf?" | |
| Last Edit: BroadwayTonyJ 06:58 pm EDT 03/24/21 | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 06:51 pm EDT 03/24/21 | |
| In reply to: re: How did Richard Burton not win the Oscar for "Virginia Woolf?" - ryhog 05:04 pm EDT 03/24/21 | |
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| I was a senior in high school when the film of Virginia Woolf opened. I used to follow the Academy Awards pretty rabidly back then. It was Burton's 5th Oscar nomination in a span of 15 years so he could have won for that fact alone. He was easily one of Hollywood's greatest film actors in 1966. However, both Paul Scofield and A Man for All Seasons were heavily favored to win -- both actor and play had won the top Tony in '63. I do remember Burton being strongly criticized in the press for doing a lot of crap films (The Bramble Bush, Ice Palace, The Sandpiper) in between the excellent ones (Look Back in Anger, Becket, The Spy Who Came in from the Cold). In fact in response to the criticism, he actually admitted that some of the movies he made were "shitty films" while pointing out that they made a lot of money. He also stated that he made them because he wanted "to get rich". There's no question he was refreshingly honest. Of course, at some time during that period ('52 through '69), he should have taken home the Oscar but just like John Barrymore, Irene Dunne, Cary Grant, Peter O'Toole, and others, it just didn't happen. At least Grant and O'Toole were given an honorary one. If Burton hadn't died at such an early age, he too most likely would have received that type of award. |
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| re: How did Richard Burton not win the Oscar for "Virginia Woolf?" | |
| Last Edit: WaymanWong 07:35 pm EDT 03/24/21 | |
| Posted by: WaymanWong 07:35 pm EDT 03/24/21 | |
| In reply to: re: How did Richard Burton not win the Oscar for "Virginia Woolf?" - BroadwayTonyJ 06:51 pm EDT 03/24/21 | |
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| Richard Burton got his 7th (and last) Oscar nomination for ''Equus'' (1977). He told friends that he really wanted to win it, having lost 6 times before. And Burton did win the Golden Globe for Best Actor in a Drama, often a precursor for that season's Oscar winner. So I can only imagine his hurt and disappointment when the envelope was opened at the Academy Awards, and it was announced that the winner was ''Richard,'' but not ''Richard Burton,'' but ''Richard Dreyfuss'' for ''The Goodbye Girl.'' Such are the vagaries of awards. Some are fortunate to win on their first try, while others can be nominated multiple times and never win. |
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| Link | Richard Burton winning at 1978 Golden Globes |
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| Glenn close has 8 nominations. | |
| Posted by: dramedy 08:55 pm EDT 03/24/21 | |
| In reply to: re: How did Richard Burton not win the Oscar for "Virginia Woolf?" - WaymanWong 07:35 pm EDT 03/24/21 | |
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| She probably has a good chance this year in winning supporting actress category with hillbilly elegy. | |
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| re: Glenn close has 8 nominations. | |
| Posted by: Roman 11:28 pm EDT 03/24/21 | |
| In reply to: Glenn close has 8 nominations. - dramedy 08:55 pm EDT 03/24/21 | |
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| After Dangerous Liaisons? Fatal Atrraction? The Natural? Big Chill? Albert Nobbs? The Wife? Garp? Tinning an Oscar for this crap? What an insult. She herself has mocked the Oscars, particularly for giving the award to Gwenythbover Fernanda Montenegro (indeed, the greatest Oscar crime since Judy in 1954). It’s Yuh-Jung Youn’s to lose. |
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| But can she Close the deal this time? | |
| Posted by: WaymanWong 09:41 pm EDT 03/24/21 | |
| In reply to: Glenn close has 8 nominations. - dramedy 08:55 pm EDT 03/24/21 | |
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| I wonder why Close didn't win for her 7th Oscar bid (for ''The Wife''). She WON the precursor prizes: SAG, the Golden Globe and Critics' Choice. (I'm not a fan of ''Hillbilly Elegy,'' which has earned Close an Oscar AND Razzie nomination. I'd rather see her win for ''Sunset Blvd.'' someday.) |
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| No. | |
| Posted by: Roman 11:31 pm EDT 03/24/21 | |
| In reply to: But can she Close the deal this time? - WaymanWong 09:41 pm EDT 03/24/21 | |
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| She’s a total ham. And while other hams have won before, it’s Yuh-Jung Youn‘s to lose (for one of the greatest supporting performances in recent memory). Really, awarding Glenn Close for “Hillbilly Elegy” after Dangerous Liaisons? Garp? Fatal Attraction? What an insult. |
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| I agree; Burton should've won the Oscar for 'Virginia Woolf' | |
| Last Edit: WaymanWong 03:39 pm EDT 03/24/21 | |
| Posted by: WaymanWong 03:35 pm EDT 03/24/21 | |
| In reply to: How did Richard Burton not win the Oscar for "Virginia Woolf?" - Jax 12:15 pm EDT 03/24/21 | |
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| And though Edward Albee originally wanted James Mason to play George, the playwright admitted that Burton was incredible. Burton and Taylor won the British Academy Film Awards that year. But when the N.Y. Film Critics Circle voted, they gave Best Actress to Taylor (actually she tied with Lynn Redgrave in ''Georgy Girl''). But the N.Y. Film Critics Circle gave Best Actor to Paul Scofield in ''A Man for All Seasons.'' Reportedly, after Burton lost that prize to Scofield, he believed he had no chance at the Oscar. Taylor, too, was upset that Burton was losing for what she believed was his career-best performance (and his 5th Oscar nomination). Burton supposedly talked Taylor out of attending the Oscar ceremonies. (Sandy Dennis, who won Supporting Actress, also was an Oscar no-show; she was performing in N.Y. and hated flying.) Back to Segal: The obits say Mike Nichols offered him the role of Nick after Robert Redford turned it down. Has Redford ever said why? Too bad the SAG Awards didn't exist in 1967. If any film deserved a prize for Best Ensemble, ''Virginia Woolf'' would've been a shoo-in. |
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| re: I agree; Burton should've won the Oscar for 'Virginia Woolf' | |
| Posted by: garyd 09:20 pm EDT 03/24/21 | |
| In reply to: I agree; Burton should've won the Oscar for 'Virginia Woolf' - WaymanWong 03:35 pm EDT 03/24/21 | |
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| the Nichols bio gives a couple of explanations. One from Nichols and one from Redford which includes a "my objections proved wrong" sort of thing. One thing in the bio which is true, is that Albee gave up all potential input into the film. Great film adaptation, however, with the exception of the ludicrous road house scene. | |
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| re: I agree; Burton should've won the Oscar for 'Virginia Woolf' | |
| Posted by: Jax 07:17 pm EDT 03/24/21 | |
| In reply to: I agree; Burton should've won the Oscar for 'Virginia Woolf' - WaymanWong 03:35 pm EDT 03/24/21 | |
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| I recall reading -- somewhere, don't ask me where--that Redford passed because he felt the role of Nick might hurt his then budding career. He had played a dark, seemingly gay character in INSIDE DAISY CLOVER and was apparently wary of playing another less than heroic role. Remember, he didn't officially become a super star till BUTCH CASSIDY in 1969 | |
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