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| People not usually thought of (or celebrated enough) as heroes/heroines in their musicals | |
| Last Edit: PlayWiz 10:19 pm EDT 04/02/21 | |
| Posted by: PlayWiz 10:03 pm EDT 04/02/21 | |
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| Here are some characters not given enough credit for taking actions (sometimes inadvertently or accidently) that have positive enough effect to be considered heroes or heroines in their musicals: Tobias - “Sweeney Todd” - Tobias, in his shocked madness, kills Sweeney, thus stopping the barber from continuing his mass killing Panisse in “Fanny” - – marries pregnant Fanny, conveniently (?) dies so her younger lover/real father of her child Marius can claim her at last as his own when he returns after a long leave Ado Annie – gets her guy(s) without having to have a rival killed, unlike Laurey Max in “Sound of Music” – gets the Von Trapp Family away from the Nazis and is left to face the consequences alone Arpad – saves Mr. Maraczek’s life in “She Loves Me” and perhaps the livelihoods of all the principals (except Kodaly, of couse) The 2 gangsters in “Kiss Me, Kate” – keep the show "Taming of the Shrew" going by their presence thus allowing Fred and Lilli to reconcile Julie and Cap'n Andy in "Show Boat" - Julie (by chance of being there) gives up her gig in Chicago to Magnolia without the latter knowing, and Cap'n Andy (by chance of being there) gives Magnolia enough encouragement from the audience when Magnolia gets the jitters at the start of her comeback performance into a triumph. Feel free to add your own. |
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| re: People not usually thought of (or celebrated enough) as heroes/heroines in their musicals | |
| Last Edit: JereNYC 01:14 am EDT 04/04/21 | |
| Posted by: JereNYC (JereNYC@aol.com) 01:06 am EDT 04/04/21 | |
| In reply to: People not usually thought of (or celebrated enough) as heroes/heroines in their musicals - PlayWiz 10:03 pm EDT 04/02/21 | |
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| In the SOUND OF MUSIC movie, since Max is actually on stage when the von Trapps escape, he might have plausible deniability later. I cannot imagine that Georg and Maria would have left him behind if they thought he would be implicated in their flight. As for the nuns, mentioned elsewhere in the thread, no one knows (except the other nuns) that they tampered with the cars. And I imagine that no one involved thought the Nazis capable of murdering nuns for providing sanctuary. So, I can't really fault Georg and Maria there. |
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| re: People not usually thought of (or celebrated enough) as heroes/heroines in their musicals | |
| Posted by: mikem 12:23 am EDT 04/03/21 | |
| In reply to: People not usually thought of (or celebrated enough) as heroes/heroines in their musicals - PlayWiz 10:03 pm EDT 04/02/21 | |
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| (spoilers for the movie of The Sound of Music) I don't think it happens in the stage show, but I think of the nuns at the end of the movie of The Sound of Music who sabotaged the Nazis' cars so that the von Trapp family could get away. And the Nazis also know, thanks to Rolf, that the nuns were hiding the family. The poor nuns probably got tortured and killed by the Nazis as a result. I guess the audience is supposed to think that the family got away, so who cares what happens to the nuns? But, even as a child, I thought the fate of the nuns made the ending a not-completely-happy one. |
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| re: People not usually thought of (or celebrated enough) as heroes/heroines in their musicals | |
| Posted by: JohnDunlop 12:02 am EDT 04/04/21 | |
| In reply to: re: People not usually thought of (or celebrated enough) as heroes/heroines in their musicals - mikem 12:23 am EDT 04/03/21 | |
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| When I saw the film, I was surprised by the nuns' action. I did see The Sound of Music on Broadway in 1960 with Mary Martin. So it is quite possible that scene was not in the Broadway show. |
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| re: People not usually thought of (or celebrated enough) as heroes/heroines in their musicals | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 03:01 am EDT 04/03/21 | |
| In reply to: re: People not usually thought of (or celebrated enough) as heroes/heroines in their musicals - mikem 12:23 am EDT 04/03/21 | |
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| Childhood me had no problem believing that the nuns get away with it, because Nazis are stupid and wouldn't hurt nuns. And I've never really given it a second thought. | |
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| re: People not usually thought of (or celebrated enough) as heroes/heroines in their musicals | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 07:11 am EDT 04/03/21 | |
| In reply to: re: People not usually thought of (or celebrated enough) as heroes/heroines in their musicals - Singapore/Fling 03:01 am EDT 04/03/21 | |
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| When I saw The Sound of Music in '65, I was either 16 or 17, and I also believe that the nuns got away with it because after all, the Nazis (as portrayed in Hogan's Heroes, also in '65) were a bunch of buffoons and really stupid. C'mon, they did lose the war. However, after reading The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich and seeing documentaries about the Holocaust -- they actually executed children as young as 4 and 5 on the gallows -- I came to the realization that if the nuns actually aided the Von Trapps in escaping, they would have faced harsh punishment and execution. I still think about this every time I watch the movie. |
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| re: People not usually thought of (or celebrated enough) as heroes/heroines in their musicals | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 01:18 pm EDT 04/03/21 | |
| In reply to: re: People not usually thought of (or celebrated enough) as heroes/heroines in their musicals - BroadwayTonyJ 07:11 am EDT 04/03/21 | |
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| BroadwayTonyJ, I hate to say it, but I think your interpretation is correct, if we want to be realistic about it. See also the opera THE DIALOGUES OF THE CARMELITES for a similar situation. | |
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