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| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 12:14 am EDT 04/10/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Do you wanna build a straw man? - Singapore/Fling 10:40 pm EDT 04/09/21 | |
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| We're getting into semantics here. Again, the definition of a straw man argument or fallacy is clear. So no matter how strongly someone is convinced that someone else's position is a straw man fallacy, one should be able to objectively examine the argument and decide whether or not that's true. If I were to say "I think we should have universal health care in the U.S." and someone else were to respond, "Sorry, I don't believe the government should give every citizen everything they want for free," that would be clearly be a straw man argument, because I never said that. |
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| re: Do you wanna build a straw man? | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 12:31 am EDT 04/10/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Do you wanna build a straw man? - Michael_Portantiere 12:14 am EDT 04/10/21 | |
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| "one should be able to objectively examine the argument and decide whether or not that's true." 100% agree, but I have found that when people bust out "Straw Man!" as their response, it's often because they don't want to examine the argument. In this thread alone, straw man was tossed out with the insistence that no one was talking about replacing live theater with streamed theater, even though someone had totally written how excited they were to replace live theater with streaming theater. And that's just the low hanging fruit, lol. |
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| re: Do you wanna build a straw man? | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 12:29 pm EDT 04/10/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Do you wanna build a straw man? - Singapore/Fling 12:31 am EDT 04/10/21 | |
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| "In this thread alone, straw man was tossed out with the insistence that no one was talking about replacing live theater with streamed theater, even though someone had totally written how excited they were to replace live theater with streaming theater." But maybe the people who cried "straw man" didn't read that particular, highly unusual comment. I think it's fair to say that the VAST majority of people don't feel that streaming theater should REPLACE live theater, so it would be a straw man argument to insist that those people DO feel that way. |
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| re: Do you wanna build a straw man? | |
| Posted by: ryhog 01:51 pm EDT 04/10/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Do you wanna build a straw man? - Michael_Portantiere 12:29 pm EDT 04/10/21 | |
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| Leaving aside the use and misuse of the rhetorical device, the original post by MBG was absolute in its terms, and absolutism around here is not unfamiliar even though it is almost never accurate. The OP was making its point by insisting (as fact) that there were no dissenters (highly unusual or not). I'd add that, although what Dramedy said is indeed highly unusual and surprising in this precinct, it is certainly not true that the vast majority of people overall elevate live theatre above something they can watch from their couch (ditto, of course, even for going to a movie theatre). This is one reason I feel so strongly about streaming being an unhealthy thing for the theatre. It vitiates the #1 selling point live theatre has. | |
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| re: Do you wanna build a straw man? | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 03:31 pm EDT 04/10/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Do you wanna build a straw man? - ryhog 01:51 pm EDT 04/10/21 | |
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| "I'd add that, although what Dramedy said is indeed highly unusual and surprising in this precinct, it is certainly not true that the vast majority of people overall elevate live theatre above something they can watch from their couch (ditto, of course, even for going to a movie theatre). " If you don't think that the vast majority of people who post here certainly do feel exactly that way, then I can only say that I strongly disagree with you. We are, of course, NOT discussing the general population, so your use of the word "overall" is odd in this context. |
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| re: Do you wanna build a straw man? | |
| Posted by: ryhog 04:00 pm EDT 04/10/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Do you wanna build a straw man? - Michael_Portantiere 03:31 pm EDT 04/10/21 | |
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| I read "[a]bsolutely no one" in MBG's post literally. Reading it your way (and assuming MBG had not read what Dramedy wrote), then we are in agreement. | |
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