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| Posted by: Chromolume 04:16 pm EDT 04/11/21 | |
| In reply to: I started the water bottle as a joke a few days ago - dramedy 03:27 pm EDT 04/11/21 | |
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| But see, as i also said in the other thread, the water bottle "joke" isn't funny anymore, not after the new Georgia voting laws. Something that seemed like an inconvenience (and a nod to a form of 'audience behavior" courtesy) has now become something much stupider and more pernicious. It may seem like a silly thing to be denied bottled water at a show, but would you rather not have it while waiting on a very long line in the heat? | |
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| Really | |
| Last Edit: dramedy 04:27 pm EDT 04/11/21 | |
| Posted by: dramedy 04:26 pm EDT 04/11/21 | |
| In reply to: re: I started the water bottle as a joke a few days ago - Chromolume 04:16 pm EDT 04/11/21 | |
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| Equating water bottles in theater to voting lines? That’s just unbelievable. You must have little humor in your life and not all jokes please everyone. But to censor on that bases is going too far in my opinion. What is criminal is having to wait in line for hours to vote not the restriction on water distribution by political parties and candidates. I wouldn’t vote if it took over 30 minutes. | |
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| re: Really | |
| Posted by: StageLover 09:04 am EDT 04/12/21 | |
| In reply to: Really - dramedy 04:26 pm EDT 04/11/21 | |
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| "I wouldn’t vote if it took over 30 minutes." Jesus... |
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| re: Really | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 05:08 pm EDT 04/12/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Really - StageLover 09:04 am EDT 04/12/21 | |
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| Yup. As I said, that's exactly why the republicans are trying to pass laws like this - to make it as inconvenient to vote as possible, so people will give up and not vote. Particularly in districts that are heavily democratic and/or racially diverse. The R's are counting on more folks like Dramedy. | |
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| re: Really | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 07:24 pm EDT 04/11/21 | |
| In reply to: Really - dramedy 04:26 pm EDT 04/11/21 | |
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| What is criminal is having to wait in line for hours to vote not the restriction on water distribution by political parties and candidates. Well, it's insult added to injury. To have to stand in the long lines and ALSO be told you can't have water or food during the long wait. I wouldn’t vote if it took over 30 minutes. That's the point. That's EXACTLY what they want you to say. The less people that vote, the more the R's feel they can win. You'd play right into their hands. Think about it. Equating water bottles in theater to voting lines? That’s just unbelievable. You must have little humor in your life. Come on. You've known me for years out here. I really resent that. You can disagree with me, but the attack is totally unwarranted. I stand by my point. If a state can "outlaw" water in that way, having a theatre producer do something similar is perhaps not something so much to joke at any more. But I'm SO glad you can laugh at it. |
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| re: Really | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 09:10 pm EDT 04/11/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Really - Chromolume 07:24 pm EDT 04/11/21 | |
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| Last week the Georgia governor was interviewed on either CNN or MSNBC. He stated that the law is designed to prevent large political groups or organizations from setting up tents near the voting lines and then harassing the opposition (which most likely is made up of white supremacists and far right bigots). He further stated that if an individual in line needed water or food, the law would not prevent a friend or family member from bringing it to him. I don't believe there was any discussion afterward suggesting that the governor was not telling the truth. Of course, there is a lot more to the law than just the part about food and water. There is no doubt that the Georgia legislature and governor want to make it harder for minorities to vote. | |
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| re: Really | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 10:17 pm EDT 04/11/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Really - BroadwayTonyJ 09:10 pm EDT 04/11/21 | |
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| Legal experts who have been studying the law believe that the Governor is mistaken (or is being misleading), and that the law, at best, would allow for an umanned table to be set up with freely available water. This is one of the problems with these laws being written so quickly, often from language created by special interest groups who have an interest in maximizing their political gain. (Not sure if that was the case here, but it's a common practice.) |
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| re: Really | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 10:43 pm EDT 04/11/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Really - Singapore/Fling 10:17 pm EDT 04/11/21 | |
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| I think it's obvious that the law was designed to thwart groups like BLM, which I imagine is legal. If the law actually goes into effect, CNN and MSNBC will have reporters and cameras on the scene to either prevent or record any individual with food and water being stopped. I'm sure the law will be appealed to a higher court. The governor's statement is on the record. I would assume that lawyers for the appeal would quote his exact words in a courtroom. |
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| re: Really | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 11:58 pm EDT 04/11/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Really - BroadwayTonyJ 10:43 pm EDT 04/11/21 | |
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| What matters in the courts is how the law is written and legally interpreted, not what the Governor is saying in the face of serious opposition from major corporations. His statements might be used to alter legislation going forward, but that does not change what the law says or influence how it is interpreted. CNN and MSNBC might take their cameras down there, but they have no legal power and they will not change the way the law is enforced. And the highest court that the case can go to is politically aligned with the people who wrote this legislation in the first place, and I see no reason to expect that a court will strike this law down. |
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| re: Really | |
| Posted by: larry13 09:32 pm EDT 04/11/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Really - BroadwayTonyJ 09:10 pm EDT 04/11/21 | |
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| "He stated that if an individual in line needed water or food, the law would not prevent a friend or family member from bringing it to him." Maybe the individual in line doesn't have a friend or family member to bring him the water or food, whether because these others are also in line or for whatever reason, including that there may not be any friends or family members. And how would it be policed to make sure that the person bringing the sustenance is a friend or family member? | |
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| re: Really | |
| Last Edit: BroadwayTonyJ 10:33 pm EDT 04/11/21 | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 10:30 pm EDT 04/11/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Really - larry13 09:32 pm EDT 04/11/21 | |
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| The governor just said that individuals (but not groups) who bring people in line food or water would not be stopped. The way he explained it is that the law is designed to prevent groups from interacting with people in line to vote. I'm not defending the governor, and I don't like the law. However, I think it's important that we don't post misinformation about it. |
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| The Governor's statement is misinformation | |
| Last Edit: Singapore/Fling 12:08 am EDT 04/12/21 | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 12:07 am EDT 04/12/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Really - BroadwayTonyJ 10:30 pm EDT 04/11/21 | |
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| The Governor is wrong about the law. It expressly forbids individuals from bringing food or water. It only allows for election officials to set up tables, which presumably could have water on them. This is the relevant section of the law, emphasis mine: "(a) No person shall solicit votes in any manner or by any means or method, nor shall any person distribute or display any campaign material, nor shall any person give, offer to give, or participate in the giving of any money or gifts, including, but not limited to, food and drink, to an elector, nor shall any person solicit signatures for any petition, nor shall any person, other than election officials discharging their duties, establish or set up any tables or booths on any day in which ballots are being cast (1) Within 150 feet of the outer edge of any building within which a polling place is" |
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| re: The Governor's statement is misinformation | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 05:25 pm EDT 04/12/21 | |
| In reply to: The Governor's statement is misinformation - Singapore/Fling 12:07 am EDT 04/12/21 | |
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| You're right. What he said in the interview now sounds like a lame excuse to me. He should have vetoed the bill and told the legislature to rewrite the food and drink clause so that it states what he is telling journalists on TV. The clause seems to be defining food and drink as some sort of bribe. Voters who wait in line simply want to have a drink of water or a snack because they're thirsty or hungry after waiting for hours. I think what the governor was saying in the interview was that this law does not apply to a friend or family member giving someone a bottle of water. However, he did specifically mention BLM. The law's reference to food and drink is ridiculous. The simple way to avoid all this nonsense and ridiculous laws is to have enough polling places to avoid long lines and to have a national standard on mail-in voting, which has been done for years in states like Colorado without any problems with fraud. |
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| re: The Governor's statement is misinformation | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 05:55 pm EDT 04/12/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Governor's statement is misinformation - BroadwayTonyJ 05:25 pm EDT 04/12/21 | |
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| Well, that would be the way to do if they actually *wanted* everybody to be able to vote... | |
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| re: The Governor's statement is misinformation | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 07:30 pm EDT 04/12/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Governor's statement is misinformation - Singapore/Fling 05:55 pm EDT 04/12/21 | |
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| Plus, we all know the "fraud" thing is in fact, in itself, fraud. And I think they know that too, but they won't let go of the excuse. | |
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