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| Wasn't calling you out :-) | |
| Last Edit: Singapore/Fling 06:45 pm EDT 04/11/21 | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 06:35 pm EDT 04/11/21 | |
| In reply to: I started the water bottle as a joke a few days ago - dramedy 03:27 pm EDT 04/11/21 | |
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| I wasn't calling you out for the water bottle post, but more the people who responded only to that part and not to the rest. And yeah, I think you're telling the truth in this post. In the last few years, I've learned about the truly terrible and dehumanizing practices of one of my favorite Broadway directors, someone I have admired for nearly 30 years, and I'm finding it very hard to reconcile that information with how much I still love his shows. It's tough, and there aren't necessarily easy answers, but a lot of folks don't even want to entertain the conversation, because they just want to enjoy show and not think about it. (In the same way that I want to enjoy Drag Race and not think about the heinous contract everyone signs to be on the show.) |
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| re: Wasn't calling you out :-) | |
| Posted by: Amiens 07:53 pm EDT 04/11/21 | |
| In reply to: Wasn't calling you out :-) - Singapore/Fling 06:35 pm EDT 04/11/21 | |
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| Singapore/Fling, I admire your passion on this topic and agree with your points. But I note that you and no one else here (except for Billhaven's mention of Gregory Boyd) is naming any of the long-time and apparently well-known current offenders other than Rudin. You alluded to an abusive director above, guilty of "truly terrible and dehumanizing practices" but do you or others here think that actually naming current offenders is inappropriate on an anonymous chat board? The caution in naming names, shows what a complicated situation this is and how difficult it is to progress. Please know, I do understand if posters don't want to be more forthcoming. |
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| re: Wasn't calling you out :-) | |
| Last Edit: Singapore/Fling 10:18 pm EDT 04/11/21 | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 10:12 pm EDT 04/11/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Wasn't calling you out :-) - Amiens 07:53 pm EDT 04/11/21 | |
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| A few days ago, someone else posted that question of who would name names in the current culture, and I almost dropped a name then, but I didn't. And I didn't for the simple reason that the New York theater world is small. I'm fairly anonymous on this site, and I think anything I've posted that would identify me is no longer archived (and would taker a lot of reading to parse a few tidbits here and there); and I doubt that anyone here would readily know who I am, because I've worked in smaller institutions in behind the scenes roles; and I'm not even sure that I want to go back to working in theater once Quarantine lifts... but still, l don't want to take the risk, because what if? It's not so much for fear of the person I'd be naming as it is caring for my relationships to the people who told me these stories, because they might hire me for jobs in the future, or recommend me to someone who might hire me, and I'm not going to risk that, especially when the response to Rudin is a collective shrug. It's frustrating, and I feel powerless and am aware that I'm participating in a system that disgusts me, but there are good parts of it, too, and I like being employed. |
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| re: Wasn't calling you out :-) | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 11:16 pm EDT 04/11/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Wasn't calling you out :-) - Singapore/Fling 10:12 pm EDT 04/11/21 | |
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| Years ago (probably around 1998 through 2010 for sure) whenever I was in a rush line for a Broadway show, there would always be at least one or two people in line with me who were posters on ATC. Sometimes just to make the hours pass, we would try to guess each other's screen name just by talking about theatre. You would be surprised how often total strangers would be able to guess correctly. Once (probably Mar., 2015) I was seated in the St. James theater for an early preview of Something Rotten!. It was during that period when they were offering tickets for around $14. Anyway I began to chat with the young lady sitting next to me -- she was probably in her 20's. Eventually she told me she was an avid ATC lurker and an occasional poster. After about 10 minutes or so of mutual conversation, she correctly told me my screen name -- she said I spoke just the way I posted. It didn't alarm me because it was all in fun. However, when I tried to guess her screen name, she would not confirm or deny my guesses -- she had a real poker face. Of course, that incident was over 6 years ago. In recent years when I have been in various Broadway rush lines, people I chat with usually know little or nothing about this message board, let alone are active posters. Just saying. |
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| re: Wasn't calling you out :-) | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 11:45 pm EDT 04/11/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Wasn't calling you out :-) - BroadwayTonyJ 11:16 pm EDT 04/11/21 | |
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| Almost certainly you're correct that it's zero risk, but an abundance of caution when it comes to the internet has rarely steered people wrong. :-) | |
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| re: Wasn't calling you out :-) | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 07:46 pm EDT 04/11/21 | |
| In reply to: Wasn't calling you out :-) - Singapore/Fling 06:35 pm EDT 04/11/21 | |
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| The same thing goes for James Levine. CAN we enjoy listening to his art without judging him personally? Some people can, some can't. And/or you might be able to do that with some people but not others. What I don't like is when people decide to start judging US outright for the way we decide to handle this on our own. I've seen a lot of shaming posts on opera sites for people who would rather talk about the strength of Levine's career and not deal with the subject of the abusive behaviors. I don't think one person gets to decide for all of us. We all have to come to our own reasoning about things like this. |
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| re: Wasn't calling you out :-) | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 10:14 pm EDT 04/11/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Wasn't calling you out :-) - Chromolume 07:46 pm EDT 04/11/21 | |
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| I have a hard time watching Levine conduct the overtures on the Met Live videos, especially when he makes that face (you know the face). I'm not going to discount the whole opera over him, but I really would love to see the Met re-edit some of those videos so I don't have to look at him. | |
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| re: Wasn't calling you out :-) | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 11:21 pm EDT 04/11/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Wasn't calling you out :-) - Singapore/Fling 10:14 pm EDT 04/11/21 | |
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| Well, when I'm watching TV but don't like the image on the screen, I just look away. :-) | |
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| re: Wasn't calling you out :-) | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 11:51 pm EDT 04/11/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Wasn't calling you out :-) - Chromolume 11:21 pm EDT 04/11/21 | |
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| And I do, or I fast forward to the curtain rising, which solves the problem but deprives me of the overture. But... it'd be nice not to be in the position where someone we now know as a perpetrator in credible allegations of sexual harassment and abuse wasn't just popping up on my TV screen without at least fair warning. I'm curious to see what will happen with films featuring Kevin Spacey. There are some performances of his that I think are iconic and I'll still watch the film ("Usual Suspects", "L.A. Confidential"), but "Baby Driver" was hard to watch even before the allegations came out (though I'd already heard rumors and one first-hand account of Spacey's behavior). I think some good movies are going to fade into oblivion because people just don't want to watch him. |
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