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| Posted by: ryhog 12:35 pm EDT 07/07/21 | |
| In reply to: Any gossip about west side story? - dramedy 11:24 am EDT 07/07/21 | |
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| Every show does not have to hurry to reopen (and IMO it is prudent no to, but that's another matter). In addition to what others have said (finances and Rudin, etc) it should be noted that the remaining producers are also the remaining producers on MM and might not think their two big revivals need to be drawing focus from one another. Or, at some point, award nominations etc. | |
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| re: Any gossip about west side story? | |
| Posted by: writerkev 02:18 pm EDT 07/07/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Any gossip about west side story? - ryhog 12:35 pm EDT 07/07/21 | |
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| When it comes to eventual award nominations, "West Side Story" already had its official opening. So the season for its awards is already a done deal. Right? It's not like producers could choose to keep it on ice for another year, then expect it to compete for Tonys later and pretend they weren't already open. (I guess stranger things have happened, but that would be among the weirdest in in Tony history.) |
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| re: Any gossip about west side story? | |
| Posted by: ryhog 02:40 pm EDT 07/07/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Any gossip about west side story? - writerkev 02:18 pm EDT 07/07/21 | |
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| my recollection (and I have not checked it) is that it opened after the cut off date for the Tonys this year, and that such shows would be eligible in the following year. In other words, it would be like a show that opened after the "normal" cutoff (e.g., in May, June, etc.) | |
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| re: Any gossip about west side story? | |
| Posted by: writerkev 04:00 pm EDT 07/07/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Any gossip about west side story? - ryhog 02:40 pm EDT 07/07/21 | |
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| Right, so it missed the cutoff for "last year" (the "Slave Play" season I'll call it, just because I'm getting confused with the numbers at this point.) It's eligible in this current season, which is the same one as "The Music Man." Right? | |
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| re: Any gossip about west side story? | |
| Posted by: sirpupnyc 04:19 pm EDT 07/07/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Any gossip about west side story? - writerkev 04:00 pm EDT 07/07/21 | |
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| Well, the cutoff was retroactively set to the day before WSS had opened. But yes, WSS and GFNC are part of "this" season, which will run from 2/20/20 to (presumably) the last week of April 2022. |
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| re: Any gossip about west side story? | |
| Last Edit: WaymanWong 04:48 pm EDT 07/07/21 | |
| Posted by: WaymanWong 04:35 pm EDT 07/07/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Any gossip about west side story? - sirpupnyc 04:19 pm EDT 07/07/21 | |
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| You're right. The Tony cutoff was Feb. 19, 2020. ''West Side Story'' opened on Feb. 20. Even though the Broadway shutdown happened March 12, it was determined that not enough of the Tony voters would've had a chance to see it. ''West Side Story'' caught a bad break. It was originally set to open Feb. 6. Its debut was delayed due to Isaac Powell's knee injury in December. Had it opened Feb. 6, maybe it might've made the 2019-20 cutoff and been the only Tony-eligible Musical Revival. (And Best Actor in a Musical would've been a head-to-head showdown between Powell and Aaron Tveit, instead of a one-man race for Tveit.) |
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| I assume rudin influenced that cut off date | |
| Posted by: dramedy 05:39 pm EDT 07/07/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Any gossip about west side story? - WaymanWong 04:35 pm EDT 07/07/21 | |
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| So that his show wouldn’t qualify. I could be completely wrong, but the feb 19 date wasn’t announced until august so I think there was a lot of back room politicking on that date and I assume rudin was part of those discussions. | |
| Link | https://broadwaynews.com/2020/08/21/tony-awards-to-announce-february-eligibility-cutoff-date/ |
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| re: I assume rudin influenced that cut off date | |
| Posted by: sirpupnyc 06:51 pm EDT 07/07/21 | |
| In reply to: I assume rudin influenced that cut off date - dramedy 05:39 pm EDT 07/07/21 | |
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| It's a rather random date to have picked if not. And yet it's probably true that significant numbers of nominators and voters hadn't seen it yet. (Voters, at least.) Saying January 31 would have been less obviously "we're carving out WSS because Rudin told us to", though. And yet it's hard to see how it was really a plus for him. |
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| My guess is wws would compete with revival plays | |
| Posted by: dramedy 07:26 pm EDT 07/07/21 | |
| In reply to: re: I assume rudin influenced that cut off date - sirpupnyc 06:51 pm EDT 07/07/21 | |
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| I doubt that tony committee would have just allowed one show in the category. I think acting is a little different with Tveit. I think revival would be combined so that WSS would have taken the Frankie and Johnny slot. Betrayal and soldiers play got solid reviews. | |
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| re: My guess is wws would compete with revival plays | |
| Posted by: WaymanWong 08:19 pm EDT 07/07/21 | |
| In reply to: My guess is wws would compete with revival plays - dramedy 07:26 pm EDT 07/07/21 | |
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| I agree. If ''West Side Story'' were eligible, the Tonys would've reverted to a single revival category, encompassing plays and musicals. After all, that's how it was from 1977 to 1993. The Tonys only began have separate Best Play Revival and Best Musical Revival prizes in 1994. |
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| You are probably right | |
| Posted by: dramedy 02:49 pm EDT 07/07/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Any gossip about west side story? - ryhog 02:40 pm EDT 07/07/21 | |
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| I just assumed that the new season starts sept 2, but I don’t think north county will have another opening date so it’s original date in early 2020 counts for this current season. WWS would probably be the same even if they delayed starting in 2023. | |
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| re: You are probably right | |
| Posted by: writerkev 03:55 pm EDT 07/07/21 | |
| In reply to: You are probably right - dramedy 02:49 pm EDT 07/07/21 | |
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| And, of course, this is history repeating. These two shows went head-to-head at the Tonys in their original productions. | |
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| And, of course, | |
| Posted by: dramedy 04:25 pm EDT 07/07/21 | |
| In reply to: re: You are probably right - writerkev 03:55 pm EDT 07/07/21 | |
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| I didn’t know that. That should be jeopardy trivia that very few would get. | |
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| Since it didn’t make the cutoff for 19/20 tony season | |
| Posted by: dramedy 02:38 pm EDT 07/07/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Any gossip about west side story? - writerkev 02:18 pm EDT 07/07/21 | |
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| It would qualify for what ever season it opened during a Tony award period. I doubt lead male in WSS could beat jackman unless he is terrible. MM will probably nearly sold out for run son it doesn’t need the tony revival—WSS might have cooled in sales by June and could use the boost. |
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| re: Since it didn’t make the cutoff for 19/20 tony season | |
| Last Edit: WaymanWong 04:43 pm EDT 07/07/21 | |
| Posted by: WaymanWong 04:42 pm EDT 07/07/21 | |
| In reply to: Since it didn’t make the cutoff for 19/20 tony season - dramedy 02:38 pm EDT 07/07/21 | |
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| It's hard to imagine that Jackman would be anything but terrific as Hill. It'll be a challenge for Isaac Powell or Rob McClure, etc., to win that Tony. | |
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| We can never forecast if an errant tweet | |
| Posted by: dramedy 05:41 pm EDT 07/07/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Since it didn’t make the cutoff for 19/20 tony season - WaymanWong 04:42 pm EDT 07/07/21 | |
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| Changes the voters minds! | |
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| I can only assume | |
| Posted by: dramedy 01:44 pm EDT 07/07/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Any gossip about west side story? - ryhog 12:35 pm EDT 07/07/21 | |
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| Shows are selling well. I doubt the weisslers would fund waitress if shows weren’t selling well. Although Chicago is only a 3 day a week performance schedule (5-6 shows) this fall. Seems like if tickets were selling that well they would add performances to Chicago first. | |
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| re: I can only assume | |
| Posted by: ryhog 02:42 pm EDT 07/07/21 | |
| In reply to: I can only assume - dramedy 01:44 pm EDT 07/07/21 | |
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| I would not assume that. There are other reasons including grants, loans, tax credits, etc. It's a complicated bit of navigation. | |
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