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| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 10:44 pm EDT 07/08/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Faye Dunaway replaces Vanessa Redgrave in new Kevin Spacey film. - MockingbirdGirl 09:05 pm EDT 07/08/21 | |
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| I really don't see how either of those outcomes would be preferable to steering clear and keeping her dignity. She lost her dignity at the Oscars a few years ago, and despite a gutsy attempt, failed to regain it at the Oscars the following year. Then she lost her dignity again with the debacle that was the new production of TEA AT FIVE, by the litiginous Matthew Lombardo. I agree that, at this point, Dunaway has nothing further to lose -- except her dignity, AGAIN. |
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| re: Faye Dunaway replaces Vanessa Redgrave in new Kevin Spacey film. | |
| Posted by: Billhaven 10:54 pm EDT 07/08/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Faye Dunaway replaces Vanessa Redgrave in new Kevin Spacey film. - Michael_Portantiere 10:44 pm EDT 07/08/21 | |
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| Faye has behaved miserably for many years but she can’t be blamed for the La La Land debacle at the Oscars. Warren Beatty sloughed off his responsibility and caused her to be the fall guy. They both were handed the wrong envelope. | |
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| re: Faye Dunaway replaces Vanessa Redgrave in new Kevin Spacey film. | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 11:07 am EDT 07/09/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Faye Dunaway replaces Vanessa Redgrave in new Kevin Spacey film. - Billhaven 10:54 pm EDT 07/08/21 | |
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| Faye has behaved miserably for many years but she can’t be blamed for the La La Land debacle at the Oscars. Warren Beatty sloughed off his responsibility and caused her to be the fall guy. After just now re-watching the clip, I would say you're right about that -- my memory was that Faye took the card out of Beatty's hand when he hesitated, but in reality, he HANDED it to her. So I apologize for putting that shocking gaffe on her. That said, yes, she has indeed behaved miserably on many other occasions, and has received publicity for it :-( |
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| re: Faye Dunaway replaces Vanessa Redgrave in new Kevin Spacey film. | |
| Posted by: shocktheatre 05:27 pm EDT 07/09/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Faye Dunaway replaces Vanessa Redgrave in new Kevin Spacey film. - Michael_Portantiere 11:07 am EDT 07/09/21 | |
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| I don't believe anyone sincerely blames either Dunaway or Beatty for the Oscar fiasco. That has not caused her decline. | |
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| Exactly | |
| Posted by: DistantDrumming 03:45 am EDT 07/09/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Faye Dunaway replaces Vanessa Redgrave in new Kevin Spacey film. - Billhaven 10:54 pm EDT 07/08/21 | |
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| I mean, don't get me wrong. I know every waiter and retail clerk and PA in LA probably has a Faye story, but the Oscars debacle was not her fault. And, she and Warren seemed to be very well received when they returned the next year. | |
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| She'll always have "The Wicked Lady" | |
| Posted by: shocktheatre 07:36 pm EDT 07/12/21 | |
| In reply to: Exactly - DistantDrumming 03:45 am EDT 07/09/21 | |
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| And so will I. | |
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| re: Exactly | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 07:30 pm EDT 07/09/21 | |
| In reply to: Exactly - DistantDrumming 03:45 am EDT 07/09/21 | |
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| I should not have implied that the Oscars debacle was Dunaway's fault. But she was complicit in what happened because, when Beatty hesitated to read the winner (because they had been handed the wrong card), she egged him on by saying "Come on!" just as he handed it to her....and the rest is history. Also, if she had been more together, she would have noticed that what was written on the card indicated that something was very, very wrong, and she or he would have asked for a clarification -- which is what it seemed like he was about to do when he looked offstage while hesitating to read the winner. | |
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| re: Exactly | |
| Posted by: Billhaven 08:37 am EDT 07/10/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Exactly - Michael_Portantiere 07:30 pm EDT 07/09/21 | |
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| You just won't cut Faye a break. "Complicit"? A word that is defined as "helping to commit a crime or do wrong in some way He was complicit in the cover-up." Dunaway and Beatty probably should have worn their glasses but being big movie stars of a certain age and not having had any attention for quite a few years, they weren't, perhaps, as comfortable as they could have been. "If she had been more together". She's an old lady desperately clinging to the spotlight. It probably took her 4 hours to get dressed, coiffed and made up. She waited hours for her one moment in the spotlight. She did not cause the mistake. If anyone should have spoken up it was Beatty. blame her for throwing salads and overacting and shrieking at assistants but don't pin any part of the Oscar mess on her. The PriceWaterhouse people fell down on the job. I was amazed that you had taken back your comments about Dunaway but I should have waited. You always have the last word (even when you have been proven wrong. I await your last word. |
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| re: Exactly | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 09:18 am EDT 07/10/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Exactly - Billhaven 08:37 am EDT 07/10/21 | |
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| Keep waiting. And, to paraphrase a line from AUNTIE MAME (and MAME), please feel free to hold your breath while doing so :-) ................are you still waiting?........................ ............... are you still waiting?........................ Okay then. The definition for "complicit" that you yourself provided is "helping to commit a crime OR do wrong in some say." I would say that something very wrong happened at the Oscars that night, and Dunaway bore SOME responsibility for it because she didn't look at the card closely enough to see that something was not right. Apparently, even the fact that Beatty stopped reading in mid-sentence, hesitated for a LONG moment, and then looked offstage for guidance wasn't enough to clue her in that something was terribly amiss. Rather, she just went ahead and announced the name of the movie that she read on the card, even though the card was for another category. I do agree with you that, although this was a terrible mistake, it WAS a mistake rather than intentional (of course), and it wasn't primarily her fault. For those reasons, I agree that it's nowhere near as bad as the other behavioral incidents you alluded to. But the Oscars debacle was an extremely high profile example of how this person no longer has the wherewithal for public appearances, and the other inicidents indicate that neither does she have enough control to keep acting in situations where she has to work with other human beings. So I do wish people would stop hiring her to do either, thereby avoiding further extreme unpleasantness and embarrassment. |
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| re: Exactly | |
| Posted by: Billhaven 10:13 am EDT 07/10/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Exactly - Michael_Portantiere 09:18 am EDT 07/10/21 | |
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| You never disappoint. Let's ban Warren Beatty, too. No longer has he the wherewithal for public appearances. And all the presenters who don't have the wherewithal to practice pronouncing the names of the nominees. And Jimmy Kimmel, who should have run on stage and corrected the Oscar situation. Too bad Elizabeth Taylor is dead. She mispronounces Jimmy Nederlander's name at the Tonys. I would have banned her from our public airwaves. | |
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| re: Exactly | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 06:15 pm EDT 07/10/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Exactly - Billhaven 10:13 am EDT 07/10/21 | |
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| At this point, you are babbling and indulging in straw man arguments. I never said Warren Beatty should be "banned." On the contrary, I give him credit for pausing and looking offstage for help at the Oscars, though it is unfortunate that he then handed the card to Dunaway :-( Neither would I say that people who have mispronounced the names of awards winners should be "banned," although I do think it behooves anyone who gets such an assignment to try VERY HARD to make sure they learn the correct pronunciation, so they can fulfill their assignment correctly. On a related note, I was quite amazed that Steve Harvey survived his Miss Universe debacle unscathed, but he certainly did, so I guess all bets have been off since then. |
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| Posted by: Chromolume 01:45 pm EDT 07/10/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Exactly - Billhaven 10:13 am EDT 07/10/21 | |
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| Well, good. Anyone else you'd like to ban while you're on this tirade? | |
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| re: Exactly | |
| Posted by: Jax 08:30 pm EDT 07/09/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Exactly - Michael_Portantiere 07:30 pm EDT 07/09/21 | |
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| For me this issue has become WHY can't you just let it go? She read the wrong winner (not her fault) at the Oscars years ago and you're simply hectoring her about it, i,e, she's "complicit." What are you, a district attorney? Faye Dunaway was apparently a tough cookie who turned in a number of flawless performances (Bonnie, Chinatown, Network, Streetcar on stage etc). She's quite old now and still wants to work. Why work so hard to mock her? Would you do so with an older actor (Harrison Ford, Michael Douglas) who continues to make films? There's a fair amount of misogyny and ageism on this board, witness the catty remarks below about Carroll Baker. I say cut her a break and give Ms. Dunaway a rest. |
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| I also loved her in "Supergirl" | |
| Posted by: shocktheatre 07:58 pm EDT 07/12/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Exactly - Jax 08:30 pm EDT 07/09/21 | |
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| I mean, give Faye some due. | |
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| re: Exactly | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 08:44 pm EDT 07/09/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Exactly - Jax 08:30 pm EDT 07/09/21 | |
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| Jax, you are (offensively) reading a lot of content into my remarks -- including misogyny -- that is simply not there. I'm sure I would be way more forgiving of Dunaway for her part in the Oscars debacle if that were an isolated incident, but it most decidedly was not. And if you don't know what I'm referring to, I invite you to spend some time Googling about her, specifically about her behavior during TEA AT FIVE. | |
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| re: Exactly | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 08:33 pm EDT 07/09/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Exactly - Jax 08:30 pm EDT 07/09/21 | |
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| I'm sure Dunaway's performances weren't "flawless." Whose are? But more to the point, she has made herself a reputation for being impossible to work with. She clearly does NOT want to work, or she would treat her colleagues accordingly. She's not worth defending. |
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