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| Andrew Lloyd Webber's Cinderella Closes in the West End | |
| Posted by: Gregv212 11:53 am EDT 07/19/21 | |
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| Andrew Lloyd Webber's Cinderella Closes in the West End | |
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| re: Andrew Lloyd Webber's Cinderella Closes in the West End | |
| Posted by: GavinLogan1 11:54 pm EDT 07/19/21 | |
| In reply to: Andrew Lloyd Webber's Cinderella Closes in the West End - Gregv212 11:53 am EDT 07/19/21 | |
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| From what I gathered, the show is still going to open, but just not for a while now. Carrie Hope Fletcher's Instagram story implied as much... I don't believe that it's closed for good. I could be wrong. |
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| Posted by: lonlad 05:05 am EDT 07/20/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Andrew Lloyd Webber's Cinderella Closes in the West End - GavinLogan1 11:54 pm EDT 07/19/21 | |
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| It's not closing -- it's just not opening THIS WEEK. Press previews are being organised as I write this, so let's hope with this ill-fated show that they are fourth time lucky. ALW is certainly bilking this for all its worth. | |
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| Any sense of how the show was doing financially? | |
| Posted by: mikem 09:06 pm EDT 07/19/21 | |
| In reply to: Andrew Lloyd Webber's Cinderella Closes in the West End - Gregv212 11:53 am EDT 07/19/21 | |
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| Does anyone have a sense of how the show was doing financially? Is this a mechanism/excuse to close a show that was likely to lose its entire investment, or did the show seem to be well-received so far? | |
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| re: Andrew Lloyd Webber's Cinderella Closes in the West End | |
| Posted by: Live_From_London 07:23 pm EDT 07/19/21 | |
| In reply to: Andrew Lloyd Webber's Cinderella Closes in the West End - Gregv212 11:53 am EDT 07/19/21 | |
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| In their time off, they need to really overhaul the show. The book's a mess, the music sounds terrible through the preprogrammed synths, add some live percussion, decide who the audience is, because it sounds like a child friendly show when it's not really, and mainly, get a director who knows how to shape a brand new show into something that makes sense. Its shocking that David Zippel can write something witty and clever like City of Angels and then write this load of tosh. Terrible. |
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| re: Andrew Lloyd Webber's Cinderella Closes in the West End | |
| Posted by: GavinLogan1 12:01 am EDT 07/20/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Andrew Lloyd Webber's Cinderella Closes in the West End - Live_From_London 07:23 pm EDT 07/19/21 | |
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| I'm a big Lloyd Webber fan-- I'll start with that. I got the music on the day it was released digitally, and had a quick listen to 3-4 songs, and found them to be alternately charming, then unmelodic, then jarringly 'synthetic', then lush... I wasn't paying it to much attention, as I was busy with my kids, but I thought it was a bit of a hodge-podge. However, on the second listen (and subsequent ones, as I am now on my 10th or 11th listen) I find it a really clever melange of styles, but each one is applied to a particular character or attitude...I am rather enjoying it a lot, and I find David Zippel's lyrics almost entirely hilarious, touching, goofy, and fun-- I really enjoy his wit. I can't speak to the book or the sound of the music IN the theatre, but the pre-recorded concept album has me very pleased. I am surprised the book is 'a mess', considering Fennell's credits... As for my initial reactions-- that happens to me quite often with new shows. I find many of them difficult to 'get into' on one listen... my brain has to be come familiar with the recitative, with the motifs and how they appear... the first time I ever heard "Evita", it sounded like jarringly random notes to my 17-year-old ear, but within days I was enraptured. I had to same reaction to "The Light in the Piazza" and "Sunday In The Park With George". I'm certainly NOT saying "Cinderella" is in that league... but just the same, I find it takes a few listens and one really warms up to it. My daughters won't stop singing it, either... and not just the 'big tunes', but the recitative and more conversational melodies...they are 8 and 5. Anyway... As an ALW fan my liking it is not shocking, but I thought I'd throw my 0.02 in. :) |
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| re: Andrew Lloyd Webber's Cinderella Closes in the West End | |
| Posted by: Live_From_London 08:55 am EDT 07/20/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Andrew Lloyd Webber's Cinderella Closes in the West End - GavinLogan1 12:01 am EDT 07/20/21 | |
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| I look forward to hearing about the first time one of your daughters say, 'you're a knob!' lol There have been a few changes to the score since it was recorded. Some of the big numbers and orchestral pieces were recorded at Abbey Road studios, so some of it does sound lush, but there are 7 people in the band at the theatre. The well/bird bit has been cut, there is no longer a 'phallus' on the statue, Charming's only song about the 3 headed sea witch has been cut, which basically makes him a walk on part with a few lines. Unfortunately the Queen still sings about how well equipped her son is.......the Godmother role goes no where, Cinderella was meant to be 'modern take' but she spends what little time she is on stage in Act 2 trying to get her man. Some of it was amusing, but that was when when someone called someone a bitch, or similar basic humour. The Stepmother is very funny onstage, but i'm not sure that comes across on the recording. For some reason, the role of Cinderella has an 'alternate' for certain performances. It's hardly Evita! Lawrence Connor has no experience of shaping a new show from scratch and it needs someone who can say, no, this isnt working and needs to be changed. I wonder if he can do that with ALW. Emerald Fennel is a great writer, but this is her first book for a stage show and It needs some shaping. If only it had some of the dark wit of Killing Eve! |
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| re: there are 7 people in the band at the theatre | |
| Posted by: pecansforall 03:31 pm EDT 07/20/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Andrew Lloyd Webber's Cinderella Closes in the West End - Live_From_London 08:55 am EDT 07/20/21 | |
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| Only 7 people in the band? Ridiculous. This is what keeps me from going to see most musicals these days. | |
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| re: there are 7 people in the band at the theatre | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 06:00 pm EDT 07/20/21 | |
| In reply to: re: there are 7 people in the band at the theatre - pecansforall 03:31 pm EDT 07/20/21 | |
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| Speaking as a musical director and musician, I wish you could say that louder and more often. Especially so that producers/directors of regional companies could hear it loud and clear. Thank you. :-) | |
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| re: Andrew Lloyd Webber's Cinderella Closes in the West End | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 01:30 pm EDT 07/19/21 | |
| In reply to: Andrew Lloyd Webber's Cinderella Closes in the West End - Gregv212 11:53 am EDT 07/19/21 | |
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| Galling that he refers to the piece as "My Cinderella" in his press release. As if no one else collaborated. | |
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| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 05:44 pm EDT 07/19/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Andrew Lloyd Webber's Cinderella Closes in the West End - Chromolume 01:30 pm EDT 07/19/21 | |
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| Galling that he refers to the piece as "My Cinderella" in his press release. As if no one else collaborated. ALW is very good at making galling statements of all types. |
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| re: Andrew Lloyd Webber's Cinderella Closes in the West End | |
| Last Edit: writerkev 03:34 pm EDT 07/19/21 | |
| Posted by: writerkev 03:33 pm EDT 07/19/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Andrew Lloyd Webber's Cinderella Closes in the West End - Chromolume 01:30 pm EDT 07/19/21 | |
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| Sounds like a case of "Fine, then I'm taking my ball and going home!" I think he expects this announcement to strike fear in the hearts of the Establishment. The only reaction can be a fearful apology from Downing Street (or the Palace) and complete capitulation to his version of reality. I think he believes this bold gambit will put an end to all the nonsense, and he can open the show and everything will be like 2019 again. |
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| re: Not if you look at the big picture.... | |
| Posted by: bway1430 03:07 am EDT 07/20/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Andrew Lloyd Webber's Cinderella Closes in the West End - writerkev 03:33 pm EDT 07/19/21 | |
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| ALW is saying out loud what a LOT of folks are thinking and where a great backlash is brewing.... He is absolutely correct that the new rules actually make it virtually impossible for anyone to run a business. Besides his show (and others like HAIRSPRAY and PRINCE OF EGYPT), we have seen the temporary and immediate closures of everything from restaurants to train lines. This all down to the new system of checking-in with an app so you can be notified if someone at that establishment has tested positive when you were there. Getting 'pinged' means you have to self-isolate for 10 days, even if you have a negative test and even if you have been fully vaccinated. Thanks to this new 'pingdemic' as it is commonly known, everything has been thrown into chaos. You cannot really make plans to do anything whether it is booking a table at your local cafe, buying a ticket to a show or planning a vacation. |
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| The contrast with how the Bridge Theatre handled the same situation is certainly striking | |
| Posted by: MockingbirdGirl 04:28 pm EDT 07/19/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Andrew Lloyd Webber's Cinderella Closes in the West End - writerkev 03:33 pm EDT 07/19/21 | |
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| Despite thorough precautions in place at The Bridge, were made aware of a suspected positive case of COVID-19 within the team working on Bach & Sons. To ensure the safety of our audiences and colleagues, we are cancelling the performances from 12 July to 17 July inclusive. As usual customer are entitled to an exchange, account credit or full refund. We appreciate your patience as we work through responses. We are deeply sorry that your performance cannot go ahead, but we hope you'll be able to join us another time. |
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| re: Andrew Lloyd Webber's Cinderella Closes in the West End | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 04:11 pm EDT 07/19/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Andrew Lloyd Webber's Cinderella Closes in the West End - writerkev 03:33 pm EDT 07/19/21 | |
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| Sounds like a case of "Fine, then I'm taking my ball and going home!" I see what you did there - though I don't know if that was intentional lol. |
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| re: Andrew Lloyd Webber's Cinderella Closes in the West End | |
| Posted by: writerkev 04:19 pm EDT 07/19/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Andrew Lloyd Webber's Cinderella Closes in the West End - Chromolume 04:11 pm EDT 07/19/21 | |
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| It truly wasn't... :^) | |
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| re: Andrew Lloyd Webber's Cinderella Closes in the West End | |
| Last Edit: KingSpeed 02:11 pm EDT 07/19/21 | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 02:10 pm EDT 07/19/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Andrew Lloyd Webber's Cinderella Closes in the West End - Chromolume 01:30 pm EDT 07/19/21 | |
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| It’s always been like that. ALW’s Starlight Express, ALW’s Phantom. So weird. Why don’t the lyricists get credit? | |
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| re: Andrew Lloyd Webber's Cinderella Closes in the West End | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 02:24 pm EDT 07/19/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Andrew Lloyd Webber's Cinderella Closes in the West End - KingSpeed 02:10 pm EDT 07/19/21 | |
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| Lyricists often don't get credit when shows are mentioned, unless they're part of an established team. But the "my" in this case feels even worse - ignoring not just the other writers but the whole company that is now losing work. A simple "OUR Cinderella" would have been so easy to say. Even wearing his producer hat. I mean, I can't think of the last time I've heard a producer say something like "I regret that we must close my production of [show]" - more commonly they'll say "our." It's just common courtesy. |
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| re: Andrew Lloyd Webber's Cinderella Closes in the West End | |
| Last Edit: Leon_W 12:00 pm EDT 07/19/21 | |
| Posted by: Leon_W 11:58 am EDT 07/19/21 | |
| In reply to: Andrew Lloyd Webber's Cinderella Closes in the West End - Gregv212 11:53 am EDT 07/19/21 | |
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| I was just about to post about this. One positive Covid test has killed the show completely. Really shocking. I expect they will mount it elsewhere, an announcement in the coming weeks for Broadway for 2022 wouldn’t surprise me. | |
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| I think rudin was attached to broadway transfer | |
| Posted by: dramedy 12:10 pm EDT 07/19/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Andrew Lloyd Webber's Cinderella Closes in the West End - Leon_W 11:58 am EDT 07/19/21 | |
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| Before covid. I believe he wanted to continue using the shubert by moving out mockingbird. Of course all that changed. Someone posted the London has a new law/mandate in august where one covid result wouldn’t shut down but isolate the individual. That may have changed. |
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| How the current rule works | |
| Posted by: Leon_W 12:16 pm EDT 07/19/21 | |
| In reply to: I think rudin was attached to broadway transfer - dramedy 12:10 pm EDT 07/19/21 | |
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| If you are in contact. as in the same address, as someone that is positive then you have to isolate for ten days. The NHS app pings and tells you that. The UK prime minister was caught out by this last week and said he would take a test everyday instead of isolating but there was an uproar against himself skirting the rules that everyone else has to abide me. Boris is currently isolating. There is no doubt that this decision was made because they could stop performances for ten days but then what if there was another positive result. They can’t keep doing that. I am not sure why things are different for his production of Joseph that is going ahead though. |
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| Rules are due to change on Aug. 16 | |
| Posted by: MockingbirdGirl 12:54 pm EDT 07/19/21 | |
| In reply to: How the current rule works - Leon_W 12:16 pm EDT 07/19/21 | |
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| According to the current plan, from 16 August, workers who come into contact with someone who has Covid only have to self-isolate if they test positive themselves. Of course, it's not hard to envision the consequences of "Freedom Day" preluding that from taking effect. I, too, would recommend not buying tickets until we see how this all shakes out. |
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| England only not the whole UK. Covid is presumed to behave and spread differently in Wales, Scotland and NI, each of which have their own different rules. nmi | |
| Posted by: young-walsingham 01:27 pm EDT 07/19/21 | |
| In reply to: Rules are due to change on Aug. 16 - MockingbirdGirl 12:54 pm EDT 07/19/21 | |
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| nm | |
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