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| ALW's Cinderella back in London on August 18th | |
| Posted by: Leon_W 10:35 am EDT 07/23/21 | |
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| Some people spent eight million pounds on the show so I guess they are not ready to lose their money without more of a fight. | |
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| Entirely predictable | |
| Posted by: sf 11:02 am EDT 07/23/21 | |
| In reply to: ALW's Cinderella back in London on August 18th - Leon_W 10:35 am EDT 07/23/21 | |
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| After August 16th, people who have been fully vaccinated for more than 14 days will no longer have to self-isolate if they're pinged by the Test ad Trace service. They'll be asked to take a PCR test, and will only have to self-isolate if the test is positive. Of course Lloyd Webber was going to reopen the show after the 16th. His little tantrum the other day was all about trying to pressure the government into bringing this change forward. There was never any possibility of him closing the production for good before it had even opened. If, as is possible, the government reviews this change on August 9th and decides not to go ahead with it, I'd have popcorn ready. The fireworks will be spectacular. Lloyd Webber may very well self-immolate. |
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| re: Read any UK based news site.... | |
| Posted by: bway1430 08:08 am EDT 07/25/21 | |
| In reply to: Entirely predictable - sf 11:02 am EDT 07/23/21 | |
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| and you will see that ALW is not the only one going ballistic over the new 'pingdemic'. We have had the closing of rail lines, emergency workers being kept off-duty, loads of businesses shut due to staff shortages and empty food shelves in supermarkets thanks to the latest notification scheme - things far more serious than a few shows being postponed. ALW is only one of many who are rightfully speaking up and demanding change. Keep your popcorn for better things. This isn't entertaining to most of us. |
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| !!!! | |
| Posted by: sf 11:51 am EDT 07/25/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Read any UK based news site.... - bway1430 08:08 am EDT 07/25/21 | |
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| I live just outside London. Thank you for your condescension, but I'm perfectly well aware of what is going on all around me. Yes, absolutely a shockingly large number of people are being contacted by Test and Trace and being advised to self-isolate. The word pingdemic" is nastily cynical spin: far easier to blame the Test and Trace system for the disruption than to confront the fact that the government have taken their hands off the steering wheel again. Demanding that the rules be relaxed is not the answer; from a public health perspective, which is the only perspective that matters during a pandemic, the correct response is to work to bring the rate of infection down. Since the government has just essentially ended almost all restrictions, the R number probably isn't going to drop as quickly as it needs to, so the next move is to persuade us all to blame something else. And since this government won an 80-seat majority on the back of a manifesto pledge to strip a set of established rights from every single one of us, it's probably reasonable for them to be confident that there's no shortage of gullible idiots willing to fall hook, line, and sinker for a *very* obvious piece of spin. The rest of Europe is also in the middle of a pandemic, but our neighbours aren't currently experiencing the level of disruption we are - and I'm afraid the difference is that most of our neighbours don't have governments as incompetent as ours (and, in terms of the food supply chain, our neighbours haven't created such an unpleasantly toxic, racist environment for EU migrants that thousands upon thousands of them have chosen to leave, leading to a huge labour shortage in the food production and distribution network). We're experiencing this disruption because our government removed measures designed to keep us safe before it was prudent to do so. It's that simple. You're right about one thing - it isn't remotely entertaining. Or rather, it isn't remotely entertaining to watch a procession of fools blame the test-and-trace system for this mess. As for the rest of it, the sharp rise in the number of 'pings' is a symptom of the problem, not the cause. Bring down the infection rate, and the other problems will solve themselves. |
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| re: Thats just it.... | |
| Posted by: bway1430 03:35 am EDT 07/26/21 | |
| In reply to: !!!! - sf 11:51 am EDT 07/25/21 | |
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| Infection rates ARE going down. A spike was expected once rules were relaxed (and we still await that data) but the numbers to watch are how many who test poisitive were hospitalized or worse. The truth is that covid will be with us for at least a few more years before we become endemic. The track and trace served it's purpose early on but it is absolutely ridiculous to keep it now given the numbers of fully vaccinated people. Does that sound callous about those getting ill who are unvaccinated? Perhaps. But they are the ones putting themselves in danger. They have a choice: opt in to get vaccinated or play Russian roulette with their own health. The government can't fix that short of making vaccinations mandatory (and I would have no problem with that whatsoever). We agree in that the government has completely botched things and created mixed messages around covid that have caused confusion and chaos....and going back to the original argument, that is exactly what ALW was pissed off about and why he pulled his show until the next level of restrictions are done away with. |
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| re: Thats just it.... | |
| Posted by: sf 12:12 pm EDT 07/26/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Thats just it.... - bway1430 03:35 am EDT 07/26/21 | |
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| Infection rates weren't going down at the beginning of last week when Lloyd Webber threw his little tantrum. They're going down now, but they haven't been going down for long enough to know whether it's a sustained trend or just a blip, and we aren't far enough past the end of restrictions last week to factor that into the equation. If cases are on a sustained downward trend now, given the number of people who have been asked to self-isolate, it's probably because the test and trace system is working as intended. Yes, we're going to be living with this for a while. Yes, I'm appalled that younger people are being so slow to come forward and get vaccinated. I'm also appalled at the number of self-absorbed morons I see in indoor public spaces without masks on, because that's not going to get us out of this any faster, and it's not going to make places like theatres safer (as far as I'm concerned, vaccine passports should be mandatory and the rule in theatres and cinemas and on public transport should be no mask, no entry, no exceptions). And YES, as I said, there's no shortage of gullible idiots willing to fall for a very obvious piece of spin. If the test and trace system is helping bring down the infection rate, given that our government has (stupidly) flushed away most other protective measures, now is NOT the time to do away with it. |
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| Thank you moderators for removing the suicide 'joke'... | |
| Posted by: J.Collins 09:18 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: Entirely predictable - sf 11:02 am EDT 07/23/21 | |
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| I hope the poster has been suitably reprimanded | |
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| re: Thank you moderators for removing the suicide 'joke'... | |
| Posted by: Devin 02:19 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: Thank you moderators for removing the suicide 'joke'... - J.Collins 09:18 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| However, the original post joking about self-immolation by sf remains. | |
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| re: Thank you moderators for removing the suicide 'joke'... | |
| Posted by: Sam890 09:22 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: Thank you moderators for removing the suicide 'joke'... - J.Collins 09:18 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| I agree. A bit of a low point for Mr Portantiere, I'm afraid | |
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| re: Thank you moderators for removing the suicide 'joke'... | |
| Posted by: StageLover 07:26 am EDT 07/25/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Thank you moderators for removing the suicide 'joke'... - Sam890 09:22 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| Not the first, I assure you. | |
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| The Hatred | |
| Posted by: Jax 06:50 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Thank you moderators for removing the suicide 'joke'... - Sam890 09:22 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| The hatred exhibited towards ALW is a bit ridiculous. There are worse composers (Frank Wildhorn) and worse producers (Scott Rudin). Those posting their over the top loathing are, I fear, telling us more about themselves than they are about Mr. Weber. | |
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| re: The Hatred | |
| Posted by: sf 08:44 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: The Hatred - Jax 06:50 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| "There are worse composers (Frank Wildhorn)" For what it's worth, I had a better time at 'Death Note' than I did at 'Whistle Down The Wind'. |
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| re: The Hatred | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 01:23 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Hatred - sf 08:44 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| I loved WDTW. Saw it twice on West End. Great music, moving story. | |
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| re: The Hatred | |
| Posted by: ryhog 08:09 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: The Hatred - Jax 06:50 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| With the exception of one intemperate post that's long gone, where are these over the top posts? People have not been carping about ALW as a composer in this thread. You are deflecting. People are criticizing him for being a lousy human being, and a childish embarrassing fool. We are talking about someone who has repeatedly made it clear that economics are more important than human life. I think we are allowed to hate psychopaths. You are defending a man who proposed spraying audiences with toxic chemicals. That's what I see as ridiculous. Yes, not giving a shit about safety is grounds for loathing in my world. And if people are laughing at what a silly fool he has been over the last few months, that's not hatred, it's a nervous reaction to obscure the embarrassment many of us feel for the behavior of a man with a public persona as large as his. He reflects adversely on everyone in this business. | |
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| re: The Hatred | |
| Posted by: Devin 01:30 am EDT 07/25/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Hatred - ryhog 08:09 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| Yeah, where the hell are these over the top posts? They are so hard to find! | |
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| re: The Hatred | |
| Posted by: Roman 01:07 am EDT 07/26/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Hatred - Devin 01:30 am EDT 07/25/21 | |
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| Ha ha. | |
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| re: Touche' | |
| Posted by: bway1430 03:11 am EDT 07/25/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Hatred - Devin 01:30 am EDT 07/25/21 | |
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| I heard that mic drop all the way from London. :-) |
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| re: The Hatred | |
| Last Edit: Leon_W 09:51 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
| Posted by: Leon_W 09:50 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Hatred - ryhog 08:09 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| “ where are these over the top posts?” Constantly every time he is mentioned. You in particular scream and shout and froth at the mouth at the mention at his name. This man has given us Jesus Christ Superstar, Evita, Phantom and Sunset Boulevard. I think his crime here is being successful and beloved by many. I have no doubt he genuinely absolutely adores theater and performance. His statement that the only way to become a theatrical millionaire is to start a billionaire is true and yet he carries on buying theaters and renovating them etc I don’t think anyone here has contributed 1% to the theater compared to that he has. |
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| re: Well at least the 'entirely predictable' part of thread turned out to be true.... | |
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| Posted by: bway1430 03:28 am EDT 07/25/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Hatred - Leon_W 09:50 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| And I agree with you 100%. Certain posters can't seem to contain their hatred of ALW and yes, it is laughable and quite ridiculous. If the man could turn water into wine they would accuse him of promoting alcoholism. These posters once annoyed me but now I find them hilarious. So easy to wind them up.....just mention his name. Luckily, the greater part of the UK press and theatrical community find ALW right on target since the govt has done bugger-all to help their billion dollar industry during its most critical period since World War II. ALW has stuck his neck out time and again to rail against the leaders of his own political party to demand sensible and fair actions that will help get the West End back on track and not make matters worse....hasn't really worked so far but you can't blame the man for trying. Read on...I'm sure 'Tory Politics' and 'attempted Mass Murder' will get mentioned at some point...... |
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| re: The Hatred | |
| Posted by: ryhog 11:02 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Hatred - Leon_W 09:50 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| I have not posted about him as a composer or as a producer of musicals. I have repeatedly screamed and shouted (I agree with S/F, I have not frothed here or elsewhere) about his behavior in relation to covid because I consider it reprehensible. No apologies. How are the arguably wonderful things any person has done relevant when they have done evil things (which I define as actions that compromise the safety of other human beings)? I don't see how they could. I also do not give a damn if Jack the Ripper "genuinely absolutely adore[d] theater and performance." | |
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| re: The Hatred | |
| Posted by: GavinLogan1 11:53 am EDT 07/25/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Hatred - ryhog 11:02 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| Never once has he EVER endorsed doing anything that would compromise the safety of his audience. He has promoted trying a number of techniques to reopen theatres safely (many of which were used throughout this entire pandemic in South Korea, for example, which allowed that country, at one time very heavily hit, to keep it's theatre open). As for others on this thread talking about how he has behaved boorishly and childishly throughout all of this, I say a loud and resounding: BULLSHIT. For the first half of the pandemic, he stayed home, wrote his Cinderella, entertained his fans with 'Composer in Isolation' Sing-alongs, engaging instagram/ Tiktok posts about his shows and music, updated us weekly on his Spotify Playlists... all very entertaining and engaging and humourous posts. Then he volunteered right away to get the first available vaccine... yes, ostensibly he was also promoting his show and doing what he could to get it open fast, but he also used his fame and position to promote vaccination and display its efficacy and safety. Evil? Jack the Ripper? RyHog, you basically have ZERO credibility. You do foam and froth and it's embarrassing and idiotic. Throughout all of this you "didn't say much but you said it loud". Buzz off. |
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| re: The Hatred | |
| Posted by: ryhog 01:03 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Hatred - GavinLogan1 11:53 am EDT 07/25/21 | |
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| Look, you want to defend him and I don't. You think it is a-ok to open theatres at 100% capacity when respected science said otherwise (not to mention to do so illegally). You think it is a-ok to spray toxic chemicals on audiences because the show must go on. [I could go on but in the words of Bette Midler, "why bother?"] Maybe you think it is ok for businesses to spew toxins into the atmosphere because it's good for business. Maybe you think it's important to support coal mining because, hey, it keeps folks employed (at least until they get black lung disease). I get it. I am not trying to suppress your expression of those beliefs, just calling you out on your hagiography. | |
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| re: The Hatred | |
| Posted by: Sam890 02:11 am EDT 07/26/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Hatred - ryhog 01:03 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
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| I generally enjoy reading your posts and find them well thought out - even if I disagree. But this is just inflammatory and juvenile. You're clearly putting words in his mouth, and surely this sort of post is beneath you. Also, for what it's worth, I think you're being deliberately disingenuous in claiming to be unaware of the 'special' kind of hatred displayed towards Lloyd Webber. The fevered animosity is nothing new, it's been around for decades. You would have to be naive in the extreme to not have noticed it. |
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| re: The Hatred | |
| Posted by: Billhaven 01:35 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Hatred - ryhog 01:03 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
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| You don't seem to be heeding Ms. Midler's advice. You DO go on...and on...and on. One minute it is a discussion about opening Cinderella, the next thing you know he is responsible for coal mining disasters and industrial waste management. | |
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| Posted by: KingSpeed 01:26 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Hatred - ryhog 01:03 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
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| He didn’t say he believed those things. | |
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| re: The Hatred | |
| Last Edit: GavinLogan1 01:23 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
| Posted by: GavinLogan1 01:21 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Hatred - ryhog 01:03 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
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| I loathe coal mining—as a matter of fact, attended several protests against it here in Alberta, Canada when our conservative govt proposed opening new ones in the Rockies. You know nothing about me, and as usual, your post is a fancifully worded salad of hyperbolic assumptions. As for toxic chemicals— He simply proposed a trial of some thing that may have worked… Was the proposal ill-informed? Possibly… But I hardly think that makes him some sort of depraved serial killer as you have so repeatedly implied… There’s a link attached if you care to read the article… |
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| re: The Hatred | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 04:02 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Hatred - GavinLogan1 01:21 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
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| You're both hitting the extremes on this chemical spray. Webber wasn't proposing spraying audiences with an untested chemical spray, that is true, but he also went out of his way to (hyperbolically) accuse scientists of being "frightened", saying that health officials were obstructing the (Conservative) government's enthusiasm to attempt a trial of the spray. Not the words of a serial killer, but in an era where moneyed interests are questioning scientists in their rush to re-open their businesses, this is more extreme to me than "simply propos(ing) a trial of some thing that may have worked". | |
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| re: The Hatred | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 12:40 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Hatred - GavinLogan1 11:53 am EDT 07/25/21 | |
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| Some people need to take a break, and I don't think it's Ryhog. Just my humble opinion. | |
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| re: The Hatred | |
| Posted by: GavinLogan1 01:17 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Hatred - Chromolume 12:40 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
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| I barely post here anymore, and I’m not usually one to jump in on these debates, because it’s often pointless. But RyHog’s histrionics are beyond. I always admire and appreciate your posts— your intelligence, your experience, and even when I disagree, the way you post invites discussion and engagement. He posts vitriol and hyperbolic nonsense. I’m surprised you don’t see it. As if a LW has just blatantly called for the audience to be sprayed with toxic chemicals… He looked at some research, he proposed a trial, the government rejected it, end of discussion constantly calling him a mass murderer and insisting that he only cares about money it’s just wrong and ridiculous. Was ALW misguided? Perhaps… but he was suggesting a trial, not an immediate implementation. See attached link. It’s claims like those that make Ryhog’s posts unbearable. But sure, I’ll take a break. I never intend to get into fights online but it happens so easily. I’m histrionic too, I guess. But thank you for your years of knowledgeable and interesting posts. I’ll continue to turn to you for music and music history info on here. And I’ll take a break from the conversation. Permanently, where RyHog is concerned. |
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| Link | https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/theatre/what-to-see/andrew-lloyd-webber-urges-government-trialgame-changing-chemical/amp/ |
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| re: The Hatred {LONG!!} | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 04:20 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Hatred - GavinLogan1 01:17 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
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| Gavin - first, thank you for your kind comments towards me, which I certainly did not solicit lol. That means a lot. I have also enjoyed your posts here when you have been around. I'm not defending Ryhog's posts here, and believe it or not, I was not trying to target you, although it would certainly seem that I did. (I probably should have phrased what I said differently.) I myself decided a few days ago to "take a break" (and perhaps permanently) from another discussion site I've been on, in response to the constant trolling that's going on there. I felt it was the healthiest thing to do for my own sanity. Heated discussions happen here all the time - I've certainly had my own - sometimes indeed with Ryhog, sometimes with Mr. Portantiere, and others. We all can get very over-passionate about certain things, and can get way too focused in trying to prove our point or have the last word, etc. In this case, I won't say that Ryhog is necessarily right, but I also think that trying to argue with him is like beating the proverbial horse, and maybe it's best just to save your own sanity by getting yourself out of it. To be honest, I feel that the tone on ATC, and other web chatboards, has gotten somewhat more tense and nastier and more negative over the last year (and the few years), and I think it's very easy to understand why - we're living in, frankly, shitty times right now. So for many of us, our guards are up, we feel more vulnerable, and we may feel it's easier and more justifiable to lash out when we might not have in the past. Understood. But it's also disheartening. I also feel that the rules out here have changed to a great extent - political discussions have been much more allowed than in the past (maybe because they're going to be unavoidable?) and tempers seem to go unmoderated a little more. (This is no reflection on Ann, who remains our indispensable leader and whose presence here is always amazing.) I find that the word "zeitgeist" has bene in my vocabulary a lot lately - I think it's a fitting word for a lot of things. But it does mean that ATC, I feel, has been a little more volatile and thorny than before - and of course for some people it always has been lol, so that's saying a lot. Gavin - I wish you no will ill, and I wish you well. And I do hope you stay here if even just to lurk (but please continue posting). Ryhog - I too wish you no ill will, and I too wish you well. You, like me, are opinionated as hell and what you say is not going to be received well by all of us, guaranteed. But you know what - maybe my initial post to Gavin WAS wrong. For your sake and the sake of all of us out here, maybe you also need a break from this topic? Just a suggestion. As for me, I'm not going anywhere. :-) |
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| re: The Hatred {LONG!!} | |
| Posted by: ryhog 04:37 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Hatred {LONG!!} - Chromolume 04:20 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
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| @Chromey, certainly no ill will sensed here. | |
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| re: The Hatred {SHORT!!) | |
| Posted by: Jax 04:47 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Hatred {LONG!!} - ryhog 04:37 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
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| This topic has been exhausted. And has exhausted many. Time to move on. | |
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| re: The Hatred {SHORT!!) | |
| Posted by: ryhog 04:53 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Hatred {SHORT!!) - Jax 04:47 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
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| We can agree on that :-) | |
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| re: The Hatred | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 10:41 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Hatred - Leon_W 09:50 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| I’ve never seen ryhog froth. | |
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| Posted by: Chromolume 07:28 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: The Hatred - Jax 06:50 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| There are worse composers (Frank Wildhorn) Your opinion entirely, of course - but you didn't qualify that. |
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| re: Entirely predictable | |
| Posted by: ryhog 12:17 pm EDT 07/23/21 | |
| In reply to: Entirely predictable - sf 11:02 am EDT 07/23/21 | |
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| ALW has been a human embarrassment since the beginning of the pandemic so his behavio(u)r now couldn't be anything but predictable. Perhaps this sort of pathetic central-casting curmudgeon-ness is the punishment meted out to those who value money over human life. | |
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| re: Entirely predictable | |
| Posted by: sf 02:19 pm EDT 07/23/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - ryhog 12:17 pm EDT 07/23/21 | |
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| Quite. I've some sympathy with cast/crew/front-of-house staff who won't be paid while performances are suspended, but I've no sympathy at all for ALW. His tantrum the other day was absolutely transparent, and it was never going to get him anywhere. Even if he's right - and he isn't, the way to deal with the chaos of thousands and thousands of people being told to self-isolate in a pandemic isn't to relax the rules, it's to bring the infection rate down - it was pointless, because it was aimed at getting the government to change the rules and this government couldn't care less about the arts. | |
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| re: Entirely predictable | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 05:04 pm EDT 07/23/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - sf 02:19 pm EDT 07/23/21 | |
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| But the show is not Cinderella. It's MY Cinderella. Thus spake the composer. So it is written, so it shall be done. | |
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| re: Entirely predictable | |
| Posted by: Gustave 06:06 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - Chromolume 05:04 pm EDT 07/23/21 | |
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| The advertisements for the show describe it as "Andrew Lloyd Webber's Cinderella." Should he have referred to it that way, rather than "my Cinderella"? Is it possible he was distinguishing it from "Rodgers and Hammerstein's Cinderella"? Gustave | |
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| re: Entirely predictable | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 07:27 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - Gustave 06:06 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| Is it possible he was distinguishing it from "Rodgers and Hammerstein's Cinderella"? Did you mean "Rodgers Plus Hammerstein's Cinderella" - the official title of the recent revival, lol? :-) The quote from the statement he released on the closure: "Today, on this 'Freedom Day,' I have been forced to take the heart-breaking decision not to open my Cinderella." I think it's clear, given the context and even the date he cited, that he was referring to the show he wrote. Everyone knows he wrote it. It just would have been nice had he said "our" and included everyone involved, or, honestly the pronoun wasn't even needed and he could have left it out. |
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| Posted by: Sam890 02:53 am EDT 07/25/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - Chromolume 07:27 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| I don't want to defend ALW, but, for what it's worth, the use of 'my' is common in the theatre community. Look at Tony Awards speeches - performers will often thank "my director", "my cast". It's a phrase not unique to ALW | |
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| Posted by: Chromolume 11:30 am EDT 07/25/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - Sam890 02:53 am EDT 07/25/21 | |
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| I tend to hear, and myself use (as a musical director) "our" much more often. | |
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| Posted by: Sam890 01:58 am EDT 07/26/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - Chromolume 11:30 am EDT 07/25/21 | |
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| I invite you to listen to awards acceptance speeches (in film and television as well). References to "my cast and crew" are very common. It's something that's always rankled with me. Like you, I've always used 'our'. | |
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| Posted by: lordofspeech 05:19 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - Chromolume 05:04 pm EDT 07/23/21 | |
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| Why do people have hate on this board for this composer/producer? Is it that he opposes the lockdowns? Is it something he did in the past? Is he perceived as « too »mercenary? Too powerful and rich? | |
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| Posted by: Chromolume 12:54 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - lordofspeech 05:19 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| The minute he wrote "MY Cinderella" in his statement about the closure, completely ignoring all the other people who put so much into creating, opening, and performing that show - that says a lot. Why shouldn't I get after him for that? | |
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| Posted by: bway1430 05:12 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - Chromolume 12:54 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| Much as I think "his" CINDERELLA is a disaster based on the recent recording (not his worst score, but close)....if you've spent £8 million of your own dosh to mount a show and keep it afloat during the most uncertain of times, I think you can call it whatever the hell you want. ALW is writing the checks. ALW is taking the biggest risks. So yes, it technically IS his Cinderella. |
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| Posted by: ryhog 10:44 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - lordofspeech 05:19 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| Is valuing economics over human life not enough for you? Beyond that, of course, there is the sad petulance. It's never a good look when a man in his 70s reminds people of a child of 7 years. | |
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| Last Edit: MockingbirdGirl 10:41 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
| Posted by: MockingbirdGirl 10:38 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - lordofspeech 05:19 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| I don't hate ALW. But I'm going to call anyone on it if they behave like a pompous ass. Which, I'm afraid, is how Lord "You'll Have to Arrest Me Before I Close for Covid" Lloyd-Webber has been acting. | |
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| Posted by: Sam890 10:47 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - MockingbirdGirl 10:38 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| Sure, call out the stupid comments - but the level of vitriol on here can border on the unhinged | |
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| Posted by: MockingbirdGirl 10:49 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - Sam890 10:47 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| I see nothing "unhinged" in this thread to warrant a comment about "haters." Every comment has been a reaction to ALW's own tone-deaf statements. | |
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| Posted by: J.Collins 11:05 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - MockingbirdGirl 10:49 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| I think a poster saying "if only" ALW would kill himself warrants a comment about 'haters'. | |
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| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 04:13 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - J.Collins 11:05 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| OMG, that's what he said? Wow, jaw dropped. | |
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| Posted by: Sam890 01:55 am EDT 07/26/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - Singapore/Fling 04:13 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
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| Yes, that's what he said - and when some other posters called him out on it, rather than apologise, he lashed out and insulted them | |
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| Posted by: ryhog 11:14 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - J.Collins 11:05 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| well that posted was deleted/removed quickly and what remains strikes me as quite reasonable under the circumstances. There is no guilt by association. ALW seems to have moved on from Puccini to Wagner (specifically,Götterdämmerung :-) ) |
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| Posted by: J.Collins 11:28 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - ryhog 11:14 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| I'm merely giving context to the remaining comments, which may read as a bit odd with the other posts removed | |
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| Posted by: Sam890 10:55 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - MockingbirdGirl 10:49 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| That's because the 'offending' comments have been now removed by the moderators | |
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| Posted by: MockingbirdGirl 11:07 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - Sam890 10:55 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| Then perhaps the comment belonged after those statements, and not in a reply to Chromolume, who said nothing to deserve it. | |
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| Posted by: Sam890 11:25 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - MockingbirdGirl 11:07 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| Just to make it clear for you, a number of post have now been removed - also removing the context of a number of remaining posts. You might want to rethink the snark if you're going to post without being aware of the full context | |
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| Posted by: MockingbirdGirl 11:31 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - Sam890 11:25 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| There is absolutely nothing 'snarky' about my response. I am not mocking anybody, just pointing out that the reply appears to be unrelated to the post that precedes it. (When posts are removed, the threaded replies usually disappear with it.) | |
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| Posted by: Sam890 11:44 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - MockingbirdGirl 11:31 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| And I'm pointing out to you (again) that the reply was related to a number of posts (that you are unaware of) that are now gone | |
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| Posted by: ryhog 12:59 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - Sam890 11:44 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| I am only aware of a single post that was deleted. Are you saying there were more? | |
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| Posted by: Devin 03:04 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - ryhog 12:59 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| Yes, the “entirely predictable” post by sf that this entire conversation branched off of. | |
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| Posted by: ryhog 03:53 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - Devin 03:04 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| but as you point out in another post, that one is not "now gone," since it's "still here." hence my question. I was wondering if others had been deleted. fwiw unlike the now deleted one of which I am aware I don't have a problem with sf's post which suggests a possible logical progression in ALW's batty-ness. Although of course he would just threaten it and then not do it. | |
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| Posted by: GavinLogan1 11:56 am EDT 07/25/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - ryhog 03:53 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| See-- you're behaving like a complete ass. Moderators, I've been penalized on this site for far less. Ryhog is combative, rude, belligerent, and foolish. Maybe he should get a little time out. I expect better from my 5-year-old. |
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| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 04:06 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - GavinLogan1 11:56 am EDT 07/25/21 | |
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| I'm sure you can appreciate, though, that calling out someone for behaving like an ass and comparing them to your five-year-old over that post is also in the realm of combative, rude, belligerent, and foolish. I get it, tempers are flaring all around and silly things are being said left, right, and center. The Webber situation seems to have become a place to vent all sorts of frustrations around Covid, and a number of folks are writing things that they'll perhaps regret (or at least acknowledge was extreme) in another day or two. |
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| Posted by: bway1430 07:55 am EDT 07/25/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - ryhog 03:53 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| You really should choose your words more carefully. You are entitled to your hate but you aren't welcome to openly condone the depraved thoughts of others that suggest suicide is a 'logical progression'. That is an all-time low standard you have sunk to. I would suggest you take a few minutes and review where your hateful thoughts are leading you. This isn't the place for it and I hope the moderators follow suit with you as they did with Mr Portantiere. Enough already. |
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| Posted by: ryhog 08:59 am EDT 07/25/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Your post is just as awful as the one that got deleted. - bway1430 07:55 am EDT 07/25/21 | |
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| I think you have misread what I wrote. The logical progression I mention is a series of tantrums of increasing amplitude, threatening various outcomes that are never realized. (Something about chicken little seems apt here.) Just as a three year old acting out has not seized upon a strategy that is effective, so too this silly 73 year old baby has not. And that ultimately is the point: the theatre needs intelligent and effective leadership for sure, but a petulant adult is just an embarrassment. | |
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| Posted by: bway1430 03:42 am EDT 07/26/21 | |
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| I read it again. You still allude to ALW being suidical or threatening to end his life then not doing it and all as a 'logical' outcome. It is neither true, nor is it funny and it doesn't belong here. |
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| Posted by: Chromolume 05:03 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - ryhog 03:53 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| I haven't been following this thread religiously, but in my experience when a post is deleted, usually all the posts in its immediate sub-thread go with it. But just that section. | |
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| Posted by: ryhog 05:26 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - Chromolume 05:03 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| That's my experience as well. In essence, I was asking if there were any other posts under it. I did see the deleted post and I am not sure what of significance one could say in reply but of course it is also my experience that that is not a prerequisite. :-) | |
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| Posted by: J.Collins 03:02 am EDT 07/25/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - ryhog 05:26 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| Yes, there were more posts deleted. Unfortunately when the poster of the offensive post was called out by others, he chose to then attack those that were calling him out, rather than apologizing. So there were a number of posts that have now been deleted | |
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