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| Posted by: Chromolume 05:04 pm EDT 07/23/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - sf 02:19 pm EDT 07/23/21 | |
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| But the show is not Cinderella. It's MY Cinderella. Thus spake the composer. So it is written, so it shall be done. | |
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| re: Entirely predictable | |
| Posted by: Gustave 06:06 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - Chromolume 05:04 pm EDT 07/23/21 | |
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| The advertisements for the show describe it as "Andrew Lloyd Webber's Cinderella." Should he have referred to it that way, rather than "my Cinderella"? Is it possible he was distinguishing it from "Rodgers and Hammerstein's Cinderella"? Gustave | |
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| Posted by: Chromolume 07:27 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - Gustave 06:06 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| Is it possible he was distinguishing it from "Rodgers and Hammerstein's Cinderella"? Did you mean "Rodgers Plus Hammerstein's Cinderella" - the official title of the recent revival, lol? :-) The quote from the statement he released on the closure: "Today, on this 'Freedom Day,' I have been forced to take the heart-breaking decision not to open my Cinderella." I think it's clear, given the context and even the date he cited, that he was referring to the show he wrote. Everyone knows he wrote it. It just would have been nice had he said "our" and included everyone involved, or, honestly the pronoun wasn't even needed and he could have left it out. |
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| re: Entirely predictable | |
| Posted by: Sam890 02:53 am EDT 07/25/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - Chromolume 07:27 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| I don't want to defend ALW, but, for what it's worth, the use of 'my' is common in the theatre community. Look at Tony Awards speeches - performers will often thank "my director", "my cast". It's a phrase not unique to ALW | |
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| re: Entirely predictable | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 11:30 am EDT 07/25/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - Sam890 02:53 am EDT 07/25/21 | |
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| I tend to hear, and myself use (as a musical director) "our" much more often. | |
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| re: Entirely predictable | |
| Posted by: Sam890 01:58 am EDT 07/26/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - Chromolume 11:30 am EDT 07/25/21 | |
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| I invite you to listen to awards acceptance speeches (in film and television as well). References to "my cast and crew" are very common. It's something that's always rankled with me. Like you, I've always used 'our'. | |
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| re: Entirely predictable | |
| Posted by: lordofspeech 05:19 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - Chromolume 05:04 pm EDT 07/23/21 | |
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| Why do people have hate on this board for this composer/producer? Is it that he opposes the lockdowns? Is it something he did in the past? Is he perceived as « too »mercenary? Too powerful and rich? | |
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| re: Entirely predictable | |
| Last Edit: Chromolume 12:54 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 12:54 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - lordofspeech 05:19 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| The minute he wrote "MY Cinderella" in his statement about the closure, completely ignoring all the other people who put so much into creating, opening, and performing that show - that says a lot. Why shouldn't I get after him for that? | |
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| Last Edit: bway1430 05:13 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
| Posted by: bway1430 05:12 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - Chromolume 12:54 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| Much as I think "his" CINDERELLA is a disaster based on the recent recording (not his worst score, but close)....if you've spent £8 million of your own dosh to mount a show and keep it afloat during the most uncertain of times, I think you can call it whatever the hell you want. ALW is writing the checks. ALW is taking the biggest risks. So yes, it technically IS his Cinderella. |
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| re: Entirely predictable | |
| Posted by: ryhog 10:44 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - lordofspeech 05:19 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| Is valuing economics over human life not enough for you? Beyond that, of course, there is the sad petulance. It's never a good look when a man in his 70s reminds people of a child of 7 years. | |
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| re: Entirely predictable | |
| Last Edit: MockingbirdGirl 10:41 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
| Posted by: MockingbirdGirl 10:38 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - lordofspeech 05:19 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| I don't hate ALW. But I'm going to call anyone on it if they behave like a pompous ass. Which, I'm afraid, is how Lord "You'll Have to Arrest Me Before I Close for Covid" Lloyd-Webber has been acting. | |
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| re: Entirely predictable | |
| Posted by: Sam890 10:47 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - MockingbirdGirl 10:38 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| Sure, call out the stupid comments - but the level of vitriol on here can border on the unhinged | |
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| Last Edit: MockingbirdGirl 10:50 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
| Posted by: MockingbirdGirl 10:49 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - Sam890 10:47 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| I see nothing "unhinged" in this thread to warrant a comment about "haters." Every comment has been a reaction to ALW's own tone-deaf statements. | |
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| re: Entirely predictable | |
| Posted by: J.Collins 11:05 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - MockingbirdGirl 10:49 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| I think a poster saying "if only" ALW would kill himself warrants a comment about 'haters'. | |
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| re: Entirely predictable | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 04:13 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - J.Collins 11:05 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| OMG, that's what he said? Wow, jaw dropped. | |
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| re: Entirely predictable | |
| Posted by: Sam890 01:55 am EDT 07/26/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - Singapore/Fling 04:13 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
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| Yes, that's what he said - and when some other posters called him out on it, rather than apologise, he lashed out and insulted them | |
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| re: Entirely predictable | |
| Posted by: ryhog 11:14 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - J.Collins 11:05 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| well that posted was deleted/removed quickly and what remains strikes me as quite reasonable under the circumstances. There is no guilt by association. ALW seems to have moved on from Puccini to Wagner (specifically,Götterdämmerung :-) ) |
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| re: Entirely predictable | |
| Posted by: J.Collins 11:28 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - ryhog 11:14 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| I'm merely giving context to the remaining comments, which may read as a bit odd with the other posts removed | |
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| re: Entirely predictable | |
| Posted by: Sam890 10:55 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - MockingbirdGirl 10:49 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| That's because the 'offending' comments have been now removed by the moderators | |
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| re: Entirely predictable | |
| Posted by: MockingbirdGirl 11:07 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - Sam890 10:55 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| Then perhaps the comment belonged after those statements, and not in a reply to Chromolume, who said nothing to deserve it. | |
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| re: Entirely predictable | |
| Posted by: Sam890 11:25 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - MockingbirdGirl 11:07 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| Just to make it clear for you, a number of post have now been removed - also removing the context of a number of remaining posts. You might want to rethink the snark if you're going to post without being aware of the full context | |
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| re: Entirely predictable | |
| Posted by: MockingbirdGirl 11:31 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - Sam890 11:25 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| There is absolutely nothing 'snarky' about my response. I am not mocking anybody, just pointing out that the reply appears to be unrelated to the post that precedes it. (When posts are removed, the threaded replies usually disappear with it.) | |
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| re: Entirely predictable | |
| Posted by: Sam890 11:44 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - MockingbirdGirl 11:31 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| And I'm pointing out to you (again) that the reply was related to a number of posts (that you are unaware of) that are now gone | |
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| re: Entirely predictable | |
| Posted by: ryhog 12:59 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - Sam890 11:44 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| I am only aware of a single post that was deleted. Are you saying there were more? | |
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| re: Entirely predictable | |
| Posted by: Devin 03:04 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - ryhog 12:59 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| Yes, the “entirely predictable” post by sf that this entire conversation branched off of. | |
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| re: Entirely predictable | |
| Posted by: ryhog 03:53 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - Devin 03:04 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| but as you point out in another post, that one is not "now gone," since it's "still here." hence my question. I was wondering if others had been deleted. fwiw unlike the now deleted one of which I am aware I don't have a problem with sf's post which suggests a possible logical progression in ALW's batty-ness. Although of course he would just threaten it and then not do it. | |
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| re: Entirely predictable | |
| Posted by: GavinLogan1 11:56 am EDT 07/25/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - ryhog 03:53 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| See-- you're behaving like a complete ass. Moderators, I've been penalized on this site for far less. Ryhog is combative, rude, belligerent, and foolish. Maybe he should get a little time out. I expect better from my 5-year-old. |
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| re: Entirely predictable | |
| Last Edit: Singapore/Fling 04:14 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 04:06 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - GavinLogan1 11:56 am EDT 07/25/21 | |
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| I'm sure you can appreciate, though, that calling out someone for behaving like an ass and comparing them to your five-year-old over that post is also in the realm of combative, rude, belligerent, and foolish. I get it, tempers are flaring all around and silly things are being said left, right, and center. The Webber situation seems to have become a place to vent all sorts of frustrations around Covid, and a number of folks are writing things that they'll perhaps regret (or at least acknowledge was extreme) in another day or two. |
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| re: Your post is just as awful as the one that got deleted. | |
| Posted by: bway1430 07:55 am EDT 07/25/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - ryhog 03:53 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| You really should choose your words more carefully. You are entitled to your hate but you aren't welcome to openly condone the depraved thoughts of others that suggest suicide is a 'logical progression'. That is an all-time low standard you have sunk to. I would suggest you take a few minutes and review where your hateful thoughts are leading you. This isn't the place for it and I hope the moderators follow suit with you as they did with Mr Portantiere. Enough already. |
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| re: Your post is just as awful as the one that got deleted. | |
| Posted by: ryhog 08:59 am EDT 07/25/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Your post is just as awful as the one that got deleted. - bway1430 07:55 am EDT 07/25/21 | |
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| I think you have misread what I wrote. The logical progression I mention is a series of tantrums of increasing amplitude, threatening various outcomes that are never realized. (Something about chicken little seems apt here.) Just as a three year old acting out has not seized upon a strategy that is effective, so too this silly 73 year old baby has not. And that ultimately is the point: the theatre needs intelligent and effective leadership for sure, but a petulant adult is just an embarrassment. | |
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| Last Edit: bway1430 03:53 am EDT 07/26/21 | |
| Posted by: bway1430 03:42 am EDT 07/26/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Your post is just as awful as the one that got deleted. - ryhog 08:59 am EDT 07/25/21 | |
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| I read it again. You still allude to ALW being suidical or threatening to end his life then not doing it and all as a 'logical' outcome. It is neither true, nor is it funny and it doesn't belong here. |
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| re: Entirely predictable | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 05:03 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - ryhog 03:53 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| I haven't been following this thread religiously, but in my experience when a post is deleted, usually all the posts in its immediate sub-thread go with it. But just that section. | |
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| Posted by: ryhog 05:26 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - Chromolume 05:03 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| That's my experience as well. In essence, I was asking if there were any other posts under it. I did see the deleted post and I am not sure what of significance one could say in reply but of course it is also my experience that that is not a prerequisite. :-) | |
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| re: Entirely predictable | |
| Posted by: J.Collins 03:02 am EDT 07/25/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Entirely predictable - ryhog 05:26 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| Yes, there were more posts deleted. Unfortunately when the poster of the offensive post was called out by others, he chose to then attack those that were calling him out, rather than apologizing. So there were a number of posts that have now been deleted | |
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