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| Not really a valid point | |
| Posted by: Ncassidine 05:41 pm EDT 07/23/21 | |
| In reply to: Proof of Vaccinations will have to be required. - ShowGoer 02:01 pm EDT 07/23/21 | |
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| Many people are more than 6 months past their vaccination. Unless they are rolling out boosters, with the variants proof of vaccination is not going to make much of a difference. | |
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| Posted by: ryhog 07:49 pm EDT 07/23/21 | |
| In reply to: Not really a valid point - Ncassidine 05:41 pm EDT 07/23/21 | |
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| There is no 6 month rule. Immunity is not like a light switch that gets turned off. Where are you getting these ideas? Also remember that, even when antibody immunity wanes, we have cellular immunity. Proof of vaccination is a big deal and will continue to be. | |
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| re: Not really a valid point | |
| Posted by: Ncassidine 08:49 pm EDT 07/23/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Not really a valid point - ryhog 07:49 pm EDT 07/23/21 | |
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| We actually have no idea either way. | |
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| re: Not really a valid point | |
| Posted by: ryhog 09:17 pm EDT 07/23/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Not really a valid point - Ncassidine 08:49 pm EDT 07/23/21 | |
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| Actually, I think we have a good deal of knowledge, not conclusive but as I say here and below. I don't think it helps to ignore evidence, which does not mean we should overstate it (as I think I did somewhat originally). We know an incredible amount. | |
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| re: Not really a valid point | |
| Posted by: sirpupnyc 08:32 pm EDT 07/23/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Not really a valid point - ryhog 07:49 pm EDT 07/23/21 | |
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| There was some initial "Well, we don't know how long it'll last." That's mainly faded now that there's actual data, but a lot of speculation that's been superseded still gets bandied about as fact. (When it's not being used to beat science up for sciencing.) The first Excelsior Passes were only valid for three months, remember. |
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| re: Not really a valid point | |
| Posted by: ryhog 08:39 pm EDT 07/23/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Not really a valid point - sirpupnyc 08:32 pm EDT 07/23/21 | |
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| my first pass was for only ONE month. LOL Then I got like 5 more. | |
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| re: Not really a valid point | |
| Posted by: NewtonUK 11:01 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Not really a valid point - ryhog 08:39 pm EDT 07/23/21 | |
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| ... and now Excelsior passes can be extended to 12 months from date of second vaccination (or J&J) | |
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| re: Not really a valid point | |
| Posted by: broadwaybacker 08:21 pm EDT 07/23/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Not really a valid point - ryhog 07:49 pm EDT 07/23/21 | |
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| Ryhog is 100% correct (no surprise there). People in the clinical trials continue to be studied, and by that I mean have their blood drawn periodically to check on the level of antibodies in the blood. These trials have been going on for much longer than six months, and there is no indication that immunity has decreased significantly (if at all) to date. If you are going to opine on the science, it would be good to have some actual scientific support. Otherwise, it's just BS and noise. For example, here is some info regarding the Pfizer trial: The Phase 3 clinical trial of the vaccine began on July 27, 2020 and has enrolled 43,661 participants to date, 41,135 of whom have received a second dose of the vaccine candidate as of November 13, 2020. Approximately 42% of global participants and 30% of U.S. participants have racially and ethnically diverse backgrounds, and 41% of global and 45% of U.S. participants are 56-85 years of age. So the Pfizer Phase 3 trial began almost exactly a year ago. These people are still being followed, and having their blood checked for antibody levels. |
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| to be fair, I may not be 100% correct. | |
| Posted by: ryhog 08:36 pm EDT 07/23/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Not really a valid point - broadwaybacker 08:21 pm EDT 07/23/21 | |
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| After posting above, I saw the linked article. Vulnerable populations may need and get a booster shot but continue to note that what's being said is that the (Pfizer) vaccine starts to become less effective after 6 months, not that it falls off a cliff, and for most, there will be cellular immunity that could last for a long time. Again, the context is that the virus in any form is not going to be eradicated but the focus of all of our attention should be on whether we are likely to get sick. | |
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