Threaded Order Chronological Order
| Thank you moderators for removing the suicide 'joke'... | |
| Posted by: J.Collins 09:18 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: Entirely predictable - sf 11:02 am EDT 07/23/21 | |
|
|
|
| I hope the poster has been suitably reprimanded | |
| reply to this message |
| re: Thank you moderators for removing the suicide 'joke'... | |
| Posted by: Devin 02:19 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: Thank you moderators for removing the suicide 'joke'... - J.Collins 09:18 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
|
|
|
| However, the original post joking about self-immolation by sf remains. | |
| reply to this message |
| re: Thank you moderators for removing the suicide 'joke'... | |
| Posted by: Sam890 09:22 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: Thank you moderators for removing the suicide 'joke'... - J.Collins 09:18 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
|
|
|
| I agree. A bit of a low point for Mr Portantiere, I'm afraid | |
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: Thank you moderators for removing the suicide 'joke'... | |
| Posted by: StageLover 07:26 am EDT 07/25/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Thank you moderators for removing the suicide 'joke'... - Sam890 09:22 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
|
|
|
| Not the first, I assure you. | |
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| The Hatred | |
| Posted by: Jax 06:50 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Thank you moderators for removing the suicide 'joke'... - Sam890 09:22 am EDT 07/24/21 | |
|
|
|
| The hatred exhibited towards ALW is a bit ridiculous. There are worse composers (Frank Wildhorn) and worse producers (Scott Rudin). Those posting their over the top loathing are, I fear, telling us more about themselves than they are about Mr. Weber. | |
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: The Hatred | |
| Posted by: sf 08:44 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: The Hatred - Jax 06:50 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
|
|
|
| "There are worse composers (Frank Wildhorn)" For what it's worth, I had a better time at 'Death Note' than I did at 'Whistle Down The Wind'. |
|
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: The Hatred | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 01:23 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Hatred - sf 08:44 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
|
|
|
| I loved WDTW. Saw it twice on West End. Great music, moving story. | |
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: The Hatred | |
| Posted by: ryhog 08:09 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: The Hatred - Jax 06:50 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
|
|
|
| With the exception of one intemperate post that's long gone, where are these over the top posts? People have not been carping about ALW as a composer in this thread. You are deflecting. People are criticizing him for being a lousy human being, and a childish embarrassing fool. We are talking about someone who has repeatedly made it clear that economics are more important than human life. I think we are allowed to hate psychopaths. You are defending a man who proposed spraying audiences with toxic chemicals. That's what I see as ridiculous. Yes, not giving a shit about safety is grounds for loathing in my world. And if people are laughing at what a silly fool he has been over the last few months, that's not hatred, it's a nervous reaction to obscure the embarrassment many of us feel for the behavior of a man with a public persona as large as his. He reflects adversely on everyone in this business. | |
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: The Hatred | |
| Posted by: Devin 01:30 am EDT 07/25/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Hatred - ryhog 08:09 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
|
|
|
| Yeah, where the hell are these over the top posts? They are so hard to find! | |
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: The Hatred | |
| Posted by: Roman 01:07 am EDT 07/26/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Hatred - Devin 01:30 am EDT 07/25/21 | |
|
|
|
| Ha ha. | |
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: Touche' | |
| Posted by: bway1430 03:11 am EDT 07/25/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Hatred - Devin 01:30 am EDT 07/25/21 | |
|
|
|
| I heard that mic drop all the way from London. :-) |
|
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: The Hatred | |
| Last Edit: Leon_W 09:51 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
| Posted by: Leon_W 09:50 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Hatred - ryhog 08:09 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
|
|
|
| “ where are these over the top posts?” Constantly every time he is mentioned. You in particular scream and shout and froth at the mouth at the mention at his name. This man has given us Jesus Christ Superstar, Evita, Phantom and Sunset Boulevard. I think his crime here is being successful and beloved by many. I have no doubt he genuinely absolutely adores theater and performance. His statement that the only way to become a theatrical millionaire is to start a billionaire is true and yet he carries on buying theaters and renovating them etc I don’t think anyone here has contributed 1% to the theater compared to that he has. |
|
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: Well at least the 'entirely predictable' part of thread turned out to be true.... | |
| Last Edit: bway1430 03:37 am EDT 07/25/21 | |
| Posted by: bway1430 03:28 am EDT 07/25/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Hatred - Leon_W 09:50 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
|
|
|
| And I agree with you 100%. Certain posters can't seem to contain their hatred of ALW and yes, it is laughable and quite ridiculous. If the man could turn water into wine they would accuse him of promoting alcoholism. These posters once annoyed me but now I find them hilarious. So easy to wind them up.....just mention his name. Luckily, the greater part of the UK press and theatrical community find ALW right on target since the govt has done bugger-all to help their billion dollar industry during its most critical period since World War II. ALW has stuck his neck out time and again to rail against the leaders of his own political party to demand sensible and fair actions that will help get the West End back on track and not make matters worse....hasn't really worked so far but you can't blame the man for trying. Read on...I'm sure 'Tory Politics' and 'attempted Mass Murder' will get mentioned at some point...... |
|
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: The Hatred | |
| Posted by: ryhog 11:02 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Hatred - Leon_W 09:50 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
|
|
|
| I have not posted about him as a composer or as a producer of musicals. I have repeatedly screamed and shouted (I agree with S/F, I have not frothed here or elsewhere) about his behavior in relation to covid because I consider it reprehensible. No apologies. How are the arguably wonderful things any person has done relevant when they have done evil things (which I define as actions that compromise the safety of other human beings)? I don't see how they could. I also do not give a damn if Jack the Ripper "genuinely absolutely adore[d] theater and performance." | |
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: The Hatred | |
| Posted by: GavinLogan1 11:53 am EDT 07/25/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Hatred - ryhog 11:02 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
|
|
|
| Never once has he EVER endorsed doing anything that would compromise the safety of his audience. He has promoted trying a number of techniques to reopen theatres safely (many of which were used throughout this entire pandemic in South Korea, for example, which allowed that country, at one time very heavily hit, to keep it's theatre open). As for others on this thread talking about how he has behaved boorishly and childishly throughout all of this, I say a loud and resounding: BULLSHIT. For the first half of the pandemic, he stayed home, wrote his Cinderella, entertained his fans with 'Composer in Isolation' Sing-alongs, engaging instagram/ Tiktok posts about his shows and music, updated us weekly on his Spotify Playlists... all very entertaining and engaging and humourous posts. Then he volunteered right away to get the first available vaccine... yes, ostensibly he was also promoting his show and doing what he could to get it open fast, but he also used his fame and position to promote vaccination and display its efficacy and safety. Evil? Jack the Ripper? RyHog, you basically have ZERO credibility. You do foam and froth and it's embarrassing and idiotic. Throughout all of this you "didn't say much but you said it loud". Buzz off. |
|
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: The Hatred | |
| Posted by: ryhog 01:03 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Hatred - GavinLogan1 11:53 am EDT 07/25/21 | |
|
|
|
| Look, you want to defend him and I don't. You think it is a-ok to open theatres at 100% capacity when respected science said otherwise (not to mention to do so illegally). You think it is a-ok to spray toxic chemicals on audiences because the show must go on. [I could go on but in the words of Bette Midler, "why bother?"] Maybe you think it is ok for businesses to spew toxins into the atmosphere because it's good for business. Maybe you think it's important to support coal mining because, hey, it keeps folks employed (at least until they get black lung disease). I get it. I am not trying to suppress your expression of those beliefs, just calling you out on your hagiography. | |
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: The Hatred | |
| Posted by: Sam890 02:11 am EDT 07/26/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Hatred - ryhog 01:03 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
|
|
|
| I generally enjoy reading your posts and find them well thought out - even if I disagree. But this is just inflammatory and juvenile. You're clearly putting words in his mouth, and surely this sort of post is beneath you. Also, for what it's worth, I think you're being deliberately disingenuous in claiming to be unaware of the 'special' kind of hatred displayed towards Lloyd Webber. The fevered animosity is nothing new, it's been around for decades. You would have to be naive in the extreme to not have noticed it. |
|
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: The Hatred | |
| Posted by: Billhaven 01:35 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Hatred - ryhog 01:03 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
|
|
|
| You don't seem to be heeding Ms. Midler's advice. You DO go on...and on...and on. One minute it is a discussion about opening Cinderella, the next thing you know he is responsible for coal mining disasters and industrial waste management. | |
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: The Hatred | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 01:26 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Hatred - ryhog 01:03 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
|
|
|
| He didn’t say he believed those things. | |
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: The Hatred | |
| Last Edit: GavinLogan1 01:23 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
| Posted by: GavinLogan1 01:21 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Hatred - ryhog 01:03 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
|
|
|
| I loathe coal mining—as a matter of fact, attended several protests against it here in Alberta, Canada when our conservative govt proposed opening new ones in the Rockies. You know nothing about me, and as usual, your post is a fancifully worded salad of hyperbolic assumptions. As for toxic chemicals— He simply proposed a trial of some thing that may have worked… Was the proposal ill-informed? Possibly… But I hardly think that makes him some sort of depraved serial killer as you have so repeatedly implied… There’s a link attached if you care to read the article… |
|
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: The Hatred | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 04:02 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Hatred - GavinLogan1 01:21 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
|
|
|
| You're both hitting the extremes on this chemical spray. Webber wasn't proposing spraying audiences with an untested chemical spray, that is true, but he also went out of his way to (hyperbolically) accuse scientists of being "frightened", saying that health officials were obstructing the (Conservative) government's enthusiasm to attempt a trial of the spray. Not the words of a serial killer, but in an era where moneyed interests are questioning scientists in their rush to re-open their businesses, this is more extreme to me than "simply propos(ing) a trial of some thing that may have worked". | |
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: The Hatred | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 12:40 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Hatred - GavinLogan1 11:53 am EDT 07/25/21 | |
|
|
|
| Some people need to take a break, and I don't think it's Ryhog. Just my humble opinion. | |
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: The Hatred | |
| Posted by: GavinLogan1 01:17 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Hatred - Chromolume 12:40 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
|
|
|
| I barely post here anymore, and I’m not usually one to jump in on these debates, because it’s often pointless. But RyHog’s histrionics are beyond. I always admire and appreciate your posts— your intelligence, your experience, and even when I disagree, the way you post invites discussion and engagement. He posts vitriol and hyperbolic nonsense. I’m surprised you don’t see it. As if a LW has just blatantly called for the audience to be sprayed with toxic chemicals… He looked at some research, he proposed a trial, the government rejected it, end of discussion constantly calling him a mass murderer and insisting that he only cares about money it’s just wrong and ridiculous. Was ALW misguided? Perhaps… but he was suggesting a trial, not an immediate implementation. See attached link. It’s claims like those that make Ryhog’s posts unbearable. But sure, I’ll take a break. I never intend to get into fights online but it happens so easily. I’m histrionic too, I guess. But thank you for your years of knowledgeable and interesting posts. I’ll continue to turn to you for music and music history info on here. And I’ll take a break from the conversation. Permanently, where RyHog is concerned. |
|
| Link | https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/theatre/what-to-see/andrew-lloyd-webber-urges-government-trialgame-changing-chemical/amp/ |
| reply to this message | reply to first message | |
| re: The Hatred {LONG!!} | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 04:20 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Hatred - GavinLogan1 01:17 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
|
|
|
| Gavin - first, thank you for your kind comments towards me, which I certainly did not solicit lol. That means a lot. I have also enjoyed your posts here when you have been around. I'm not defending Ryhog's posts here, and believe it or not, I was not trying to target you, although it would certainly seem that I did. (I probably should have phrased what I said differently.) I myself decided a few days ago to "take a break" (and perhaps permanently) from another discussion site I've been on, in response to the constant trolling that's going on there. I felt it was the healthiest thing to do for my own sanity. Heated discussions happen here all the time - I've certainly had my own - sometimes indeed with Ryhog, sometimes with Mr. Portantiere, and others. We all can get very over-passionate about certain things, and can get way too focused in trying to prove our point or have the last word, etc. In this case, I won't say that Ryhog is necessarily right, but I also think that trying to argue with him is like beating the proverbial horse, and maybe it's best just to save your own sanity by getting yourself out of it. To be honest, I feel that the tone on ATC, and other web chatboards, has gotten somewhat more tense and nastier and more negative over the last year (and the few years), and I think it's very easy to understand why - we're living in, frankly, shitty times right now. So for many of us, our guards are up, we feel more vulnerable, and we may feel it's easier and more justifiable to lash out when we might not have in the past. Understood. But it's also disheartening. I also feel that the rules out here have changed to a great extent - political discussions have been much more allowed than in the past (maybe because they're going to be unavoidable?) and tempers seem to go unmoderated a little more. (This is no reflection on Ann, who remains our indispensable leader and whose presence here is always amazing.) I find that the word "zeitgeist" has bene in my vocabulary a lot lately - I think it's a fitting word for a lot of things. But it does mean that ATC, I feel, has been a little more volatile and thorny than before - and of course for some people it always has been lol, so that's saying a lot. Gavin - I wish you no will ill, and I wish you well. And I do hope you stay here if even just to lurk (but please continue posting). Ryhog - I too wish you no ill will, and I too wish you well. You, like me, are opinionated as hell and what you say is not going to be received well by all of us, guaranteed. But you know what - maybe my initial post to Gavin WAS wrong. For your sake and the sake of all of us out here, maybe you also need a break from this topic? Just a suggestion. As for me, I'm not going anywhere. :-) |
|
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: The Hatred {LONG!!} | |
| Posted by: ryhog 04:37 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Hatred {LONG!!} - Chromolume 04:20 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
|
|
|
| @Chromey, certainly no ill will sensed here. | |
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: The Hatred {SHORT!!) | |
| Posted by: Jax 04:47 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Hatred {LONG!!} - ryhog 04:37 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
|
|
|
| This topic has been exhausted. And has exhausted many. Time to move on. | |
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: The Hatred {SHORT!!) | |
| Posted by: ryhog 04:53 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Hatred {SHORT!!) - Jax 04:47 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
|
|
|
| We can agree on that :-) | |
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: The Hatred | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 10:41 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Hatred - Leon_W 09:50 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
|
|
|
| I’ve never seen ryhog froth. | |
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: The Hatred | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 07:28 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: The Hatred - Jax 06:50 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
|
|
|
| There are worse composers (Frank Wildhorn) Your opinion entirely, of course - but you didn't qualify that. |
|
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
Time to render: 0.095487 seconds.