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| Posted by: ryhog 11:02 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Hatred - Leon_W 09:50 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| I have not posted about him as a composer or as a producer of musicals. I have repeatedly screamed and shouted (I agree with S/F, I have not frothed here or elsewhere) about his behavior in relation to covid because I consider it reprehensible. No apologies. How are the arguably wonderful things any person has done relevant when they have done evil things (which I define as actions that compromise the safety of other human beings)? I don't see how they could. I also do not give a damn if Jack the Ripper "genuinely absolutely adore[d] theater and performance." | |
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| re: The Hatred | |
| Posted by: GavinLogan1 11:53 am EDT 07/25/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Hatred - ryhog 11:02 pm EDT 07/24/21 | |
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| Never once has he EVER endorsed doing anything that would compromise the safety of his audience. He has promoted trying a number of techniques to reopen theatres safely (many of which were used throughout this entire pandemic in South Korea, for example, which allowed that country, at one time very heavily hit, to keep it's theatre open). As for others on this thread talking about how he has behaved boorishly and childishly throughout all of this, I say a loud and resounding: BULLSHIT. For the first half of the pandemic, he stayed home, wrote his Cinderella, entertained his fans with 'Composer in Isolation' Sing-alongs, engaging instagram/ Tiktok posts about his shows and music, updated us weekly on his Spotify Playlists... all very entertaining and engaging and humourous posts. Then he volunteered right away to get the first available vaccine... yes, ostensibly he was also promoting his show and doing what he could to get it open fast, but he also used his fame and position to promote vaccination and display its efficacy and safety. Evil? Jack the Ripper? RyHog, you basically have ZERO credibility. You do foam and froth and it's embarrassing and idiotic. Throughout all of this you "didn't say much but you said it loud". Buzz off. |
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| re: The Hatred | |
| Posted by: ryhog 01:03 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Hatred - GavinLogan1 11:53 am EDT 07/25/21 | |
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| Look, you want to defend him and I don't. You think it is a-ok to open theatres at 100% capacity when respected science said otherwise (not to mention to do so illegally). You think it is a-ok to spray toxic chemicals on audiences because the show must go on. [I could go on but in the words of Bette Midler, "why bother?"] Maybe you think it is ok for businesses to spew toxins into the atmosphere because it's good for business. Maybe you think it's important to support coal mining because, hey, it keeps folks employed (at least until they get black lung disease). I get it. I am not trying to suppress your expression of those beliefs, just calling you out on your hagiography. | |
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| re: The Hatred | |
| Posted by: Billhaven 01:35 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Hatred - ryhog 01:03 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
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| You don't seem to be heeding Ms. Midler's advice. You DO go on...and on...and on. One minute it is a discussion about opening Cinderella, the next thing you know he is responsible for coal mining disasters and industrial waste management. | |
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| re: The Hatred | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 01:26 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Hatred - ryhog 01:03 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
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| He didn’t say he believed those things. | |
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| re: The Hatred | |
| Last Edit: GavinLogan1 01:23 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
| Posted by: GavinLogan1 01:21 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Hatred - ryhog 01:03 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
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| I loathe coal mining—as a matter of fact, attended several protests against it here in Alberta, Canada when our conservative govt proposed opening new ones in the Rockies. You know nothing about me, and as usual, your post is a fancifully worded salad of hyperbolic assumptions. As for toxic chemicals— He simply proposed a trial of some thing that may have worked… Was the proposal ill-informed? Possibly… But I hardly think that makes him some sort of depraved serial killer as you have so repeatedly implied… There’s a link attached if you care to read the article… |
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| re: The Hatred | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 04:02 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Hatred - GavinLogan1 01:21 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
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| You're both hitting the extremes on this chemical spray. Webber wasn't proposing spraying audiences with an untested chemical spray, that is true, but he also went out of his way to (hyperbolically) accuse scientists of being "frightened", saying that health officials were obstructing the (Conservative) government's enthusiasm to attempt a trial of the spray. Not the words of a serial killer, but in an era where moneyed interests are questioning scientists in their rush to re-open their businesses, this is more extreme to me than "simply propos(ing) a trial of some thing that may have worked". | |
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| re: The Hatred | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 12:40 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Hatred - GavinLogan1 11:53 am EDT 07/25/21 | |
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| Some people need to take a break, and I don't think it's Ryhog. Just my humble opinion. | |
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| re: The Hatred | |
| Posted by: GavinLogan1 01:17 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Hatred - Chromolume 12:40 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
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| I barely post here anymore, and I’m not usually one to jump in on these debates, because it’s often pointless. But RyHog’s histrionics are beyond. I always admire and appreciate your posts— your intelligence, your experience, and even when I disagree, the way you post invites discussion and engagement. He posts vitriol and hyperbolic nonsense. I’m surprised you don’t see it. As if a LW has just blatantly called for the audience to be sprayed with toxic chemicals… He looked at some research, he proposed a trial, the government rejected it, end of discussion constantly calling him a mass murderer and insisting that he only cares about money it’s just wrong and ridiculous. Was ALW misguided? Perhaps… but he was suggesting a trial, not an immediate implementation. See attached link. It’s claims like those that make Ryhog’s posts unbearable. But sure, I’ll take a break. I never intend to get into fights online but it happens so easily. I’m histrionic too, I guess. But thank you for your years of knowledgeable and interesting posts. I’ll continue to turn to you for music and music history info on here. And I’ll take a break from the conversation. Permanently, where RyHog is concerned. |
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| Link | https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/theatre/what-to-see/andrew-lloyd-webber-urges-government-trialgame-changing-chemical/amp/ |
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| re: The Hatred {LONG!!} | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 04:20 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Hatred - GavinLogan1 01:17 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
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| Gavin - first, thank you for your kind comments towards me, which I certainly did not solicit lol. That means a lot. I have also enjoyed your posts here when you have been around. I'm not defending Ryhog's posts here, and believe it or not, I was not trying to target you, although it would certainly seem that I did. (I probably should have phrased what I said differently.) I myself decided a few days ago to "take a break" (and perhaps permanently) from another discussion site I've been on, in response to the constant trolling that's going on there. I felt it was the healthiest thing to do for my own sanity. Heated discussions happen here all the time - I've certainly had my own - sometimes indeed with Ryhog, sometimes with Mr. Portantiere, and others. We all can get very over-passionate about certain things, and can get way too focused in trying to prove our point or have the last word, etc. In this case, I won't say that Ryhog is necessarily right, but I also think that trying to argue with him is like beating the proverbial horse, and maybe it's best just to save your own sanity by getting yourself out of it. To be honest, I feel that the tone on ATC, and other web chatboards, has gotten somewhat more tense and nastier and more negative over the last year (and the few years), and I think it's very easy to understand why - we're living in, frankly, shitty times right now. So for many of us, our guards are up, we feel more vulnerable, and we may feel it's easier and more justifiable to lash out when we might not have in the past. Understood. But it's also disheartening. I also feel that the rules out here have changed to a great extent - political discussions have been much more allowed than in the past (maybe because they're going to be unavoidable?) and tempers seem to go unmoderated a little more. (This is no reflection on Ann, who remains our indispensable leader and whose presence here is always amazing.) I find that the word "zeitgeist" has bene in my vocabulary a lot lately - I think it's a fitting word for a lot of things. But it does mean that ATC, I feel, has been a little more volatile and thorny than before - and of course for some people it always has been lol, so that's saying a lot. Gavin - I wish you no will ill, and I wish you well. And I do hope you stay here if even just to lurk (but please continue posting). Ryhog - I too wish you no ill will, and I too wish you well. You, like me, are opinionated as hell and what you say is not going to be received well by all of us, guaranteed. But you know what - maybe my initial post to Gavin WAS wrong. For your sake and the sake of all of us out here, maybe you also need a break from this topic? Just a suggestion. As for me, I'm not going anywhere. :-) |
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| re: The Hatred {LONG!!} | |
| Posted by: ryhog 04:37 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Hatred {LONG!!} - Chromolume 04:20 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
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| @Chromey, certainly no ill will sensed here. | |
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| re: The Hatred {SHORT!!) | |
| Posted by: Jax 04:47 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Hatred {LONG!!} - ryhog 04:37 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
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| This topic has been exhausted. And has exhausted many. Time to move on. | |
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| re: The Hatred {SHORT!!) | |
| Posted by: ryhog 04:53 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Hatred {SHORT!!) - Jax 04:47 pm EDT 07/25/21 | |
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| We can agree on that :-) | |
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