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| Liza should be a Kennedy Center Honoree! and other suggestions | |
| Posted by: ADFeldman 03:34 pm EDT 07/26/21 | |
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| Liza is an obvious yes. But who else should be on this list? I'm curious what you think. Best, Adam |
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| Link | Time Out: 11 theater icons who should get Kennedy Center Honors |
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| re: Liza should be a Kennedy Center Honoree! and other suggestions | |
| Posted by: Roman 07:37 am EDT 07/27/21 | |
| In reply to: Liza should be a Kennedy Center Honoree! and other suggestions - ADFeldman 03:34 pm EDT 07/26/21 | |
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| Harvey Fierstein. | |
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| re: Liza should be a Kennedy Center Honoree! and other suggestions | |
| Posted by: TheOtherOne 11:18 pm EDT 07/26/21 | |
| In reply to: Liza should be a Kennedy Center Honoree! and other suggestions - ADFeldman 03:34 pm EDT 07/26/21 | |
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| Joe Mantello. Less flashy than the others mentioned, but more consistently accomplished as a theater director and actor than anyone I can think of in the past thirty years. He is on the young side, but I hope he is on their radar. He certainly should be. | |
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| re: Liza should be a Kennedy Center Honoree! and other suggestions | |
| Posted by: ryhog 04:41 pm EDT 07/26/21 | |
| In reply to: Liza should be a Kennedy Center Honoree! and other suggestions - ADFeldman 03:34 pm EDT 07/26/21 | |
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| As has been rehearsed here many times, one of the requirements for the a KC Honor is that you agree to attend and participate in what is required of honorees. It is not clear that Liza would agree to the conditions. | |
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| re: Liza should be a Kennedy Center Honoree! and other suggestions | |
| Posted by: ADFeldman 05:16 pm EDT 07/26/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Liza should be a Kennedy Center Honoree! and other suggestions - ryhog 04:41 pm EDT 07/26/21 | |
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| I have it on pretty good authority that she would. | |
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| re: Liza should be a Kennedy Center Honoree! and other suggestions | |
| Posted by: Roman 08:47 pm EDT 07/26/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Liza should be a Kennedy Center Honoree! and other suggestions - ADFeldman 05:16 pm EDT 07/26/21 | |
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| I have it on fein authority she would, as well. And, really, why not? While mobility is an issue, she only has to sit there. | |
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| re: Liza should be a Kennedy Center Honoree! and other suggestions | |
| Posted by: Randolph 04:28 pm EDT 07/26/21 | |
| In reply to: Liza should be a Kennedy Center Honoree! and other suggestions - ADFeldman 03:34 pm EDT 07/26/21 | |
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| I voted for Bernadette this year, via the website. Happy about Bette. | |
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| Bernadette is overdue (NM) | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 05:49 pm EDT 07/26/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Liza should be a Kennedy Center Honoree! and other suggestions - Randolph 04:28 pm EDT 07/26/21 | |
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| As is Woody Allen--NMI | |
| Posted by: bret17 09:59 pm EDT 07/26/21 | |
| In reply to: Bernadette is overdue (NM) - Chazwaza 05:49 pm EDT 07/26/21 | |
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| Woody Allen will never receive this or any honor in this day and age. | |
| Last Edit: TheOtherOne 11:20 pm EDT 07/26/21 | |
| Posted by: TheOtherOne 11:05 pm EDT 07/26/21 | |
| In reply to: As is Woody Allen--NMI - bret17 09:59 pm EDT 07/26/21 | |
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| Not saying his work is unworthy of the honor, but his daughter's allegations against him will not be looked past. | |
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| That's actually a moot point in this case. | |
| Posted by: ShowGoer 11:07 am EDT 07/27/21 | |
| In reply to: Woody Allen will never receive this or any honor in this day and age. - TheOtherOne 11:05 pm EDT 07/26/21 | |
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| Regardless of whether anyone does or doesn't want to deal with the hot potato of the one decades-old accusation, the bigger issue is that the awardee must be willing, able, and eager to attend in person. (That's why no one has ever been given the award posthumously, with the two exceptions being when The Eagles and Earth, Wind & Fire were given the awards as a group despite a band member having passed away in both cases). Occasionally Allen has in fact stopped by something like the Kennedy Center Honors for other reasons – an Oscars after 9/11 to pay tribute to New York, an AFI tribute to his old friend Diane Keaton – but considering that Allen has never shown up for any awards show when he himself was hugely favored to win, let alone all the countless times he's been nominated – I'm sure they've never even considered him. (If you go back and look at articles speculating who would be named for KCH even a decade ago, pundits have always dismissed him for this reason alone.) It's why the legendarily reclusive Doris Day never received the honor either. (And it's why most believe that the 91-year-old Gene Hackman, who hasn't made a movie since 2004 and rarely gives interviews, hasn't received one. Jack Nicholson's lucky he got his 20 years ago, long before his retirement and disappearance from the scene.) And frankly – for all we know, it's possible that this could become a factor for Minnelli as well. But seeing as she took to the stage in L.A. just last week to do a number with Michael Feinstein (saying "I haven't sung in three years!"), hopefully the Kennedy Center will get to her soon, when she's able, eager, and excited for the honor. |
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| re: That's actually a moot point in this case. | |
| Posted by: TheOtherOne 11:48 am EDT 07/27/21 | |
| In reply to: That's actually a moot point in this case. - ShowGoer 11:07 am EDT 07/27/21 | |
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| I don't think it's a moot point. The Kennedy Center Honors try to stay away from controversy. This probably explains Jane Fonda not having been honored yet as well. There are still people, veterans in fact, who will never forgive her for having gone to Hanoi. Maybe enough time has passed in her case (I hope it has), but in Allen's, once Dylan and Ronan Farrow became as vocal about her abuse as they became, the issue became more of a hotbed than it had ever been. Actors won't work with him, his last film wasn't even released in the US...they would not even consider awarding him. And I don't think he would have stayed home if he'd been selected. It isn't a competitive award, it honors one's body of work. He might have gotten a laugh out of it, but I bet the would have attended. |
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| re: That's actually a moot point in this case. | |
| Last Edit: MockingbirdGirl 12:46 pm EDT 07/27/21 | |
| Posted by: MockingbirdGirl 12:46 pm EDT 07/27/21 | |
| In reply to: re: That's actually a moot point in this case. - TheOtherOne 11:48 am EDT 07/27/21 | |
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| I don't think he would have stayed home if he'd been selected. It isn't a competitive award, it honors one's body of work. He might have gotten a laugh out of it, but I bet the would have attended. Given that he did not attend the Golden Globes to receive the Cecil B. DeMille Award—which also honors one's body of work—I have no idea why you would "bet" on his attendance. After an entire career, I doubt that his convictions would suddenly waver. |
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| re: That's actually a moot point in this case. | |
| Posted by: ShowGoer 01:31 pm EDT 07/27/21 | |
| In reply to: re: That's actually a moot point in this case. - MockingbirdGirl 12:46 pm EDT 07/27/21 | |
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| “ Given that he did not attend the Golden Globes to receive the Cecil B. DeMille Award—which also honors one's body of work—I have no idea why you would "bet" on his attendance. After an entire career, I doubt that his convictions would suddenly waver.” Correct. And as to the original poster’s comment that “I doubt they would have considered him”, that’s exactly what I said – I’m simply pointing out that if they haven’t considered him for years based on the likely correct assumption that he wouldn’t attend (as he hasn’t attended a single awards show or tribute honoring him in his life, even before the day he swept the Oscars with Annie Hall 45 years ago), and if there’s no reason to believe that either they or he would have changed their minds about that even had this one accusation never been leveled at him, then, ipso facto – the question of the accusation becomes moot. Because that’s not the reason they wouldn’t be considering him. As I said. |
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| re: That's actually a moot point in this case. | |
| Posted by: TheOtherOne 01:58 pm EDT 07/27/21 | |
| In reply to: re: That's actually a moot point in this case. - ShowGoer 01:31 pm EDT 07/27/21 | |
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| My error. I remembered him attending an awards show, but it wasn't in honor of him. It was the AFI Tribute to Diane Keaton. | |
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| re: That's actually a moot point in this case. | |
| Posted by: schlepper 02:03 pm EDT 07/27/21 | |
| In reply to: re: That's actually a moot point in this case. - TheOtherOne 01:58 pm EDT 07/27/21 | |
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| Diane Keaton is another worthy Kennedy Center Honoree. Outside of the Broadway spectrum, when are they going to honor Bob Newhart?? |
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| That’s a VERY worthy idea! | |
| Last Edit: ShowGoer 06:28 pm EDT 07/27/21 | |
| Posted by: ShowGoer 06:28 pm EDT 07/27/21 | |
| In reply to: re: That's actually a moot point in this case. - schlepper 02:03 pm EDT 07/27/21 | |
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| THIS. Aside from his 3 successful TV shows (two of them all-time classics), and his not-inconsequential movie roles (which is how most millennials likely know him, from things like Elf, or The Big Bang Theory) — how many comics have hit #1 on the all-over Billboard Top 100 albums chart… let alone twice in a row, as he did in the 1960s. (And one of which won the Grammy for Album of the Year.) So, stand-up, recordings, film, and especially TV… not to mention an honoree that I think would be controversy-free, even by the standards of ‘old white guy’. And at 91 years old, it seems like they’re cutting it almost as close as they did with Dick Van Dyke! |
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| re: Liza should be a Kennedy Center Honoree! and other suggestions | |
| Posted by: Berrygirl49 04:18 pm EDT 07/26/21 | |
| In reply to: Liza should be a Kennedy Center Honoree! and other suggestions - ADFeldman 03:34 pm EDT 07/26/21 | |
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| I disagree about Channing. She was Dolly, over and over again. Yes, I know about Gentlemen Prefer Blondes and the films, but compared to others who were passed over while they were alive, Channing is pretty much a one-note samba. Rosemary Clooney, for example, was a singing star, had her own TV show, starred in everyone's favorite December movie, hit hard times, wrote two books and reinvented herself at the end of her career as a top cabaret performer. Perhaps one posthumous award should be given each year so we don't forget what greatness really is. |
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| One of the problems with the first 25 years of the KCH Honors was.... | |
| Posted by: portenopete 10:38 pm EDT 07/26/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Liza should be a Kennedy Center Honoree! and other suggestions - Berrygirl49 04:18 pm EDT 07/26/21 | |
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| ....they were covering 60+ years of Art. It took them awhile to get through the absolute giants of the film, music, dance worlds. Then they added TV and then opened up the music award to newer forms like rock and blues and C&W. There were probably 100 or more who deserved the honour but didn't live long enough to be honoured. None of the silent stars lived long enough. The Lunts were dead. The Barrymores and Kit Cornell were gone. Not to mention giants of the screen like Clark Gable, Humphrey Bogart and John Wayne, who died before the Honors even started. When it comes to actors you have one or at most two a year. And that's film, TV and theatre. So there are always going to be omissions. |
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| “The Lunts were dead.” | |
| Posted by: kieran 11:38 pm EDT 07/26/21 | |
| In reply to: One of the problems with the first 25 years of the KCH Honors was.... - portenopete 10:38 pm EDT 07/26/21 | |
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| Lynn Fontanne was honored in 1980. | |
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| re: Liza should be a Kennedy Center Honoree! and other suggestions | |
| Posted by: joerialto 03:54 pm EDT 07/26/21 | |
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| re: Liza should be a Kennedy Center Honoree! and other suggestions | |
| Posted by: ADFeldman 03:57 pm EDT 07/26/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Liza should be a Kennedy Center Honoree! and other suggestions - joerialto 03:54 pm EDT 07/26/21 | |
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| For sure, and I think he will be. Hasn't done much theater per se though (The Capeman probably wasn't a great experience for him) | |
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| re: Liza should be a Kennedy Center Honoree! and other suggestions | |
| Posted by: FrankF 03:45 pm EDT 07/26/21 | |
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| Sheldon Harnick! | |
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| re: Liza should be a Kennedy Center Honoree! and other suggestions | |
| Posted by: toros 03:42 pm EDT 07/26/21 | |
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| To say that someone "should be an honoree" means that someone who is or has been an honoree shouldn't have been. Which of this year's honoree's do you think should not have been chosen? | |
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| I can answer that... | |
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| Posted by: DistantDrumming 03:58 pm EDT 07/26/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Liza should be a Kennedy Center Honoree! and other suggestions - toros 03:42 pm EDT 07/26/21 | |
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| ... the creators of Hamilton. Whatever your feelings about Hamilton, that felt like the definition of 'too soon' and a rather cheap ploy to capitalize on the show's unprecedented success. Although I mean her no ill will, I'm not sure that Barbara Cook had made a bigger cultural impact than Liza. But if they hadn't honored Barbara, we wouldn't have gotten what I consider perhaps the best performance in the history of the telecast. The women who honored Cook that night were on top form! And, although unrelated to theatre, Adam's post reminded me that LL Cool J is a Kennedy Center Honoree. LL Cool J. I mean, sure, some of his old songs are great, but the man hasn't made any impact on music in decades. Other than his 80s-early 90s releases as a rapper, what were we honoring him for? Blandest Awards Show Host, Most Serviceable Television Actor, Best Secret Republican? |
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| re: I can answer that... | |
| Posted by: ADFeldman 04:00 pm EDT 07/26/21 | |
| In reply to: I can answer that... - DistantDrumming 03:58 pm EDT 07/26/21 | |
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| Ditto on Hamilton, which was just weird. (Also, LL Cool Jay was only 49. I get the impulse to recognize hip-hop but wait a few years at least maybe!) | |
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| re: I can answer that... | |
| Posted by: schlepper 04:44 pm EDT 07/26/21 | |
| In reply to: re: I can answer that... - ADFeldman 04:00 pm EDT 07/26/21 | |
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| The only logical explanation for LL Cool J getting in was that somehow his agents made it a condition with CBS for renewing his contract on his long-running NCIS series on CBS. It's also pretty shady that both the Hamilton team and Cher (who was extremely deserving on her own) were BOTH inducted the same year that Hamilton played the Kennedy Center AND in the same month that the (also Jeffrey Seller produced) THE CHER SHOW opened on Broadway. | |
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| Yes, the LL Cool J honor is a head-scratcher if you look at his achievements compared to others in the music world. He was very young, and he also didn't really have the same kind of continued impact that other honored musicians have had. His songs were very "of the moment" and I think they are mostly a footnote today. After he joined NCIS in 2009, he only put out one album, which was only moderately successful. If they wanted to choose a rap act, Run-DMC or the Beastie Boys are much more deserving. So I also conclude that it's not coincidental that he was a star on a CBS series. I don't know if it was a condition to continue, or just synergy like Cher, but if NCIS didn't exist, he wouldn't have gotten the honor. |
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| re: Liza should be a Kennedy Center Honoree! and other suggestions | |
| Posted by: ADFeldman 03:47 pm EDT 07/26/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Liza should be a Kennedy Center Honoree! and other suggestions - toros 03:42 pm EDT 07/26/21 | |
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| When it comes right down to it I think Midler could wait a year or two. | |
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| re: Liza should be a Kennedy Center Honoree! and other suggestions | |
| Posted by: chrismpls 06:05 pm EDT 07/26/21 | |
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| She only has a couple Broadway credits but if we want to talk about someone who's really overdue, it's the lone "Nine to Five" lead who has not received the honor: Jane Fonda. | |
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| re: Liza should be a Kennedy Center Honoree! and other suggestions | |
| Posted by: Billhaven 06:51 pm EDT 07/26/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Liza should be a Kennedy Center Honoree! and other suggestions - chrismpls 06:05 pm EDT 07/26/21 | |
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| Yes. Extraordinary career. She's lived at least 5 complete lives between the movies, the activism, the exercise videos, television and some stage sprinkled in there. I vote for Burt Bacharach. Only one Broadway credit but it was a big hit. And his music was very influential throughout the 60's and 70's. | |
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