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| re: Liza should be a Kennedy Center Honoree! and other suggestions | |
| Posted by: Randolph 04:28 pm EDT 07/26/21 | |
| In reply to: Liza should be a Kennedy Center Honoree! and other suggestions - ADFeldman 03:34 pm EDT 07/26/21 | |
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| I voted for Bernadette this year, via the website. Happy about Bette. | |
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| Bernadette is overdue (NM) | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 05:49 pm EDT 07/26/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Liza should be a Kennedy Center Honoree! and other suggestions - Randolph 04:28 pm EDT 07/26/21 | |
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| As is Woody Allen--NMI | |
| Posted by: bret17 09:59 pm EDT 07/26/21 | |
| In reply to: Bernadette is overdue (NM) - Chazwaza 05:49 pm EDT 07/26/21 | |
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| Woody Allen will never receive this or any honor in this day and age. | |
| Last Edit: TheOtherOne 11:20 pm EDT 07/26/21 | |
| Posted by: TheOtherOne 11:05 pm EDT 07/26/21 | |
| In reply to: As is Woody Allen--NMI - bret17 09:59 pm EDT 07/26/21 | |
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| Not saying his work is unworthy of the honor, but his daughter's allegations against him will not be looked past. | |
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| That's actually a moot point in this case. | |
| Posted by: ShowGoer 11:07 am EDT 07/27/21 | |
| In reply to: Woody Allen will never receive this or any honor in this day and age. - TheOtherOne 11:05 pm EDT 07/26/21 | |
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| Regardless of whether anyone does or doesn't want to deal with the hot potato of the one decades-old accusation, the bigger issue is that the awardee must be willing, able, and eager to attend in person. (That's why no one has ever been given the award posthumously, with the two exceptions being when The Eagles and Earth, Wind & Fire were given the awards as a group despite a band member having passed away in both cases). Occasionally Allen has in fact stopped by something like the Kennedy Center Honors for other reasons – an Oscars after 9/11 to pay tribute to New York, an AFI tribute to his old friend Diane Keaton – but considering that Allen has never shown up for any awards show when he himself was hugely favored to win, let alone all the countless times he's been nominated – I'm sure they've never even considered him. (If you go back and look at articles speculating who would be named for KCH even a decade ago, pundits have always dismissed him for this reason alone.) It's why the legendarily reclusive Doris Day never received the honor either. (And it's why most believe that the 91-year-old Gene Hackman, who hasn't made a movie since 2004 and rarely gives interviews, hasn't received one. Jack Nicholson's lucky he got his 20 years ago, long before his retirement and disappearance from the scene.) And frankly – for all we know, it's possible that this could become a factor for Minnelli as well. But seeing as she took to the stage in L.A. just last week to do a number with Michael Feinstein (saying "I haven't sung in three years!"), hopefully the Kennedy Center will get to her soon, when she's able, eager, and excited for the honor. |
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| re: That's actually a moot point in this case. | |
| Posted by: TheOtherOne 11:48 am EDT 07/27/21 | |
| In reply to: That's actually a moot point in this case. - ShowGoer 11:07 am EDT 07/27/21 | |
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| I don't think it's a moot point. The Kennedy Center Honors try to stay away from controversy. This probably explains Jane Fonda not having been honored yet as well. There are still people, veterans in fact, who will never forgive her for having gone to Hanoi. Maybe enough time has passed in her case (I hope it has), but in Allen's, once Dylan and Ronan Farrow became as vocal about her abuse as they became, the issue became more of a hotbed than it had ever been. Actors won't work with him, his last film wasn't even released in the US...they would not even consider awarding him. And I don't think he would have stayed home if he'd been selected. It isn't a competitive award, it honors one's body of work. He might have gotten a laugh out of it, but I bet the would have attended. |
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| re: That's actually a moot point in this case. | |
| Last Edit: MockingbirdGirl 12:46 pm EDT 07/27/21 | |
| Posted by: MockingbirdGirl 12:46 pm EDT 07/27/21 | |
| In reply to: re: That's actually a moot point in this case. - TheOtherOne 11:48 am EDT 07/27/21 | |
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| I don't think he would have stayed home if he'd been selected. It isn't a competitive award, it honors one's body of work. He might have gotten a laugh out of it, but I bet the would have attended. Given that he did not attend the Golden Globes to receive the Cecil B. DeMille Award—which also honors one's body of work—I have no idea why you would "bet" on his attendance. After an entire career, I doubt that his convictions would suddenly waver. |
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| re: That's actually a moot point in this case. | |
| Posted by: ShowGoer 01:31 pm EDT 07/27/21 | |
| In reply to: re: That's actually a moot point in this case. - MockingbirdGirl 12:46 pm EDT 07/27/21 | |
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| “ Given that he did not attend the Golden Globes to receive the Cecil B. DeMille Award—which also honors one's body of work—I have no idea why you would "bet" on his attendance. After an entire career, I doubt that his convictions would suddenly waver.” Correct. And as to the original poster’s comment that “I doubt they would have considered him”, that’s exactly what I said – I’m simply pointing out that if they haven’t considered him for years based on the likely correct assumption that he wouldn’t attend (as he hasn’t attended a single awards show or tribute honoring him in his life, even before the day he swept the Oscars with Annie Hall 45 years ago), and if there’s no reason to believe that either they or he would have changed their minds about that even had this one accusation never been leveled at him, then, ipso facto – the question of the accusation becomes moot. Because that’s not the reason they wouldn’t be considering him. As I said. |
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| re: That's actually a moot point in this case. | |
| Posted by: TheOtherOne 01:58 pm EDT 07/27/21 | |
| In reply to: re: That's actually a moot point in this case. - ShowGoer 01:31 pm EDT 07/27/21 | |
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| My error. I remembered him attending an awards show, but it wasn't in honor of him. It was the AFI Tribute to Diane Keaton. | |
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| re: That's actually a moot point in this case. | |
| Posted by: schlepper 02:03 pm EDT 07/27/21 | |
| In reply to: re: That's actually a moot point in this case. - TheOtherOne 01:58 pm EDT 07/27/21 | |
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| Diane Keaton is another worthy Kennedy Center Honoree. Outside of the Broadway spectrum, when are they going to honor Bob Newhart?? |
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| That’s a VERY worthy idea! | |
| Last Edit: ShowGoer 06:28 pm EDT 07/27/21 | |
| Posted by: ShowGoer 06:28 pm EDT 07/27/21 | |
| In reply to: re: That's actually a moot point in this case. - schlepper 02:03 pm EDT 07/27/21 | |
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| THIS. Aside from his 3 successful TV shows (two of them all-time classics), and his not-inconsequential movie roles (which is how most millennials likely know him, from things like Elf, or The Big Bang Theory) — how many comics have hit #1 on the all-over Billboard Top 100 albums chart… let alone twice in a row, as he did in the 1960s. (And one of which won the Grammy for Album of the Year.) So, stand-up, recordings, film, and especially TV… not to mention an honoree that I think would be controversy-free, even by the standards of ‘old white guy’. And at 91 years old, it seems like they’re cutting it almost as close as they did with Dick Van Dyke! |
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