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| The Laura Osnes I Know | |
| Posted by: claploudly 03:07 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
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| Hey everyone, I didn't want my post to be lost among the many venomous posts about Laura Osnes below, so I am starting a fresh section. I am the founder of American Songbook Today a 501(c)(3) non-profit. I founded it in NYC where I lived for 25 years. For about ten years we brought singers from theatre, jazz, cabaret, gospel, folk, etc. into schools throughout the NYC area. Our mission was and still is to celebrate and preserve the American Songbook. One of the artists who I had the pleasure of working with was Laura Osnes. At threat time, she was starring in Cinderella. Our program was at P.S. 166, the Richard Rodgers Elementary School, located on West 89th Street. The late Mary Rodgers Guettel, Mr.. Rodgers daughter and mother of composer Adam Guettel, attended and sat in the front row with me. Laura had already performed two solos and next was to be a duet with my friend James Tyrone Lane (A Chorus Line, Chicago, etc.). James, as Prince Charming, was going to sing "Do I Love You Because You're Beautiful?" to Laura. But instead, Laura turned to the audience and said "You know kids, I get to play Cinderella every night on Broadway. So maybe there is someone out there in the audience who would like to be serenaded this morning by Prince Charming instead of me? Immediately 100 hands shot up. Laura walked around the audience and went to the very back row where an overweight third grade girl was sitting all alone. Laura asked her name and the girl answered very quietly and hesitantly "Ledelia, Ma'am." Laura took her hand and said "Ledelia, how would you like to be Cinderella today?" The young girl resisted saying "Please no. Not me. I don't know how to sing or anything." "Oh that's okay. Really you just get to sit in Cinderella's chair and let that handsome James sing to you. Come on please? It will be fun." Laura took her up to the stage and had her sit in the chair where Cinderella was to sit. Then Laura reached into her bag and, to my surprise, brought out a beautiful rhinestone-ish Cinderella tiara (which Laura had bought just for this occasion) and placed it on Ledelia' s head. James began to sing. Ledelia was so nervous she was almost in tears. But halfway through James finally got Ledelia to smile. She smiled as though she had never smiled before. We all applauded wildly and Laura said "Honey you did GREAT!" Ledelia started to hand the tiara back to Laura but Laura said "Oh no sweetie, that's for you to keep." Laura walked her back to her seat to the loud applause of everyone. Four other girls left their seats and sat down in the back row next to Ledelia, hugging her. As we were leaving the school, the principal and three teachers (one a counselor) were waiting for us. "Michael and Laura and James, what you did for Ledelia this morning is something that we have been trying to do for three years. She has a single rather negligent mother and has lived a very rough life already. You gave her confidence and a feeling of belonging. We think you changed her life and we just can't thank you enough." Now to those of you who wrote the vitriolic posts below, hoping to end Laura's career I would like to say something. One of you obviously exaggerated by writing you had spoken to 100 (really??) industry people over this past weekend who said they would never work with her again. I hope Covid won't last forever. But I know Ms. Osnes' career will. I don't think it is possible for an actress to be hired again and again by Broadway producers, directors, music directors, etc. to star in their musicals without having a stellar work reputation and a great deal of love and respect within this business called show. I wish she and her husband were getting different advice from her doctor. But I don't know all the particulars. And neither do you. I have two friends out here in Ojai, CA where I now live, who explained to me that they have medical conditions which led their doctors to advise them strongly not to get vaccinated. At least at this time. One of you even wrote below "Good Riddance." Other cruel wishes for her. I read Ms. Osnes' explanation and I thought it was clear that Guild Hall had not presented the option of being vaccinated OR Covid tested, which Laura has been tested for during the past months like the rest of us. I have been vaccinated. I have lost seven friends to Covid. And I wish everyone would get vaccinated ASAP. But I would never behave like grade school bullies to anyone. The one thing that our country needs right now is kindness, something Laura Osnes has in spades. |
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| This story is the epitome of toxic positivity. (nmi) | |
| Last Edit: theodosia 11:46 am EDT 08/19/21 | |
| Posted by: theodosia 11:44 am EDT 08/19/21 | |
| In reply to: The Laura Osnes I Know - claploudly 03:07 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
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| Nice story. Now go get vaccinated, Laura. NMI | |
| Posted by: Jameson 07:32 am EDT 08/18/21 | |
| In reply to: The Laura Osnes I Know - claploudly 03:07 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
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| Hi. | |
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| re: The Laura Osnes I Know | |
| Posted by: Sam890 06:22 am EDT 08/18/21 | |
| In reply to: The Laura Osnes I Know - claploudly 03:07 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
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| I understand the cognitive dissonance you may be experiencing here. You had a lovely experience with Ms Osnes and perhaps struggle to see how that experience matches up with the incredibly selfish behavior she is now showing. I get it - you want to cling to your impression of the lovely Laura you shared a special occasion with. It doesn't change the willfully selfish way she has behaved in this situation. As has been repeatedly pointed out, she is ok with endangering the lives of others. A rhinestone tiara is not going to cure a child if she passes covid on to them. If she wants to endanger herself - that's up to her - but it is not ok to put the lives of others at risk, no matter how pretty her voice is, or how many rhinestone tiaras she hands out. | |
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| re: The Laura Osnes I Know | |
| Posted by: Teacher64 10:02 pm EDT 08/18/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Laura Osnes I Know - Sam890 06:22 am EDT 08/18/21 | |
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| If you are concerned about getting Covid from Laura Osnes then get yourself vaccinated. If you are vaccinated you are protected from Laura's decision to not get vaccinated. | |
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| some pretty flawed thinking there Teacher64 | |
| Posted by: andPeggy 04:31 pm EDT 08/19/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Laura Osnes I Know - Teacher64 10:02 pm EDT 08/18/21 | |
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| A. this all came about because Tony Yazbeck was concerned about his unvaccinated kids. B. There have been breakthrough cases despite individuals being vaccinated. C. It's becoming standard in most performing arts spaces. |
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| re: The Laura Osnes I Know | |
| Posted by: whereismikeyfl 08:33 am EDT 08/19/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Laura Osnes I Know - Teacher64 10:02 pm EDT 08/18/21 | |
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| You seem not to be following this story (or the news). Some performers have children too young for the vaccine. Osnes decision puts them at risk. There are breakthrough viruses, so though her collegues are not likely to die, they can become ill. The effects of the breakthrough viruses can linger, so singers could find themselves unable to sing. (The virus affects the lungs.) Osnes can certainly forgo the vaccine. She may have medical reasons not to. But if she does, it is not right for her to accept work that makes her a hazzard to others. |
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| re: You know that is absolute baloney, right??? | |
| Posted by: SQ 10:29 pm EDT 08/18/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Laura Osnes I Know - Teacher64 10:02 pm EDT 08/18/21 | |
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| The workers in Provincetown, MA who were fully vaccinated who came down with Covid. Or have you been burying your head in the sand again? You really should change your username to something else other than "Teacher" because it is disrespectful of good teachers. |
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| re: You know that is absolute baloney, right??? | |
| Posted by: Teacher64 01:24 am EDT 08/19/21 | |
| In reply to: re: You know that is absolute baloney, right??? - SQ 10:29 pm EDT 08/18/21 | |
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| So, if you get vaccinated but you can still get Covid then what's the point of getting vaccinated? | |
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| I truly hope that Teacher 64 does not actually, you know, teach anything to anyone | |
| Posted by: broadwaybacker 11:27 am EDT 08/19/21 | |
| In reply to: re: You know that is absolute baloney, right??? - Teacher64 01:24 am EDT 08/19/21 | |
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| As others have correctly noted, the profound ignorance of this poster is difficult to read. Not only is virtually everything they say wrong on its face, it's dangerous. The vaccines are approximately 95% effective against serious illness, and about 99% effective against death. These statistics are readily available. It's the unvaccinated who are filling up the ICU beds in hospitals across the country, mainly in the southeast. In addition, there is ZERO evidence that any of our anti-viral vaccines, including the COVID-19 vaccine, has ever had an impact on the ability to become pregnant. |
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| re: I truly hope that Teacher 64 does not actually, you know, teach anything to anyone | |
| Posted by: Teacher64 04:14 pm EDT 08/19/21 | |
| In reply to: I truly hope that Teacher 64 does not actually, you know, teach anything to anyone - broadwaybacker 11:27 am EDT 08/19/21 | |
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| "It's the unvaccinated who are filling up the ICU beds in hospitals across the country..." From The NY Times: "Breakthrough infections in vaccinated people accounted for at least one in five newly diagnosed cases in six of these states and higher percentages of total hospitalizations and deaths than had been previously observed in all of them, according to figures gathered by The New York Times." Hmmm, I wonder why we were not told about this a month ago? Maybe they did not know about this a month ago. And now they're saying we are going to need booster shots 8 months after our last vaccination. Why didn't they tell us this before? Maybe because they didn't know about this before. Fact is, there is a LOT of stuff about this vaccine that they really don't know. That's why they keep moving the finish line. Some people might feel comfortable getting an experimental vaccine for a virus with a higher than 98% survival rate, but some might not. I support the people who want to get vaccinated, and I support the people who do not want to get vaccinated. I would consider your vaccination status to be between you and your primary care physician. Your vaccination status is NONE OF MY BUSINESS and my vaccination status is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. And, if you're worried about children getting Covid I have great news! Children are the least likely to get the virus, they are the least likely to be hospitalized for the virus, and they are the least likely to die from it. |
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| re: I truly hope that Teacher 64 does not actually, you know, teach anything to anyone | |
| Posted by: Roman 11:52 pm EDT 08/19/21 | |
| In reply to: re: I truly hope that Teacher 64 does not actually, you know, teach anything to anyone - Teacher64 04:14 pm EDT 08/19/21 | |
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| How many bells are there? | |
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| re: I truly hope that Teacher 64 does not actually, you know, teach anything to anyone | |
| Posted by: whereismikeyfl 07:09 pm EDT 08/19/21 | |
| In reply to: re: I truly hope that Teacher 64 does not actually, you know, teach anything to anyone - Teacher64 04:14 pm EDT 08/19/21 | |
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| Again, bringing you up to speed on what you seem to have missed. We were told about the breakthrough infections a month ago. I am surprised that you missed it. The possible need for a booster has been discussed for months. I do not know how you could have missed that. But as the story says, it is mostly unvaccinated people who are filling the hospital beds and dying of the virus.. Vaccinated people get sick from breakout viruses but mostly ride it out at home and survive. You seem to think that vaccinated people are filling the ICU beds. That is not the case. I think most people know that children are the least likely to get the virus. But most people would like to minimize the chances as much as possible. Exposure is so widespread that while children are least likely to die from it, there are some dying from it. Knowing their children were unlikely to catch covid is not much comfort when they die from it. You are right your vaccination status is no one's business, as long as you do not increase anyone's risk. Osnes never had to take a job that would bring her into close contact with others, performing one of the highest risk activities there is. Had she exercised better judgement, no one would be concerned with her status. |
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| Here's real statistic from one hospital | |
| Posted by: Kaoru 05:00 pm EDT 08/19/21 | |
| In reply to: re: I truly hope that Teacher 64 does not actually, you know, teach anything to anyone - Teacher64 04:14 pm EDT 08/19/21 | |
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| Since you brought up children's case, here is the actual statistic and case: https://health.ucdavis.edu/media-resources/contenthub/health-news/2021/08/pdf/graph1.pdf In this chart you can see comparing to January 2021, August 2021 stat shows an increase in 0-19 yo patients (admitted to the hospital), 12% to 17%, and in August, the ratio of this age group and 60+ yo and up are the same (17%). "Some of the patients he is seeing are very young. “A woman came in with her toddler, who was ill. The mother had been vaccinated, but her boyfriend had not. Her toddler ended up getting COVID, which was very upsetting for her.” " You can read it in the link below. Are you saying it's okay for a young child to get COVID virus because "they are the least likely to die from it"?? Surely you are out of your mind if you actually believe it. One more infected child/adult is too many especially they may have long lasting effects in their health. Since the children under 12 yo cannot get a vaccine yet, we, adults, should get a vaccine to protect them. |
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| Link | Emergency Department sees highest number of COVID-19 cases so far in 2021 |
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| re: I truly hope that Teacher 64 does not actually, you know, teach anything to anyone | |
| Posted by: showtunetrivia 04:57 pm EDT 08/19/21 | |
| In reply to: re: I truly hope that Teacher 64 does not actually, you know, teach anything to anyone - Teacher64 04:14 pm EDT 08/19/21 | |
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| You are far from update on COVID research, Teacher64. It’s true children seemed to be not as vulnerable to the original strain of the virus. That’s not the case with the Delta variant. It’s more contagious to everyone, and the rates of children being infected, hospitalized, and dying are climbing. To say nothing of the serious post-COVID inflammatory issues that have afflicted many kids. What’s more, they have been discussing the likelihood of needing boosters for months. You’ve clearly had your head…elsewhere. It’s similar to the way you need a new flu shot each year, and they try to tailor the new shot to what they think the dominant flu virus will be. Because viruses change. They mutate. And science responds. Oh, and those “experimental” vaccines? They’re building on decades of research on coronaviruses. They had a vaccine for canine coronavirus in 1991. They developed a vaccine for the first SARS (human coronavirus) that hit in 2002, but the virus died out, making it impossible to get funding for clinical trials. Laura, who has immunocompromised family members literally in danger from the crap spewed by Teacher64 and others like him |
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| Are you certain you want those horrific last words in print? | |
| Posted by: wisebear 04:51 pm EDT 08/19/21 | |
| In reply to: re: I truly hope that Teacher 64 does not actually, you know, teach anything to anyone - Teacher64 04:14 pm EDT 08/19/21 | |
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| That last sentence shows you to be a monster. There’s a level of infecting children that you’re okay with. That’s disgusting to me. Of course you are again ignoring the science, which indicates long-term complications for children even if their case was initially mild. I’m sorry for you that you’ve been brainwashed by misinformation. But I cannot fathom being okay with spreading illness to children and the compromised. I believe you’re a very dangerous person. |
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| And the paragraph following the one you quoted | |
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| Posted by: Ann 04:22 pm EDT 08/19/21 | |
| In reply to: re: I truly hope that Teacher 64 does not actually, you know, teach anything to anyone - Teacher64 04:14 pm EDT 08/19/21 | |
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| "The absolute numbers remain very low, however, and there is little doubt that the vaccines remain powerfully protective. This continues to be “a pandemic of the unvaccinated,” as federal health officials have often said." Yes, we now know there are breakthrough cases. I'm vaccinated (I'm fine with you knowing that) and I've gone back to wearing a mask in public places. Yes, children have a lower rate of getting COVID, but who knows with the next variant. And I wouldn't forgive myself if I was the cause of my grandson getting the virus. |
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| Posted by: whereismikeyfl 07:24 pm EDT 08/19/21 | |
| In reply to: And the paragraph following the one you quoted - Ann 04:22 pm EDT 08/19/21 | |
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| I think Dr. Blythe Adamson on the last Variety Stagecraft podcast makes a strong point about changing precautions. She supervises the COVID safety measures for Pass Over. She points out that precautions will change as the numbers change, as rates of infection change. People seem to understand that viruses mutate, but are in shock that precautions change in response. If you want an unchanging precaution, then lockdown would be the way to go. But if we want to let people go out into the world, there will have to be changes over time as the circumstances change. |
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| re: I truly hope that Teacher 64 does not actually, you know, teach anything to anyone | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 02:35 pm EDT 08/19/21 | |
| In reply to: I truly hope that Teacher 64 does not actually, you know, teach anything to anyone - broadwaybacker 11:27 am EDT 08/19/21 | |
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| As others have correctly noted, the profound ignorance of this poster is difficult to read. I think he's still worried about shows touring in burning cities. He clearly has a lot on his mind. [insert eye roll emoji here] |
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| re: by your logic | |
| Posted by: SQ 09:20 am EDT 08/19/21 | |
| In reply to: re: You know that is absolute baloney, right??? - Teacher64 01:24 am EDT 08/19/21 | |
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| Why did Americans get vaccinated for polio, smallpox, tetanus, measles, tuberculosis, etc. etc ???? I much prefer not to be back in the Dark Ages and die once we are infected with a deadly disease. . |
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| Posted by: Teacher64 10:33 am EDT 08/19/21 | |
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| All of those vaccines are approved by the FDA and are not considered "experimental". | |
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| I have no reason to think you will correctly process this information but... | |
| Posted by: ryhog 03:02 pm EDT 08/19/21 | |
| In reply to: re: by your logic - Teacher64 10:33 am EDT 08/19/21 | |
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| the covid vaccines are not considered experimental. There are no experiments underway (except as to the new uses such as kids under 12, booster shots, new variants, etc.) The meme of the QAnon crowd that you are pushing misapprehends the nature of the procedures that are required of federal agencies like the FDA before final approval. The purpose of these procedures is to provide everyone notice and an opportunity to be heard, not to provide time for additional experimentation. PS There is also not a computer chip in the vaccine. I'm surprised that you did not try to sell that BS as well. "Better be unborn than untaught, for ignorance is the root of misfortune." ---Plato |
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| Oh you go there, huh? | |
| Posted by: Kaoru 12:43 pm EDT 08/19/21 | |
| In reply to: re: by your logic - Teacher64 10:33 am EDT 08/19/21 | |
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| The monoclonal antibodies treatment that is administered to COVID patients in hospital now is also not FDA approved, it has "an emergency use authorization," just like Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna, and J&J. So with your logic, if you get COVID virus and sick to the point you are hospitalized, you won't ask for monoclonal antibodies treatment although it's proven that it works and you will live, correct? | |
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| Posted by: MockingbirdGirl 11:32 am EDT 08/19/21 | |
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| Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna, and the Janssen (J&J) Covid-19 vaccines have all received emergency authorization from the FDA. "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt." |
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| Posted by: Teacher64 04:37 pm EDT 08/19/21 | |
| In reply to: re: by your logic - MockingbirdGirl 11:32 am EDT 08/19/21 | |
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| Emergency authorization and full authorization are not the same. One requires the recipients of the vaccine to be monitored for a longer period of time, as adverse impact might not be seen for months or even years. And some people are old enough to remember the rushed into production swine flue vaccine of the 1970s that resulted in hundreds of people developing the paralyzing Guillain-Barré syndrome. I forget whether it was 60 Minutes or 20/20 that interviewed that poor woman who was perfectly healthy upon taking the vaccine, and was in a wheelchair and barely able to speak by the time they interviewed her for the story. So, some people might prefer to wait for full authorization. |
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| Posted by: whereismikeyfl 07:37 pm EDT 08/19/21 | |
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| I do not get why you dismiss the risks to children from the COVID but seem to think that the small increase in GBS cases is worth noting. This kind of inconsistency says a lot. The differences in the two cases are strong. The COVID vaccine was developed over the decade and the targeting of this strain was done over a year by a number of different companies. The Swine flu vaccine was developed by one team and rushed out within months. So when the full authorization is granted in a few weeks, will you change your tune? |
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| Posted by: MockingbirdGirl 05:56 pm EDT 08/19/21 | |
| In reply to: re: by your logic - Teacher64 04:37 pm EDT 08/19/21 | |
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| Emergency authorization and full authorization are not the same. Yeah, no shit. But you know what else isn't the same? Emergency authorization and "experimental" treatments. If you want to be the accuracy police, start in the mirror. |
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| At least you're all in | |
| Posted by: Ann 11:03 am EDT 08/19/21 | |
| In reply to: re: by your logic - Teacher64 10:33 am EDT 08/19/21 | |
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| And when the vaccine is approved, the outcry will be "They approved it too fast!" | |
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| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 10:58 am EDT 08/19/21 | |
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| The one good thing that Trump did as president was to authorize by executive order the development of the vaccines at warp speed to begin saving lives. Today's vaccines are so far "experimental". Of course, he knew that at the get-go. Nevertheless, they have been deemed to be safe and they do work. Trump, his family, Giuliani, Chris Christie, and their cronies were among the first to be vaccinated -- along with Tucker Carlson, his wife and kids. They may all be jerks, but they're not fools. Generally, it can take months or even years for the FDA to approve a vaccine. However, when the country is hit with a plague and people are dying by the thousands, a safe "experimental" vaccine is still the best, really the only way to combat the virus. Every indication is that the FDA will be officially approving some, and eventually all, of the vaccines very, very soon. However, it is critically important that everyone get vaccinated right away to stop the spread. Delaying a decision only results in more loss of life. |
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| Posted by: showtunetrivia 12:01 pm EDT 08/19/21 | |
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| The other thing is, this vaccine didn’t appear overnight, even though it looks like Dr. McCoy mixed it in sick bay to save everyone in 50 minutes before the episode ended. We first encountered coronaviruses in 1930, when a strange respiratory infection wiped out poultry farms in the Midwest. We knew they were something animals could get; I had a cat die of it in a weird presentation that went to her brain. We actually had an early vaccine for canine coronavirus…in 1991. When the virus jumped from bats to humans in 2002 (SARS-1), there was serious potential that it could have gone the way COVID19 did. But because it wasn’t as infectious and with strict quarantine and isolation, it didn’t. The early canine vaccine did show some effect, and the researchers began working on one for SARS, using that and other work on animal coronaviruses. They actually came up with a vaccine that was effective against SARS-1, but lacked the funding for clinical trials, and as the virus had pretty much died out by then, there wasn’t much opportunity to continue. Big Pharma certainly wasn’t going to invest in a vaccine for a virus that wasn’t a threat. But all of that was there when COVID hit. The groundwork was there for the lightning fast creation of the vaccine. Laura |
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| Posted by: Roman 08:56 am EDT 08/19/21 | |
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| She’s the one who put up the stickers! She’s the one who put up the stickers! |
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| Seriously? | |
| Posted by: MockingbirdGirl 07:38 am EDT 08/19/21 | |
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| What’s the point of birth control if there’s still a chance of getting pregnant? | |
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| re: You know that is absolute baloney, right??? | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 07:00 am EDT 08/19/21 | |
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| Your ignorance is astounding. The vaccination is the best defense we have right now against Covid. It is 99% effective against death and hospitalization. However, no vaccine is 100% effective against the virus, so masking and keeping social distance is necessary too especially for indoor events or even when in crowds outdoors. Covid takes no prisoners. If 90% of the populace were vaccinated, we would defeat the virus because it would not be able to spread. Other countries have done it. New Zealand is the best example. Because Trump has made it a political issue and because of attitudes like that of Osnes and frankly because of ignorance like yours, we may be years away from vanquishing this terrible disease which has already claimed the lives of over 615,000 souls in the U.S. Get your head out of your ass and become informed. |
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| Well said, Tony! | |
| Posted by: showtunetrivia 09:49 am EDT 08/19/21 | |
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| Teacher64 needs to learn this. Laura |
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| re: You know that is absolute baloney, right??? | |
| Posted by: Ann 06:50 am EDT 08/19/21 | |
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| To be in a better position to avoid the greater suffering of the disease when it is contracted. To help bring COVID to a place where it can really be treated like the flu. To help protect those who truly cannot get vaccinated. |
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| Posted by: FortPeck 10:43 pm EDT 08/18/21 | |
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| Thank you SQ. A ridiculous post by "Teacher", not to mention the fact that lots of our fellow citizens can't get vaccinated (including everyone under the age of 12). | |
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| Thank you!!! | |
| Posted by: MTPROF77 07:46 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
| In reply to: The Laura Osnes I Know - claploudly 03:07 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
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| Yes, yes, and more yes! Thank you for this lovely story. Kindness is, indeed, what the world needs more of. | |
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| Posted by: ryhog 01:27 am EDT 08/18/21 | |
| In reply to: Thank you!!! - MTPROF77 07:46 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
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| I wrote a longish and not very pleasant response to the OP, which I deleted without posting (something I do more often than some might believe). But your post infuriated me to the point of regretting that I had not posted it. Let's review what "we" (by which I mean the rational world community as opposed to the "we" referred to in Osnes's statement, which was her and her husband) know: people who don't get vaccinated kill people. That's not open to debate. People who don't get vaccinated harm people, depriving them of their ability to work (and in particular, among Osnes's former colleagues, of their ability to use the gifts bestowed on their lungs and vocal chords). That's not open to debate either. So now to the question: in what moral universe is some random act of kindness by Osnes the kindness "the world needs more of" to the extent that it warrants, even to a tiny degree, the wanton act of walking around in the world unvaccinated? I do thank you for giving me clarity about what it being proposed in this thread. I do hope we can move on to some more pleasant topics on this board but this is intolerable. |
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| re: Thank you!!! | |
| Posted by: jgerard 11:43 am EDT 08/18/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Thank you!!! - ryhog 01:27 am EDT 08/18/21 | |
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| Bravo. To the freedom-crying anti-vaxxers (like the guy in the subway shouting "1776! 1776!" at an elderly woman wearing a mask, as well as to the subject of these posts) I'd ask," So you're OK with speeding through a red light because it infringes on your freedom? What's the difference?" Freedom doesn't supersede the social contract without which we cannot survive. | |
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| re: Thank you!!! | |
| Posted by: ryhog 04:51 pm EDT 08/18/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Thank you!!! - jgerard 11:43 am EDT 08/18/21 | |
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| Earlier today I also read a forest fire related analogy that I thought was interesting. Not getting vaccinated is like leaving a burning ember. One might think that it won't be a big deal because the wind is blowing away from the forest. But the wind shifts and devastation we can't control follows. With Covid, that shifting wind is what brought Delta, and what will bring Lambda. Osnes and her band of Satans are fueling the fire and as we have sadly learned from the fires, we can't fool mother nature. To those who say let's move on and let this "kind" woman have her greed. We can't: this is existential; if she gets her way, we lose the theatre. |
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| Arnold Schwarzenegger actually had an excellent analogy | |
| Last Edit: PlayWiz 01:36 pm EDT 08/18/21 | |
| Posted by: PlayWiz 01:35 pm EDT 08/18/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Thank you!!! - jgerard 11:43 am EDT 08/18/21 | |
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| for anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers when they bring up the freedom argument: "You cannot just say, ‘I have the right to do x, y, and z,’ when you affect other people. That is when it gets serious. It’s like, no different than a traffic light. They put the traffic light in the intersection so someone doesn’t kill someone else by accident. You cannot say, ‘No one is going to tell me that I’m going to stop here, I’m going to go right through it.’ Yeah, then you kill someone else,” he said. “It is the same thing with the virus. You cannot go and not put the mask on because when you breathe you can infect someone else, and you can infect someone that then gets sick and may die.” |
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| A-MEN. | |
| Last Edit: ShowGoer 09:12 am EDT 08/18/21 | |
| Posted by: ShowGoer 09:07 am EDT 08/18/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Thank you!!! - ryhog 01:27 am EDT 08/18/21 | |
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| This isn’t a political debate – This isn’t like those people who saw Chad Kimball posting things in defense of Trump and vaguely posting about “civil liberties” with regard to not wanting to wear a mask to sing in church or whatever it was a year and a half ago, and then hoping or surmising (quite correctly, as it turned out) that he would not be welcomed back to “Come From Away”. This is about common sense, a major health crisis, and the very decency, morality, & values that Osnes as a proud Christian woman (and role model to many young fans) would probably claim she tries to embody and live by. So what is similarly not open to debate is that she simply WILL NOT work on Broadway again until she changes her mind and gets vaccinated… or unless enough time goes by that vaccines no longer matter. But the latter choice seems like it’s years away, and every day that goes by without her making the former, rational, & responsible choice makes it less likely that anyone will want to work with her regardless, now or later, and for even more serious and important reasons than what has apparently stalled Kimball’s career. These are all facts, plain and simple. And the observation that’s she made a young girl’s day 10 years ago (just as I’m sure she was nice to many others) doesn’t mitigate the anger concerning the issue at hand or the disappointment and frustration in her current position one bit, any more than those of us objectively pointing out the unmistakable truth that she is being (at best) dangerously irresponsible now means that we are filled with “hate” or “vitriol” or some amorphous lack of “kindness”. As a leading ingenue in her field, she undoubtedly has been a hero to many young women in the last decade. That’s what makes her insistence on “standing by [her] decision” to not get vaccinated in the face of rising case numbers and dwindling ICU beds seem so appallingly, unforgivably selfish, as it proves that whatever generosity of spirit she may have shown in the past, today she is simply not concerned at all with the common good. (I should add, if her version of events matched up with reality, that she didn’t mislead anyone about her vaccination status and that her withdrawal from the production was “drama-free”, some of her “Crazy for You” castmates and colleagues would assuredly be coming forward to back up that dubious claim.) And this position of hers, I can say with much more certainty than any conjecture about Chad Kimball a year ago, will haunt her forever, and has already severely damaged her career, very possibly beyond repair. |
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| re: Thank you!!! | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 12:13 am EDT 08/18/21 | |
| In reply to: Thank you!!! - MTPROF77 07:46 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
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| And the easiest way to show kindness is to get vaccinated. | |
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| re: The Laura Osnes I Know | |
| Last Edit: Chromolume 06:25 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 06:21 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
| In reply to: The Laura Osnes I Know - claploudly 03:07 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
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| I don't know Ms. Osnes. I do know several people who have worked with her - one is a close colleague and friend of mine who was in one of her recent shows. I'm not about to ask them their opinions of this situation - I feel putting them on the spot is wrong. But I would be very surprised if they didn't say 2 things - one, that she was great to work with and a great person, and two, that they are upset at how she is handling this. The story you relate is wonderful. I'm sure it's far from the only such story. But that doesn't mean she's 100% angelic, it doesn't mean she's not capable of horrible, selfish actions, and it doesn't mean that those of us who find her decisions around the vaccine very hurtful should let our feelings slide simply because she's done some nice things. If you haven't noticed, our current social/political climate is incredibly volatile, and certainly all issues around Covid and the vaccine are going to be hot. For those of us who are very upset that so many people in this country are choosing not to get vaccinated, any news that "one of us" (i.e. someone that we have looked up to in the theatre profession) is avoiding the vaccine, no matter what the issue is, is going to provoke a lot of anger. You may call it "vitriol," I prefer to see it as a very understandable emotional reaction. You'd better fasten your seat belt (and wear your mask), because this is going to continue to be a very passionate and divisive and ugly issue to have to deal with. After the virus has completely and ruthlessly disrupted our lives and livelihoods for a year and a half now, many of us simply will have no tolerance for people who will not take good advantage of every form of prevention available to us, and who could possibly endanger others by not doing so. I can't take this lightly - many of us can't. So we will speak out, and yes, sometimes we will be very harsh and very judgmental because we simply can't be "nice" about this. That's what happens when you've been suddenly denied a "normal" life for all this time. We are not "grade school bullies" and I resent that you see us that way. I am not really upset that you are trying to come to Ms. Osnes' defense. That's your right. But I am upset that you don't understand why we are so angry about her decisions, and are attacking us in return for that. Thank you for listening. |
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| re: The Laura Osnes I Know | |
| Posted by: larry13 09:08 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Laura Osnes I Know - Chromolume 06:21 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
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| Very very well put--as you so often do. I would only add that in this instance(and I guess, not so surprising, with many others too)the situation is of course inflamed by the whole religious aspect. This is someone( a huge talent)who buys into the intolerance and outrageous beliefs of her church. |
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| re: The Laura Osnes I Know | |
| Posted by: claploudly 07:50 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Laura Osnes I Know - Chromolume 06:21 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
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| Of course I understand Chromolume. I also wish that she and her hubby were vaccinated, but I don't know either of their medical histories to be able to give them scientific advice. I have one good friend here in Ojai with whom I had this discussion last week. I was furious when she told me she had not been vaccinated. But then she told me she couldn't be. She wasn't forthcoming with the reason why. But I wouldn't give up and kept on it. She finally told me that for 19 years she has suffered from a chronic, neurological disease. One I have never heard of before. (I am not in the medical field so why would I?) She just really didn't want friends to know. She wears a mask and gets tested every three months as do I. But her neurologist advised her against vaccination. So I do understand now. I just wish that people on this board weren't so vindictive to Ms. Osnes and her husband. It is one thing to wish that everyone got vaccinated (as I certainly do), but another to wish evil upon them. Like ending her career. Especially if they don't know all the facts including the miscommunications between The Guild and her as she explained clearly in my mind. Peace everyone and stay well. Let's put this one to bed please. | |
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| "three months" | |
| Posted by: whereismikeyfl 08:31 am EDT 08/18/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Laura Osnes I Know - claploudly 07:50 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
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| I am still trying to wrap my brain around getting tested "every three months." Before the vaccine, some people's work required getting tested two or three times a week. What good is getting tested every three months when the disease acts a lot faster than that? |
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| Posted by: LynnB 06:14 pm EDT 08/18/21 | |
| In reply to: "three months" - whereismikeyfl 08:31 am EDT 08/18/21 | |
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| re: The Laura Osnes I Know | |
| Posted by: mikem 10:31 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Laura Osnes I Know - claploudly 07:50 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
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| Perhaps Osnes is being deliberately misleading, but her Instagram statement strongly implies that she does NOT have a relevant underlying medical condition, but rather that she does not believe in the scientific data. She also doesn't say anything about religious beliefs guiding her decision. She just doesn't find the data to be convincing. She says, "Someday, perhaps we will feel more confident in the research to consider a different position." | |
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| Posted by: Roman 08:51 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Laura Osnes I Know - claploudly 07:50 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
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| Put it to bed?! You brought it back up! | |
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| Posted by: MockingbirdGirl 10:13 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Laura Osnes I Know - Roman 08:51 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
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| "I started a whole new thread on this topic. Now, everyone please stop talking about it!" :-D | |
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| Posted by: Roman 10:41 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Laura Osnes I Know - MockingbirdGirl 10:13 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
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| I wish you could hear how hard that made me laugh. | |
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| Posted by: Chromolume 07:54 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
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| Thank you. :-) It is one thing to wish that everyone got vaccinated (as I certainly do), but another to wish evil upon them. Like ending her career. To be fair, most of us aren't pushing for her career to end, we just feel that given the state of things, it's possible that her career MAY end because many people may not want to work with her. And I'm personally not into any of this "cancel" bullshit. |
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| Posted by: den 08:28 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Laura Osnes I Know - Chromolume 07:54 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
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| While I think everyone should be vaccinated, I do not see why it is necessary for posters to feel that her career should end or that she should never work on stage again. Certainly she should not be in THIS show at THIS time without a vaccination. But someday ... maybe ... all this will be over. Ms. Osnes is immensely talented, and I'd certainly see her in a show if and when it becomes possible for the unvaccinated to work safely with those who have been vaccinated and those who have not. I see no justification to be vindictive forever. | |
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| People have not been saying her career "should" end. They were said it "would" end. And that is understandable, because many feel a trust has been broken. While there are some people who cannot take the vaccine because of preexisting conditions, the ones I know are careful not to put others --or themselves--at risk. To do a public performance knowing that you are an above average risk to your colleagues and audience, is bound to cause distrust. Plus her willingness to put her own health at risk, raises other issues--especially if she already has an underlying medical condition. It not vindictive. Just like it is not a vindictive act to refuse a ride offered by someone who drives above speed limits or to refuse to have a dinner cooked by someone with bad hygiene. Ms, Osnes indeed sounds like a lovely person, but her actions here raise obvious questions. You do not have to be vindictive or mean to note that few people will be comfortable working with her. |
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| Posted by: Roman 08:53 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
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| If her career ends, it won’t be because of anyone wishing it so. It’ll be because of the choices Ms. Osnes herself has made. This entire mess is one of her own creation. Not one other soul is to blame. | |
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| I hope she is banned from doing that today | |
| Posted by: dramedy 06:05 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
| In reply to: The Laura Osnes I Know - claploudly 03:07 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
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| As you stated it happened at an elementary school. None of the kids would be vaccinated and ALL susceptible to getting covid from an adult. It is more likely spread by unvaccinated. Also, I’m sure that Harvey Weinstein, Kevin spacey and Donald trump have plenty of examples of when they were nice. That doesn’t negate the negative acts since. |
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| Last Edit: ShowGoer 05:36 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
| Posted by: ShowGoer 05:35 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
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| "One of you obviously exaggerated by writing you had spoken to 100 (really??) industry people over this past weekend who said they would never work with her again." Ann, SingaporeFling, MockingbirdGirl, Roman and others have said it perfectly so I don't need to pile on about the general reaction to your post. But while I should maybe let it go, as the person who you're referring to above, I have to take issue with what you said there. Maybe the non-profit sector operates differently, maybe you're not familiar with the practice of rolling calls, maybe you just haven't been on any Zoom meetings over the last year, but whatever the case, I can promise you in my sphere of work it's entirely possible to speak to over 100 people in one DAY. The Page Six article hit early Thursday evening, and rightly or wrongly Laura Osnes was one of the first topics in every conversation I've had since then, so by this morning when I wrote my post – nearly 5 days later – I can promise it had come up at least 100 times, or I wouldn't have said what I said. My survey wasn't scientific, nor was it meant to be; I have no doubt there are some in the industry, including many who know her, who might give her another chance given the choice down the road if circumstances have changed, and (far from everyone here "hoping to end Laura's career", as you claim) I'm sure that almost everyone who's enjoyed working with her or has enjoyed her performances are on a certain level heartbroken at this turn of events. But for you to claim that you know what's in any of our minds, or to state with arrogant certainty that someone you don't know has "obviously exaggerated" the number of people I've spoken to about it, is, frankly, almost as ridiculous as overgeneralizing about "The Laura You Know" based on one isolated anecdote from when you crossed paths with her for a few hours almost a decade ago. |
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| Posted by: schlepper 05:41 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The ShowGoer You Don't Know - ShowGoer 05:35 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
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| And I can "assure you" that the Broadway industry is not having "rolling calls" or multiple large Zoom meetings over the course of a weekend in August. Also I was on an industry Zoom with over 200 people last week -- but that doesn't mean I "spoke" to 200 people. In other words, try dialing it back a notch, bub. |
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| Posted by: Leon_W 06:54 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The ShowGoer You Don't Know - schlepper 05:41 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
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| “ the Broadway industry is not having "rolling calls" or multiple large Zoom meetings over the course of a weekend in August” They are just reopening after 18 months, I am not an industry insider like you guys but I would have thought now was exactly the time that there were a million meetings happening as rehearsals are starting and everything ramping up again? |
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| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 12:12 am EDT 08/18/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The ShowGoer You Don't Know - Leon_W 06:54 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
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| And ShowGoer specifically pointed out that they weren’t working over the weekend… | |
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| Thank you for explaining: Schlepper, you clearly don’t have the first clue how this business actually works. | |
| Last Edit: ShowGoer 09:29 am EDT 08/18/21 | |
| Posted by: ShowGoer 09:14 am EDT 08/18/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The ShowGoer You Don't Know - Singapore/Fling 12:12 am EDT 08/18/21 | |
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| As evidenced by the fact that you mind-bogglingly thought CBS somehow was able to buy LL Cool J a Kennedy Center Honor as a negotiating perk to entice him to stay on an NCIS TV show that he was already under contract for for multiple seasons. (I don’t think Barrett Foa is departing the same show this season because he was passed over for a Kennedy Center Honor in favor of Bette Midler.) With all due respect. Bub. |
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| re: Thank you for explaining: Schlepper, you clearly don’t have the first clue how this business actually works. | |
| Posted by: schlepper 02:20 pm EDT 08/18/21 | |
| In reply to: Thank you for explaining: Schlepper, you clearly don’t have the first clue how this business actually works. - ShowGoer 09:14 am EDT 08/18/21 | |
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| Glad to see that my posts have had a lasting effect on you, "bub"! I don't quite get how you make the leap from LL Cool J to Barrett Foa -- but whatever floats your boat. | |
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| re: Thank you for explaining: Schlepper, you clearly don’t have the first clue how this business actually works. | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 07:10 pm EDT 08/18/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Thank you for explaining: Schlepper, you clearly don’t have the first clue how this business actually works. - schlepper 02:20 pm EDT 08/18/21 | |
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| Posted by: KingSpeed 04:33 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
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| Nothing kind about supporting that church she goes to. | |
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| Last Edit: Ann 04:08 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
| Posted by: Ann 04:04 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
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| That is a very nice story. And I'm sure she's done other nice things. But those friends of yours who can't get vaccinated because of medical conditions? People like Laura are choosing to put them in mortal danger. That's not very kind, to me. | |
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| Last Edit: Roman 03:54 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
| Posted by: Roman 03:43 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
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| kindness is not "the one thing" our country needs right now... (nm) | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 03:40 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
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| re: kindness is not "the one thing" our country needs right now... (nm) | |
| Posted by: Roman 03:44 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
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| Thank you. Nor is puffery. Give me the proverbial break. | |
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| Posted by: MockingbirdGirl 03:38 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
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| I have two friends out here in Ojai, CA where I now live, who explained to me that they have medical conditions which led their doctors to advise them strongly not to get vaccinated. At the risk of seeming "venomous" or "vitriolic," is there anything to suggest that Laura's decision is based on a medical condition that makes vaccination unsafe? Because her own public statement suggests that it's rather that she does not feel "confident in the research"—and I question her medical qualifications for making that determination. I've no doubt she can be a kind and lovely person... but until kindness can stop the delta variant, I don't want to be anywhere near her. |
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| Posted by: Roman 03:45 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
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| Succinctly put. As usual. Thank you. | |
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| Posted by: andrea 03:37 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
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| Thank you for posting. I too wish everyone would get vaccinated but I found many of the earlier comments just plain hateful. Not what we need right now. | |
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| re: The Laura Osnes You Know Is Still an Anti-Vaxxer | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 03:35 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
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| She can be a lovely person who did a nice thing and also be an anti-vaxxer putting others at risk by refusing to get the shot. One does not change the other. | |
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| Posted by: Ned3301 03:33 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
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| Posted by: Billhaven 03:19 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
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| A lovely post. Thanks for recounting that story. | |
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| re: The Laura Osnes I Know | |
| Posted by: Snowgrace 03:17 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
| In reply to: The Laura Osnes I Know - claploudly 03:07 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
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| Thank you for sharing that beautiful example of Ms. Osnes' kindness & mission as an artist. | |
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| re: The Laura Osnes I Know | |
| Posted by: chrismpls 05:17 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Laura Osnes I Know - Snowgrace 03:17 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
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| Yes, thank you. Totally makes up for her spreading misinformation in the middle of a deadly pandemic that has decimated her field. | |
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| re: The Laura Osnes I Know | |
| Posted by: claploudly 05:56 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Laura Osnes I Know - chrismpls 05:17 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
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| I have never appreciated the taste of venom. | |
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