Threaded Order Chronological Order
| re: The Laura Osnes I Know | |
| Last Edit: Chromolume 06:25 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 06:21 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
| In reply to: The Laura Osnes I Know - claploudly 03:07 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
|
|
|
| I don't know Ms. Osnes. I do know several people who have worked with her - one is a close colleague and friend of mine who was in one of her recent shows. I'm not about to ask them their opinions of this situation - I feel putting them on the spot is wrong. But I would be very surprised if they didn't say 2 things - one, that she was great to work with and a great person, and two, that they are upset at how she is handling this. The story you relate is wonderful. I'm sure it's far from the only such story. But that doesn't mean she's 100% angelic, it doesn't mean she's not capable of horrible, selfish actions, and it doesn't mean that those of us who find her decisions around the vaccine very hurtful should let our feelings slide simply because she's done some nice things. If you haven't noticed, our current social/political climate is incredibly volatile, and certainly all issues around Covid and the vaccine are going to be hot. For those of us who are very upset that so many people in this country are choosing not to get vaccinated, any news that "one of us" (i.e. someone that we have looked up to in the theatre profession) is avoiding the vaccine, no matter what the issue is, is going to provoke a lot of anger. You may call it "vitriol," I prefer to see it as a very understandable emotional reaction. You'd better fasten your seat belt (and wear your mask), because this is going to continue to be a very passionate and divisive and ugly issue to have to deal with. After the virus has completely and ruthlessly disrupted our lives and livelihoods for a year and a half now, many of us simply will have no tolerance for people who will not take good advantage of every form of prevention available to us, and who could possibly endanger others by not doing so. I can't take this lightly - many of us can't. So we will speak out, and yes, sometimes we will be very harsh and very judgmental because we simply can't be "nice" about this. That's what happens when you've been suddenly denied a "normal" life for all this time. We are not "grade school bullies" and I resent that you see us that way. I am not really upset that you are trying to come to Ms. Osnes' defense. That's your right. But I am upset that you don't understand why we are so angry about her decisions, and are attacking us in return for that. Thank you for listening. |
|
| reply to this message |
| re: The Laura Osnes I Know | |
| Posted by: larry13 09:08 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Laura Osnes I Know - Chromolume 06:21 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
|
|
|
| Very very well put--as you so often do. I would only add that in this instance(and I guess, not so surprising, with many others too)the situation is of course inflamed by the whole religious aspect. This is someone( a huge talent)who buys into the intolerance and outrageous beliefs of her church. |
|
| reply to this message |
| re: The Laura Osnes I Know | |
| Posted by: claploudly 07:50 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Laura Osnes I Know - Chromolume 06:21 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
|
|
|
| Of course I understand Chromolume. I also wish that she and her hubby were vaccinated, but I don't know either of their medical histories to be able to give them scientific advice. I have one good friend here in Ojai with whom I had this discussion last week. I was furious when she told me she had not been vaccinated. But then she told me she couldn't be. She wasn't forthcoming with the reason why. But I wouldn't give up and kept on it. She finally told me that for 19 years she has suffered from a chronic, neurological disease. One I have never heard of before. (I am not in the medical field so why would I?) She just really didn't want friends to know. She wears a mask and gets tested every three months as do I. But her neurologist advised her against vaccination. So I do understand now. I just wish that people on this board weren't so vindictive to Ms. Osnes and her husband. It is one thing to wish that everyone got vaccinated (as I certainly do), but another to wish evil upon them. Like ending her career. Especially if they don't know all the facts including the miscommunications between The Guild and her as she explained clearly in my mind. Peace everyone and stay well. Let's put this one to bed please. | |
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| "three months" | |
| Posted by: whereismikeyfl 08:31 am EDT 08/18/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Laura Osnes I Know - claploudly 07:50 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
|
|
|
| I am still trying to wrap my brain around getting tested "every three months." Before the vaccine, some people's work required getting tested two or three times a week. What good is getting tested every three months when the disease acts a lot faster than that? |
|
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: "three months" | |
| Posted by: LynnB 06:14 pm EDT 08/18/21 | |
| In reply to: "three months" - whereismikeyfl 08:31 am EDT 08/18/21 | |
|
|
|
| Besides, testing is no substitute for getting vaccinated, no matter how often you’re tested. A positive test is after the fact confirmation that you’re infected. By the time you get that confirmation, you may have exposed many other vulnerable people to the virus — people who aren’t yet eligible for the vaccine, like the children filling ICU beds in Texas and Florida. Insisting that refusing to be vaccinated is just a personal choice — an entitlement— is like claiming the right to drive while drunk. You’re risking other people’s lives. |
|
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: The Laura Osnes I Know | |
| Posted by: mikem 10:31 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Laura Osnes I Know - claploudly 07:50 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
|
|
|
| Perhaps Osnes is being deliberately misleading, but her Instagram statement strongly implies that she does NOT have a relevant underlying medical condition, but rather that she does not believe in the scientific data. She also doesn't say anything about religious beliefs guiding her decision. She just doesn't find the data to be convincing. She says, "Someday, perhaps we will feel more confident in the research to consider a different position." | |
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: The Laura Osnes I Know | |
| Posted by: Roman 08:51 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Laura Osnes I Know - claploudly 07:50 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
|
|
|
| Put it to bed?! You brought it back up! | |
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: The Laura Osnes I Know | |
| Posted by: MockingbirdGirl 10:13 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Laura Osnes I Know - Roman 08:51 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
|
|
|
| "I started a whole new thread on this topic. Now, everyone please stop talking about it!" :-D | |
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: The Laura Osnes I Know | |
| Posted by: Roman 10:41 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Laura Osnes I Know - MockingbirdGirl 10:13 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
|
|
|
| I wish you could hear how hard that made me laugh. | |
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: The Laura Osnes I Know | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 07:54 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Laura Osnes I Know - claploudly 07:50 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
|
|
|
| Thank you. :-) It is one thing to wish that everyone got vaccinated (as I certainly do), but another to wish evil upon them. Like ending her career. To be fair, most of us aren't pushing for her career to end, we just feel that given the state of things, it's possible that her career MAY end because many people may not want to work with her. And I'm personally not into any of this "cancel" bullshit. |
|
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: The Laura Osnes I Know | |
| Posted by: den 08:28 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Laura Osnes I Know - Chromolume 07:54 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
|
|
|
| While I think everyone should be vaccinated, I do not see why it is necessary for posters to feel that her career should end or that she should never work on stage again. Certainly she should not be in THIS show at THIS time without a vaccination. But someday ... maybe ... all this will be over. Ms. Osnes is immensely talented, and I'd certainly see her in a show if and when it becomes possible for the unvaccinated to work safely with those who have been vaccinated and those who have not. I see no justification to be vindictive forever. | |
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: The Laura Osnes I Know | |
| Last Edit: whereismikeyfl 09:32 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
| Posted by: whereismikeyfl 09:30 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Laura Osnes I Know - den 08:28 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
|
|
|
| People have not been saying her career "should" end. They were said it "would" end. And that is understandable, because many feel a trust has been broken. While there are some people who cannot take the vaccine because of preexisting conditions, the ones I know are careful not to put others --or themselves--at risk. To do a public performance knowing that you are an above average risk to your colleagues and audience, is bound to cause distrust. Plus her willingness to put her own health at risk, raises other issues--especially if she already has an underlying medical condition. It not vindictive. Just like it is not a vindictive act to refuse a ride offered by someone who drives above speed limits or to refuse to have a dinner cooked by someone with bad hygiene. Ms, Osnes indeed sounds like a lovely person, but her actions here raise obvious questions. You do not have to be vindictive or mean to note that few people will be comfortable working with her. |
|
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: The Laura Osnes I Know | |
| Posted by: Roman 08:53 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Laura Osnes I Know - den 08:28 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
|
|
|
| If her career ends, it won’t be because of anyone wishing it so. It’ll be because of the choices Ms. Osnes herself has made. This entire mess is one of her own creation. Not one other soul is to blame. | |
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
Time to render: 0.039413 seconds.