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| Thank you!!! | |
| Posted by: MTPROF77 07:46 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
| In reply to: The Laura Osnes I Know - claploudly 03:07 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
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| Yes, yes, and more yes! Thank you for this lovely story. Kindness is, indeed, what the world needs more of. | |
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| re: Thank you!!! | |
| Posted by: ryhog 01:27 am EDT 08/18/21 | |
| In reply to: Thank you!!! - MTPROF77 07:46 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
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| I wrote a longish and not very pleasant response to the OP, which I deleted without posting (something I do more often than some might believe). But your post infuriated me to the point of regretting that I had not posted it. Let's review what "we" (by which I mean the rational world community as opposed to the "we" referred to in Osnes's statement, which was her and her husband) know: people who don't get vaccinated kill people. That's not open to debate. People who don't get vaccinated harm people, depriving them of their ability to work (and in particular, among Osnes's former colleagues, of their ability to use the gifts bestowed on their lungs and vocal chords). That's not open to debate either. So now to the question: in what moral universe is some random act of kindness by Osnes the kindness "the world needs more of" to the extent that it warrants, even to a tiny degree, the wanton act of walking around in the world unvaccinated? I do thank you for giving me clarity about what it being proposed in this thread. I do hope we can move on to some more pleasant topics on this board but this is intolerable. |
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| re: Thank you!!! | |
| Posted by: jgerard 11:43 am EDT 08/18/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Thank you!!! - ryhog 01:27 am EDT 08/18/21 | |
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| Bravo. To the freedom-crying anti-vaxxers (like the guy in the subway shouting "1776! 1776!" at an elderly woman wearing a mask, as well as to the subject of these posts) I'd ask," So you're OK with speeding through a red light because it infringes on your freedom? What's the difference?" Freedom doesn't supersede the social contract without which we cannot survive. | |
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| re: Thank you!!! | |
| Posted by: ryhog 04:51 pm EDT 08/18/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Thank you!!! - jgerard 11:43 am EDT 08/18/21 | |
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| Earlier today I also read a forest fire related analogy that I thought was interesting. Not getting vaccinated is like leaving a burning ember. One might think that it won't be a big deal because the wind is blowing away from the forest. But the wind shifts and devastation we can't control follows. With Covid, that shifting wind is what brought Delta, and what will bring Lambda. Osnes and her band of Satans are fueling the fire and as we have sadly learned from the fires, we can't fool mother nature. To those who say let's move on and let this "kind" woman have her greed. We can't: this is existential; if she gets her way, we lose the theatre. |
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| Arnold Schwarzenegger actually had an excellent analogy | |
| Last Edit: PlayWiz 01:36 pm EDT 08/18/21 | |
| Posted by: PlayWiz 01:35 pm EDT 08/18/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Thank you!!! - jgerard 11:43 am EDT 08/18/21 | |
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| for anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers when they bring up the freedom argument: "You cannot just say, ‘I have the right to do x, y, and z,’ when you affect other people. That is when it gets serious. It’s like, no different than a traffic light. They put the traffic light in the intersection so someone doesn’t kill someone else by accident. You cannot say, ‘No one is going to tell me that I’m going to stop here, I’m going to go right through it.’ Yeah, then you kill someone else,” he said. “It is the same thing with the virus. You cannot go and not put the mask on because when you breathe you can infect someone else, and you can infect someone that then gets sick and may die.” |
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| A-MEN. | |
| Last Edit: ShowGoer 09:12 am EDT 08/18/21 | |
| Posted by: ShowGoer 09:07 am EDT 08/18/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Thank you!!! - ryhog 01:27 am EDT 08/18/21 | |
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| This isn’t a political debate – This isn’t like those people who saw Chad Kimball posting things in defense of Trump and vaguely posting about “civil liberties” with regard to not wanting to wear a mask to sing in church or whatever it was a year and a half ago, and then hoping or surmising (quite correctly, as it turned out) that he would not be welcomed back to “Come From Away”. This is about common sense, a major health crisis, and the very decency, morality, & values that Osnes as a proud Christian woman (and role model to many young fans) would probably claim she tries to embody and live by. So what is similarly not open to debate is that she simply WILL NOT work on Broadway again until she changes her mind and gets vaccinated… or unless enough time goes by that vaccines no longer matter. But the latter choice seems like it’s years away, and every day that goes by without her making the former, rational, & responsible choice makes it less likely that anyone will want to work with her regardless, now or later, and for even more serious and important reasons than what has apparently stalled Kimball’s career. These are all facts, plain and simple. And the observation that’s she made a young girl’s day 10 years ago (just as I’m sure she was nice to many others) doesn’t mitigate the anger concerning the issue at hand or the disappointment and frustration in her current position one bit, any more than those of us objectively pointing out the unmistakable truth that she is being (at best) dangerously irresponsible now means that we are filled with “hate” or “vitriol” or some amorphous lack of “kindness”. As a leading ingenue in her field, she undoubtedly has been a hero to many young women in the last decade. That’s what makes her insistence on “standing by [her] decision” to not get vaccinated in the face of rising case numbers and dwindling ICU beds seem so appallingly, unforgivably selfish, as it proves that whatever generosity of spirit she may have shown in the past, today she is simply not concerned at all with the common good. (I should add, if her version of events matched up with reality, that she didn’t mislead anyone about her vaccination status and that her withdrawal from the production was “drama-free”, some of her “Crazy for You” castmates and colleagues would assuredly be coming forward to back up that dubious claim.) And this position of hers, I can say with much more certainty than any conjecture about Chad Kimball a year ago, will haunt her forever, and has already severely damaged her career, very possibly beyond repair. |
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| re: Thank you!!! | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 12:13 am EDT 08/18/21 | |
| In reply to: Thank you!!! - MTPROF77 07:46 pm EDT 08/17/21 | |
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| And the easiest way to show kindness is to get vaccinated. | |
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