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| re: You know that is absolute baloney, right??? | |
| Posted by: Teacher64 01:24 am EDT 08/19/21 | |
| In reply to: re: You know that is absolute baloney, right??? - SQ 10:29 pm EDT 08/18/21 | |
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| So, if you get vaccinated but you can still get Covid then what's the point of getting vaccinated? | |
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| I truly hope that Teacher 64 does not actually, you know, teach anything to anyone | |
| Posted by: broadwaybacker 11:27 am EDT 08/19/21 | |
| In reply to: re: You know that is absolute baloney, right??? - Teacher64 01:24 am EDT 08/19/21 | |
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| As others have correctly noted, the profound ignorance of this poster is difficult to read. Not only is virtually everything they say wrong on its face, it's dangerous. The vaccines are approximately 95% effective against serious illness, and about 99% effective against death. These statistics are readily available. It's the unvaccinated who are filling up the ICU beds in hospitals across the country, mainly in the southeast. In addition, there is ZERO evidence that any of our anti-viral vaccines, including the COVID-19 vaccine, has ever had an impact on the ability to become pregnant. |
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| re: I truly hope that Teacher 64 does not actually, you know, teach anything to anyone | |
| Posted by: Teacher64 04:14 pm EDT 08/19/21 | |
| In reply to: I truly hope that Teacher 64 does not actually, you know, teach anything to anyone - broadwaybacker 11:27 am EDT 08/19/21 | |
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| "It's the unvaccinated who are filling up the ICU beds in hospitals across the country..." From The NY Times: "Breakthrough infections in vaccinated people accounted for at least one in five newly diagnosed cases in six of these states and higher percentages of total hospitalizations and deaths than had been previously observed in all of them, according to figures gathered by The New York Times." Hmmm, I wonder why we were not told about this a month ago? Maybe they did not know about this a month ago. And now they're saying we are going to need booster shots 8 months after our last vaccination. Why didn't they tell us this before? Maybe because they didn't know about this before. Fact is, there is a LOT of stuff about this vaccine that they really don't know. That's why they keep moving the finish line. Some people might feel comfortable getting an experimental vaccine for a virus with a higher than 98% survival rate, but some might not. I support the people who want to get vaccinated, and I support the people who do not want to get vaccinated. I would consider your vaccination status to be between you and your primary care physician. Your vaccination status is NONE OF MY BUSINESS and my vaccination status is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. And, if you're worried about children getting Covid I have great news! Children are the least likely to get the virus, they are the least likely to be hospitalized for the virus, and they are the least likely to die from it. |
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| re: I truly hope that Teacher 64 does not actually, you know, teach anything to anyone | |
| Posted by: Roman 11:52 pm EDT 08/19/21 | |
| In reply to: re: I truly hope that Teacher 64 does not actually, you know, teach anything to anyone - Teacher64 04:14 pm EDT 08/19/21 | |
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| How many bells are there? | |
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| re: I truly hope that Teacher 64 does not actually, you know, teach anything to anyone | |
| Posted by: whereismikeyfl 07:09 pm EDT 08/19/21 | |
| In reply to: re: I truly hope that Teacher 64 does not actually, you know, teach anything to anyone - Teacher64 04:14 pm EDT 08/19/21 | |
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| Again, bringing you up to speed on what you seem to have missed. We were told about the breakthrough infections a month ago. I am surprised that you missed it. The possible need for a booster has been discussed for months. I do not know how you could have missed that. But as the story says, it is mostly unvaccinated people who are filling the hospital beds and dying of the virus.. Vaccinated people get sick from breakout viruses but mostly ride it out at home and survive. You seem to think that vaccinated people are filling the ICU beds. That is not the case. I think most people know that children are the least likely to get the virus. But most people would like to minimize the chances as much as possible. Exposure is so widespread that while children are least likely to die from it, there are some dying from it. Knowing their children were unlikely to catch covid is not much comfort when they die from it. You are right your vaccination status is no one's business, as long as you do not increase anyone's risk. Osnes never had to take a job that would bring her into close contact with others, performing one of the highest risk activities there is. Had she exercised better judgement, no one would be concerned with her status. |
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| Here's real statistic from one hospital | |
| Posted by: Kaoru 05:00 pm EDT 08/19/21 | |
| In reply to: re: I truly hope that Teacher 64 does not actually, you know, teach anything to anyone - Teacher64 04:14 pm EDT 08/19/21 | |
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| Since you brought up children's case, here is the actual statistic and case: https://health.ucdavis.edu/media-resources/contenthub/health-news/2021/08/pdf/graph1.pdf In this chart you can see comparing to January 2021, August 2021 stat shows an increase in 0-19 yo patients (admitted to the hospital), 12% to 17%, and in August, the ratio of this age group and 60+ yo and up are the same (17%). "Some of the patients he is seeing are very young. “A woman came in with her toddler, who was ill. The mother had been vaccinated, but her boyfriend had not. Her toddler ended up getting COVID, which was very upsetting for her.” " You can read it in the link below. Are you saying it's okay for a young child to get COVID virus because "they are the least likely to die from it"?? Surely you are out of your mind if you actually believe it. One more infected child/adult is too many especially they may have long lasting effects in their health. Since the children under 12 yo cannot get a vaccine yet, we, adults, should get a vaccine to protect them. |
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| Link | Emergency Department sees highest number of COVID-19 cases so far in 2021 |
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| re: I truly hope that Teacher 64 does not actually, you know, teach anything to anyone | |
| Posted by: showtunetrivia 04:57 pm EDT 08/19/21 | |
| In reply to: re: I truly hope that Teacher 64 does not actually, you know, teach anything to anyone - Teacher64 04:14 pm EDT 08/19/21 | |
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| You are far from update on COVID research, Teacher64. It’s true children seemed to be not as vulnerable to the original strain of the virus. That’s not the case with the Delta variant. It’s more contagious to everyone, and the rates of children being infected, hospitalized, and dying are climbing. To say nothing of the serious post-COVID inflammatory issues that have afflicted many kids. What’s more, they have been discussing the likelihood of needing boosters for months. You’ve clearly had your head…elsewhere. It’s similar to the way you need a new flu shot each year, and they try to tailor the new shot to what they think the dominant flu virus will be. Because viruses change. They mutate. And science responds. Oh, and those “experimental” vaccines? They’re building on decades of research on coronaviruses. They had a vaccine for canine coronavirus in 1991. They developed a vaccine for the first SARS (human coronavirus) that hit in 2002, but the virus died out, making it impossible to get funding for clinical trials. Laura, who has immunocompromised family members literally in danger from the crap spewed by Teacher64 and others like him |
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| Are you certain you want those horrific last words in print? | |
| Posted by: wisebear 04:51 pm EDT 08/19/21 | |
| In reply to: re: I truly hope that Teacher 64 does not actually, you know, teach anything to anyone - Teacher64 04:14 pm EDT 08/19/21 | |
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| That last sentence shows you to be a monster. There’s a level of infecting children that you’re okay with. That’s disgusting to me. Of course you are again ignoring the science, which indicates long-term complications for children even if their case was initially mild. I’m sorry for you that you’ve been brainwashed by misinformation. But I cannot fathom being okay with spreading illness to children and the compromised. I believe you’re a very dangerous person. |
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| And the paragraph following the one you quoted | |
| Last Edit: Ann 04:29 pm EDT 08/19/21 | |
| Posted by: Ann 04:22 pm EDT 08/19/21 | |
| In reply to: re: I truly hope that Teacher 64 does not actually, you know, teach anything to anyone - Teacher64 04:14 pm EDT 08/19/21 | |
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| "The absolute numbers remain very low, however, and there is little doubt that the vaccines remain powerfully protective. This continues to be “a pandemic of the unvaccinated,” as federal health officials have often said." Yes, we now know there are breakthrough cases. I'm vaccinated (I'm fine with you knowing that) and I've gone back to wearing a mask in public places. Yes, children have a lower rate of getting COVID, but who knows with the next variant. And I wouldn't forgive myself if I was the cause of my grandson getting the virus. |
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| re: And the paragraph following the one you quoted | |
| Posted by: whereismikeyfl 07:24 pm EDT 08/19/21 | |
| In reply to: And the paragraph following the one you quoted - Ann 04:22 pm EDT 08/19/21 | |
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| I think Dr. Blythe Adamson on the last Variety Stagecraft podcast makes a strong point about changing precautions. She supervises the COVID safety measures for Pass Over. She points out that precautions will change as the numbers change, as rates of infection change. People seem to understand that viruses mutate, but are in shock that precautions change in response. If you want an unchanging precaution, then lockdown would be the way to go. But if we want to let people go out into the world, there will have to be changes over time as the circumstances change. |
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| re: I truly hope that Teacher 64 does not actually, you know, teach anything to anyone | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 02:35 pm EDT 08/19/21 | |
| In reply to: I truly hope that Teacher 64 does not actually, you know, teach anything to anyone - broadwaybacker 11:27 am EDT 08/19/21 | |
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| As others have correctly noted, the profound ignorance of this poster is difficult to read. I think he's still worried about shows touring in burning cities. He clearly has a lot on his mind. [insert eye roll emoji here] |
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| re: by your logic | |
| Posted by: SQ 09:20 am EDT 08/19/21 | |
| In reply to: re: You know that is absolute baloney, right??? - Teacher64 01:24 am EDT 08/19/21 | |
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| Why did Americans get vaccinated for polio, smallpox, tetanus, measles, tuberculosis, etc. etc ???? I much prefer not to be back in the Dark Ages and die once we are infected with a deadly disease. . |
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| re: by your logic | |
| Posted by: Teacher64 10:33 am EDT 08/19/21 | |
| In reply to: re: by your logic - SQ 09:20 am EDT 08/19/21 | |
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| All of those vaccines are approved by the FDA and are not considered "experimental". | |
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| I have no reason to think you will correctly process this information but... | |
| Posted by: ryhog 03:02 pm EDT 08/19/21 | |
| In reply to: re: by your logic - Teacher64 10:33 am EDT 08/19/21 | |
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| the covid vaccines are not considered experimental. There are no experiments underway (except as to the new uses such as kids under 12, booster shots, new variants, etc.) The meme of the QAnon crowd that you are pushing misapprehends the nature of the procedures that are required of federal agencies like the FDA before final approval. The purpose of these procedures is to provide everyone notice and an opportunity to be heard, not to provide time for additional experimentation. PS There is also not a computer chip in the vaccine. I'm surprised that you did not try to sell that BS as well. "Better be unborn than untaught, for ignorance is the root of misfortune." ---Plato |
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| Oh you go there, huh? | |
| Posted by: Kaoru 12:43 pm EDT 08/19/21 | |
| In reply to: re: by your logic - Teacher64 10:33 am EDT 08/19/21 | |
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| The monoclonal antibodies treatment that is administered to COVID patients in hospital now is also not FDA approved, it has "an emergency use authorization," just like Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna, and J&J. So with your logic, if you get COVID virus and sick to the point you are hospitalized, you won't ask for monoclonal antibodies treatment although it's proven that it works and you will live, correct? | |
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| re: by your logic | |
| Posted by: MockingbirdGirl 11:32 am EDT 08/19/21 | |
| In reply to: re: by your logic - Teacher64 10:33 am EDT 08/19/21 | |
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| Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna, and the Janssen (J&J) Covid-19 vaccines have all received emergency authorization from the FDA. "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt." |
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| re: by your logic | |
| Posted by: Teacher64 04:37 pm EDT 08/19/21 | |
| In reply to: re: by your logic - MockingbirdGirl 11:32 am EDT 08/19/21 | |
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| Emergency authorization and full authorization are not the same. One requires the recipients of the vaccine to be monitored for a longer period of time, as adverse impact might not be seen for months or even years. And some people are old enough to remember the rushed into production swine flue vaccine of the 1970s that resulted in hundreds of people developing the paralyzing Guillain-Barré syndrome. I forget whether it was 60 Minutes or 20/20 that interviewed that poor woman who was perfectly healthy upon taking the vaccine, and was in a wheelchair and barely able to speak by the time they interviewed her for the story. So, some people might prefer to wait for full authorization. |
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| re: by your logic | |
| Posted by: whereismikeyfl 07:37 pm EDT 08/19/21 | |
| In reply to: re: by your logic - Teacher64 04:37 pm EDT 08/19/21 | |
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| I do not get why you dismiss the risks to children from the COVID but seem to think that the small increase in GBS cases is worth noting. This kind of inconsistency says a lot. The differences in the two cases are strong. The COVID vaccine was developed over the decade and the targeting of this strain was done over a year by a number of different companies. The Swine flu vaccine was developed by one team and rushed out within months. So when the full authorization is granted in a few weeks, will you change your tune? |
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| re: by your logic | |
| Posted by: MockingbirdGirl 05:56 pm EDT 08/19/21 | |
| In reply to: re: by your logic - Teacher64 04:37 pm EDT 08/19/21 | |
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| Emergency authorization and full authorization are not the same. Yeah, no shit. But you know what else isn't the same? Emergency authorization and "experimental" treatments. If you want to be the accuracy police, start in the mirror. |
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| At least you're all in | |
| Posted by: Ann 11:03 am EDT 08/19/21 | |
| In reply to: re: by your logic - Teacher64 10:33 am EDT 08/19/21 | |
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| And when the vaccine is approved, the outcry will be "They approved it too fast!" | |
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| re: by your logic | |
| Last Edit: BroadwayTonyJ 10:59 am EDT 08/19/21 | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 10:58 am EDT 08/19/21 | |
| In reply to: re: by your logic - Teacher64 10:33 am EDT 08/19/21 | |
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| The one good thing that Trump did as president was to authorize by executive order the development of the vaccines at warp speed to begin saving lives. Today's vaccines are so far "experimental". Of course, he knew that at the get-go. Nevertheless, they have been deemed to be safe and they do work. Trump, his family, Giuliani, Chris Christie, and their cronies were among the first to be vaccinated -- along with Tucker Carlson, his wife and kids. They may all be jerks, but they're not fools. Generally, it can take months or even years for the FDA to approve a vaccine. However, when the country is hit with a plague and people are dying by the thousands, a safe "experimental" vaccine is still the best, really the only way to combat the virus. Every indication is that the FDA will be officially approving some, and eventually all, of the vaccines very, very soon. However, it is critically important that everyone get vaccinated right away to stop the spread. Delaying a decision only results in more loss of life. |
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| re: by your logic | |
| Posted by: showtunetrivia 12:01 pm EDT 08/19/21 | |
| In reply to: re: by your logic - BroadwayTonyJ 10:58 am EDT 08/19/21 | |
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| The other thing is, this vaccine didn’t appear overnight, even though it looks like Dr. McCoy mixed it in sick bay to save everyone in 50 minutes before the episode ended. We first encountered coronaviruses in 1930, when a strange respiratory infection wiped out poultry farms in the Midwest. We knew they were something animals could get; I had a cat die of it in a weird presentation that went to her brain. We actually had an early vaccine for canine coronavirus…in 1991. When the virus jumped from bats to humans in 2002 (SARS-1), there was serious potential that it could have gone the way COVID19 did. But because it wasn’t as infectious and with strict quarantine and isolation, it didn’t. The early canine vaccine did show some effect, and the researchers began working on one for SARS, using that and other work on animal coronaviruses. They actually came up with a vaccine that was effective against SARS-1, but lacked the funding for clinical trials, and as the virus had pretty much died out by then, there wasn’t much opportunity to continue. Big Pharma certainly wasn’t going to invest in a vaccine for a virus that wasn’t a threat. But all of that was there when COVID hit. The groundwork was there for the lightning fast creation of the vaccine. Laura |
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| re: You know that is absolute baloney, right??? | |
| Last Edit: Roman 09:01 am EDT 08/19/21 | |
| Posted by: Roman 08:56 am EDT 08/19/21 | |
| In reply to: re: You know that is absolute baloney, right??? - Teacher64 01:24 am EDT 08/19/21 | |
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| She’s the one who put up the stickers! She’s the one who put up the stickers! |
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| Seriously? | |
| Posted by: MockingbirdGirl 07:38 am EDT 08/19/21 | |
| In reply to: re: You know that is absolute baloney, right??? - Teacher64 01:24 am EDT 08/19/21 | |
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| What’s the point of birth control if there’s still a chance of getting pregnant? | |
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| re: You know that is absolute baloney, right??? | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 07:00 am EDT 08/19/21 | |
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| Your ignorance is astounding. The vaccination is the best defense we have right now against Covid. It is 99% effective against death and hospitalization. However, no vaccine is 100% effective against the virus, so masking and keeping social distance is necessary too especially for indoor events or even when in crowds outdoors. Covid takes no prisoners. If 90% of the populace were vaccinated, we would defeat the virus because it would not be able to spread. Other countries have done it. New Zealand is the best example. Because Trump has made it a political issue and because of attitudes like that of Osnes and frankly because of ignorance like yours, we may be years away from vanquishing this terrible disease which has already claimed the lives of over 615,000 souls in the U.S. Get your head out of your ass and become informed. |
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| Well said, Tony! | |
| Posted by: showtunetrivia 09:49 am EDT 08/19/21 | |
| In reply to: re: You know that is absolute baloney, right??? - BroadwayTonyJ 07:00 am EDT 08/19/21 | |
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| Teacher64 needs to learn this. Laura |
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| re: You know that is absolute baloney, right??? | |
| Posted by: Ann 06:50 am EDT 08/19/21 | |
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| To be in a better position to avoid the greater suffering of the disease when it is contracted. To help bring COVID to a place where it can really be treated like the flu. To help protect those who truly cannot get vaccinated. |
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