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| Posted by: Teacher64 10:33 am EDT 08/19/21 | |
| In reply to: re: by your logic - SQ 09:20 am EDT 08/19/21 | |
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| All of those vaccines are approved by the FDA and are not considered "experimental". | |
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| I have no reason to think you will correctly process this information but... | |
| Posted by: ryhog 03:02 pm EDT 08/19/21 | |
| In reply to: re: by your logic - Teacher64 10:33 am EDT 08/19/21 | |
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| the covid vaccines are not considered experimental. There are no experiments underway (except as to the new uses such as kids under 12, booster shots, new variants, etc.) The meme of the QAnon crowd that you are pushing misapprehends the nature of the procedures that are required of federal agencies like the FDA before final approval. The purpose of these procedures is to provide everyone notice and an opportunity to be heard, not to provide time for additional experimentation. PS There is also not a computer chip in the vaccine. I'm surprised that you did not try to sell that BS as well. "Better be unborn than untaught, for ignorance is the root of misfortune." ---Plato |
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| Oh you go there, huh? | |
| Posted by: Kaoru 12:43 pm EDT 08/19/21 | |
| In reply to: re: by your logic - Teacher64 10:33 am EDT 08/19/21 | |
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| The monoclonal antibodies treatment that is administered to COVID patients in hospital now is also not FDA approved, it has "an emergency use authorization," just like Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna, and J&J. So with your logic, if you get COVID virus and sick to the point you are hospitalized, you won't ask for monoclonal antibodies treatment although it's proven that it works and you will live, correct? | |
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| re: by your logic | |
| Posted by: MockingbirdGirl 11:32 am EDT 08/19/21 | |
| In reply to: re: by your logic - Teacher64 10:33 am EDT 08/19/21 | |
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| Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna, and the Janssen (J&J) Covid-19 vaccines have all received emergency authorization from the FDA. "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt." |
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| re: by your logic | |
| Posted by: Teacher64 04:37 pm EDT 08/19/21 | |
| In reply to: re: by your logic - MockingbirdGirl 11:32 am EDT 08/19/21 | |
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| Emergency authorization and full authorization are not the same. One requires the recipients of the vaccine to be monitored for a longer period of time, as adverse impact might not be seen for months or even years. And some people are old enough to remember the rushed into production swine flue vaccine of the 1970s that resulted in hundreds of people developing the paralyzing Guillain-Barré syndrome. I forget whether it was 60 Minutes or 20/20 that interviewed that poor woman who was perfectly healthy upon taking the vaccine, and was in a wheelchair and barely able to speak by the time they interviewed her for the story. So, some people might prefer to wait for full authorization. |
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| re: by your logic | |
| Posted by: whereismikeyfl 07:37 pm EDT 08/19/21 | |
| In reply to: re: by your logic - Teacher64 04:37 pm EDT 08/19/21 | |
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| I do not get why you dismiss the risks to children from the COVID but seem to think that the small increase in GBS cases is worth noting. This kind of inconsistency says a lot. The differences in the two cases are strong. The COVID vaccine was developed over the decade and the targeting of this strain was done over a year by a number of different companies. The Swine flu vaccine was developed by one team and rushed out within months. So when the full authorization is granted in a few weeks, will you change your tune? |
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| re: by your logic | |
| Posted by: MockingbirdGirl 05:56 pm EDT 08/19/21 | |
| In reply to: re: by your logic - Teacher64 04:37 pm EDT 08/19/21 | |
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| Emergency authorization and full authorization are not the same. Yeah, no shit. But you know what else isn't the same? Emergency authorization and "experimental" treatments. If you want to be the accuracy police, start in the mirror. |
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| Posted by: Ann 11:03 am EDT 08/19/21 | |
| In reply to: re: by your logic - Teacher64 10:33 am EDT 08/19/21 | |
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| And when the vaccine is approved, the outcry will be "They approved it too fast!" | |
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| re: by your logic | |
| Last Edit: BroadwayTonyJ 10:59 am EDT 08/19/21 | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 10:58 am EDT 08/19/21 | |
| In reply to: re: by your logic - Teacher64 10:33 am EDT 08/19/21 | |
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| The one good thing that Trump did as president was to authorize by executive order the development of the vaccines at warp speed to begin saving lives. Today's vaccines are so far "experimental". Of course, he knew that at the get-go. Nevertheless, they have been deemed to be safe and they do work. Trump, his family, Giuliani, Chris Christie, and their cronies were among the first to be vaccinated -- along with Tucker Carlson, his wife and kids. They may all be jerks, but they're not fools. Generally, it can take months or even years for the FDA to approve a vaccine. However, when the country is hit with a plague and people are dying by the thousands, a safe "experimental" vaccine is still the best, really the only way to combat the virus. Every indication is that the FDA will be officially approving some, and eventually all, of the vaccines very, very soon. However, it is critically important that everyone get vaccinated right away to stop the spread. Delaying a decision only results in more loss of life. |
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| re: by your logic | |
| Posted by: showtunetrivia 12:01 pm EDT 08/19/21 | |
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| The other thing is, this vaccine didn’t appear overnight, even though it looks like Dr. McCoy mixed it in sick bay to save everyone in 50 minutes before the episode ended. We first encountered coronaviruses in 1930, when a strange respiratory infection wiped out poultry farms in the Midwest. We knew they were something animals could get; I had a cat die of it in a weird presentation that went to her brain. We actually had an early vaccine for canine coronavirus…in 1991. When the virus jumped from bats to humans in 2002 (SARS-1), there was serious potential that it could have gone the way COVID19 did. But because it wasn’t as infectious and with strict quarantine and isolation, it didn’t. The early canine vaccine did show some effect, and the researchers began working on one for SARS, using that and other work on animal coronaviruses. They actually came up with a vaccine that was effective against SARS-1, but lacked the funding for clinical trials, and as the virus had pretty much died out by then, there wasn’t much opportunity to continue. Big Pharma certainly wasn’t going to invest in a vaccine for a virus that wasn’t a threat. But all of that was there when COVID hit. The groundwork was there for the lightning fast creation of the vaccine. Laura |
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