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| re: Why isn't Oliver! ever revived? | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 05:06 pm EDT 08/21/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Why isn't Oliver! ever revived? - seenenuf 03:40 pm EDT 08/21/21 | |
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| From the point of view of someone who's music directed the show a few times, I think it's a decent but flawed show. It strives to be a little too "happy music hall" when the story is really very bleak - though I've seen/done productions that have been able to balance the dark and the light in effective ways. Speaking as a musician, there may be nothing as boring as the original orchestrations (relying too heavily on repeated phrases instead of creating variety and build as any great orchestrator would/should), but the new orchestrations/arrangements for the Mackintosh version (now available from MTI) are quite wonderful and appreciably more dramatic. And the brand new incidental music is also miles better. And indeed, the thing is, that it really is much more of an adult show than a "family" show - but since it has kids in it, it automatically becomes the latter. And it seems to have become a "Christmas" show in a lot of respects, which I guess is due to the Dickensian connection. It's always fun trying to explain to the kid playing Dodger what the line "lovely ba----lmy wather we're having" means lol. :-) The indisputable fact, though, is, that it remains an incredibly popular title, and so no matter what anyone may think of the show, it will surely always be around. |
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| re: Why isn't Oliver! ever revived? | |
| Posted by: wisebear 02:45 pm EDT 08/22/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Why isn't Oliver! ever revived? - Chromolume 05:06 pm EDT 08/21/21 | |
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| I was in a production that interpolated ten minutes of Christmas carols into the thing. I thought the audiences would find it interminable (it’s already a long show) but they ate it up. | |
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| re: Why isn't Oliver! ever revived? | |
| Last Edit: Chromolume 04:45 pm EDT 08/22/21 | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 04:42 pm EDT 08/22/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Why isn't Oliver! ever revived? - wisebear 02:45 pm EDT 08/22/21 | |
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| I would also say that when I've done the show, I've insisted (always with agreement from the directors) that it end with Fagin. Then a traditional curtain call, and that's it. None of this stuff with the boys running back on singing "Food Glorious Food" and a full company "sing" as was originally written. So not necessary, and it totally negates the more dramatic and beautifully unresolved ending of Act II. | |
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| Chromolume, what does the line mean? Thank you. nm | |
| Posted by: thtrgoer 02:03 pm EDT 08/22/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Why isn't Oliver! ever revived? - Chromolume 05:06 pm EDT 08/21/21 | |
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| nm | |
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| re: Chromolume, what does the line mean? Thank you. | |
| Last Edit: Chromolume 02:30 pm EDT 08/22/21 | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 02:16 pm EDT 08/22/21 | |
| In reply to: Chromolume, what does the line mean? Thank you. nm - thtrgoer 02:03 pm EDT 08/22/21 | |
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| LOL. Oliver has just told Dodger he has no parents. Dodger's instinctive response is to say "lovely bastard" but then he catches himself halfway through the word and turns it into a remark about the weather. | |
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| re: Chromolume, what does the line mean? Thank you. | |
| Posted by: Teacher64 01:29 am EDT 08/26/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Chromolume, what does the line mean? Thank you. - Chromolume 02:16 pm EDT 08/22/21 | |
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| I think that might be your interpretation of the line but I don't think that is what Bart intended when he wrote it. As I recall, when Oliver tells Dodger that he has no mother or father. Dodger says "Lovely" because this is good news for him as he has just found a new pick pocket for Fagin. But, as soon as he says "Lovely" he realizes that would not sound right to Oliver and it might give up Dodger's real motivations which is to recruit Oliver for Fagin. Therefore, he says "Lovely", realizes what he is saying and quickly fixes his slip-up by changing the topic to the weather; "Lovely......balmy weather we're having today." "Lovely bastard" would not make sense as the a in "bastard" and the a in "balmy" do not make the same sound. | |
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| re: Chromolume, what does the line mean? Thank you. | |
| Last Edit: Chromolume 05:57 pm EDT 08/27/21 | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 05:52 pm EDT 08/27/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Chromolume, what does the line mean? Thank you. - Teacher64 01:29 am EDT 08/26/21 | |
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| I think that might be your interpretation of the line but I don't think that is what Bart intended when he wrote it. As I recall, when Oliver tells Dodger that he has no mother or father. Dodger says "Lovely" because this is good news for him as he has just found a new pick pocket for Fagin. But, as soon as he says "Lovely" he realizes that would not sound right to Oliver and it might give up Dodger's real motivations which is to recruit Oliver for Fagin. Therefore, he says "Lovely", realizes what he is saying and quickly fixes his slip-up by changing the topic to the weather; "Lovely......balmy weather we're having today." "Lovely bastard" would not make sense as the a in "bastard" and the a in "balmy" do not make the same sound. No. The line is actually written as "lovely bal...my weather," not "lovely....balmy weather." And the adjustment on the "a" is not all that much, but that's also part of Dodger changing his thought. The burning cities await you, "teacher." |
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