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Diana: The Musical review – a right royal debacle so bad you’ll hyperventilate
Posted by: young-walsingham 12:01 pm EDT 10/01/21

This filmed version of the Broadway show, with its accidental comedy and cringeworthy lines, is a guilty-pleasures singalong in waiting
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Could these reviews (and viewer comments) be so bad as to cause the show to not open?
Posted by: stevemr 04:37 pm EDT 10/02/21
In reply to: Diana: The Musical review – a right royal debacle so bad you’ll hyperventilate - young-walsingham 12:01 pm EDT 10/01/21

How much did Netflix pay for the rights? Any possibility the producers knew they had a royal turkey, and sought to offset losses by selling the show to Netflix pre-opening? And how much did they get in Federal COVID funds for Broadway shows? Combine the two and perhaps they can break even even on a fast flop.
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re: Could these reviews (and viewer comments) be so bad as to cause the show to not open?
Posted by: ryhog 09:51 pm EDT 10/02/21
In reply to: Could these reviews (and viewer comments) be so bad as to cause the show to not open? - stevemr 04:37 pm EDT 10/02/21

I don't know the numbers but I suspect it is more in the nature of roll the dice money than break even money.
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re: Could these reviews (and viewer comments) be so bad as to cause the show to not open?
Posted by: chrismpls 10:48 pm EDT 10/02/21
In reply to: re: Could these reviews (and viewer comments) be so bad as to cause the show to not open? - ryhog 09:51 pm EDT 10/02/21

That, and they have to know what they have. No one could ever have thought this dreck would get even mixed reviews.
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re: Could these reviews (and viewer comments) be so bad as to cause the show to not open?
Posted by: ryhog 11:28 pm EDT 10/02/21
In reply to: re: Could these reviews (and viewer comments) be so bad as to cause the show to not open? - chrismpls 10:48 pm EDT 10/02/21

well... in the theatre at least, it has always been a source of amazement to me that producers of really bad shows adore what they have inflicted on the public and go into opening night expected strong reviews. Admittedly, these reviews are SO bad that one has to wonder. Between this and DEH one also has to wonder if the candle is starting to flicker on the little filmed musical fad we have been watching. As I said, I don't think Netflix paid nearly as much as some around here think, but at the rate we are going, they are going to start charging money to add them to their website.
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re: Could these reviews (and viewer comments) be so bad as to cause the show to not open?
Last Edit: Delvino 09:08 am EDT 10/03/21
Posted by: Delvino 09:07 am EDT 10/03/21
In reply to: re: Could these reviews (and viewer comments) be so bad as to cause the show to not open? - ryhog 11:28 pm EDT 10/02/21

As I noted above under the box office thread: the failure(s) of Evan Hansen will be analyzed for years, as per Bonfire of the Vanities and other projects that arrived DOA. DEH seems the biggest *unexpected* failure in decades: its theatrical pedigree ensured some artistic success; its low production costs made payback reachable rather quickly; and it featured A-list celebs in supporting roles to give an eccentric property mainstream recognition and legs. All of those factors failed to push the film over. And as we've all discussed, the film has made many people re-think the original's storytelling integrity. Though many reviews bemoan the translation-to-screen errors, just as many scrutinize the story anew, finding it unsavory from its first plot point. A contrivance that blocks willingness to suspend disbelief, and carves a protagonist we can't root for. Whether we all agree, that's the film's calling card this fall. That is the biggest shock, but might've been mitigated by an audience turnout that doesn't care about reviews. It's hard to imagine the impact of DEH's crash landing. Maybe the inevitable backlash will offset the vitriol. It's a genuinely complex flop, not easily pigeonholed by nailing one mistake.
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re: Could these reviews (and viewer comments) be so bad as to cause the show to not open?
Posted by: Singapore/Fling 01:32 pm EDT 10/03/21
In reply to: re: Could these reviews (and viewer comments) be so bad as to cause the show to not open? - Delvino 09:07 am EDT 10/03/21

I wonder how much people are rethinking the story's integrity, versus the balance of those who applaud the story versus those who find it grotesque has shifted. I'm not seeing anything new being said about DEH's basic storyline, and even some friends who were fans of the original Broadway production also acknowledged these issues.

Maybe our culture has shifted in the past 3 years, maybe the casting of Platt is too uncanny valley for folks to process, and/or maybe this is just what happens when musicals are produced as full social realism (look at "In the Heights" and "Everybody's Talking About Jamie" for successful film musicals that have at least one foot in fantasy, frolic, magical realism, and queerness) and then assessed by film critics.
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But there are also good examples, see 'Come from Away"
Last Edit: Singapore/Fling 02:10 am EDT 10/03/21
Posted by: Singapore/Fling 02:10 am EDT 10/03/21
In reply to: re: Could these reviews (and viewer comments) be so bad as to cause the show to not open? - ryhog 11:28 pm EDT 10/02/21

Unfortunately, it's the high-profile failures that grab attention (and sadly in the case of "Diana", since I think it's one of the best filmed stage captures I've seen). Folks aren't talking about "Come from Away", which from what I've seen is a really excellent capture of a musical that works quite well (and is another show I've not been willing to spend money on). Hopefully, we'll see a similar response to "Waitress" (one I did pay for and wouldn't see live again, but would likely watch at least some portions of the filmed version). I also like that these films are being put on streaming services rather than the big screen releases, because it makes them much more approachable, I hope that trend continues.
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re: But there are also good examples, see 'Come from Away"
Posted by: ryhog 09:49 am EDT 10/03/21
In reply to: But there are also good examples, see 'Come from Away" - Singapore/Fling 02:10 am EDT 10/03/21

yes there are and as Delvino says in the other post responding to me, the analysis is generally more complex than a single factor (with Diana perhaps requiring far less digging). I assume you are reacting to the "flicker" point. I think what we have been seeing in the last 18 months or so is an uncritical grab-and-go by streamers (especially but also studios) hungry for prefabricated content. It's also worth noting regarding DEH, of course, that it is somewhat different both in form and also in financing as a film. The flicker I see is that I do not expect the uncritical deal-making to continue. I don't know of course, and I have never been shy about expressing my negative feelings about filmed theatre. To me, having read his interview, I think Marshall is an enemy of the (theatre) people.
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I am more interested ...
Posted by: jdm 03:59 pm EDT 10/02/21
In reply to: Diana: The Musical review – a right royal debacle so bad you’ll hyperventilate - young-walsingham 12:01 pm EDT 10/01/21

in seeing the movie Spencer with a possible Best Actress front-runner Kristen Stewart.

Jim
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Too kind.
Posted by: sf 02:57 pm EDT 10/02/21
In reply to: Diana: The Musical review – a right royal debacle so bad you’ll hyperventilate - young-walsingham 12:01 pm EDT 10/01/21

It's laughably dreadful, and the performances are (even) worse than the writing and direction - which is remarkable, given the atrocious Act Two songs for James Hewitt and Paul Burrell. Some of it is unintentionally very funny, but most of it is just plain bad.

And I don't think I've ever seen worse performances as Prince Charles and the Queen than Roe Hartrampf and Judy Kaye give here. She for some reason chooses to play the Queen as a bad actress playing Imelda Staunton playing the Queen in a terrible Hallmark movie, and he has obviously never seen or heard any footage of Prince Charles and is playing a walking hatstand with a bad public-school English accent.

Jeanna de Waal doesn't look like Diana (the awful wigs don't help), doesn't sound like Diana, doesn't capture Diana in any way, but gets full mileage out of both her facial expressions. The only actor to come out of it with her dignity intact is Erin Davie as Camilla Park and Ride.

I suppose the producers thought Diana's name would bring an audience through the door, and that therefore nobody needed to put in any effort. Maybe it will, but the show doesn't deserve it. This isn't Carrie - a misguided catastrophe with a few good things in it. This is a shoddy, inept, cynical, laughably crass waste of time, money, and electricity that demeans every single real-life person it portrays.

(And no, by the way, I am most definitely not a royalist).
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re: Too kind.
Posted by: PlazaBoy 05:46 pm EDT 10/02/21
In reply to: Too kind. - sf 02:57 pm EDT 10/02/21

If the Carrie reference is in regard to my post, I'll clarify. I was using Not Since Carrie to refer to the entire Mandelbaum book of flops. I wasn't making a specific comparison between Diana and Carrie, other than Diana deserves a place in the next volume of that book.
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re: Too kind.
Posted by: sf 05:47 pm EDT 10/02/21
In reply to: re: Too kind. - PlazaBoy 05:46 pm EDT 10/02/21

It wasn't - it's just a common-enough yardstick when talking about flop musicals.

(Also, I saw Carrie at Stratford.)
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re: Too kind.
Posted by: PlazaBoy 08:15 pm EDT 10/02/21
In reply to: re: Too kind. - sf 05:47 pm EDT 10/02/21

That's a fun bit of theater history you were able to witness!

I consider the flops collectors items. Glad to have seen them all, except Dream (1997) which really was a waste of time.
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re: Diana: The Musical review – The best quick-change costumes since Cinderella!
Last Edit: PlazaBoy 01:26 pm EDT 10/02/21
Posted by: PlazaBoy 01:25 pm EDT 10/02/21
In reply to: Diana: The Musical review – a right royal debacle so bad you’ll hyperventilate - young-walsingham 12:01 pm EDT 10/01/21

I do enjoy a quick change and there are a couple in Diana that must be dazzling on stage.

What an odd show. For me it goes in the "Not Since Carrie" category.

The performers are excellent so it is compelling to watch, but it really is bad. I found the lyrics laugh out loud terrible and the music unremarkable.

So much has already been said, so I'll just add that I found the excessive use of neon in the set design peculiar. It seemed weirdly slick for many of the locations being depicted. The tone felt off. The entire show felt that way to me.
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Reminds me of 90% of the shows in the NYMF
Posted by: writerkev 07:50 am EDT 10/02/21
In reply to: Diana: The Musical review – a right royal debacle so bad you’ll hyperventilate - young-walsingham 12:01 pm EDT 10/01/21

I haven’t watched the whole thing, but from what I’ve seen it sounds exactly like a typical NYMF show—an earnest, tuneless show with on-the-nose lyrics. It doesn’t tell a story, just depicts a general situation. People stand center stage and intone about the way things are. No surprise, nothing happening in the moment. Just a generic scenario set to uninteresting underscoring.
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The worst lyrics ever written for a Broadway musical. Ever. (NM)
Posted by: toros 08:16 pm EDT 10/01/21
In reply to: Diana: The Musical review – a right royal debacle so bad you’ll hyperventilate - young-walsingham 12:01 pm EDT 10/01/21

NM
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re: Diana: The Musical review – a right royal debacle so bad you’ll hyperventilate
Posted by: Hair 12:46 pm EDT 10/01/21
In reply to: Diana: The Musical review – a right royal debacle so bad you’ll hyperventilate - young-walsingham 12:01 pm EDT 10/01/21

I remember a PREVIOUS Princess Diana musical that was so DELICIOUSLY awful we would play the CD at parties and just cry from laughter at the inept lyrics and bizarre choices and performances.

Then we lucked into a video of a performance of the show and were even more entertained. There was one song where the Queen Mother seduces Prince Philip
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re: Diana: The Musical review – a right royal debacle so bad you’ll hyperventilate
Posted by: sf 02:44 pm EDT 10/01/21
In reply to: re: Diana: The Musical review – a right royal debacle so bad you’ll hyperventilate - Hair 12:46 pm EDT 10/01/21

There's one that played somewhere in the midwest - I think in Omaha - and put out a cast recording; it includes a song in which Diana wonders "should I throw up now or later?"
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It’s good writing to have characters relatable to audience
Posted by: dramedy 02:49 pm EDT 10/01/21
In reply to: re: Diana: The Musical review – a right royal debacle so bad you’ll hyperventilate - sf 02:44 pm EDT 10/01/21

Who were also wondering if they should throw up now or wait until intermission.
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re: It’s good writing to have characters relatable to audience
Last Edit: Delvino 11:44 pm EDT 10/01/21
Posted by: Delvino 11:41 pm EDT 10/01/21
In reply to: It’s good writing to have characters relatable to audience - dramedy 02:49 pm EDT 10/01/21

I made it through act one tonight. I can’t believe some of the comments below. Kaye and Erin Davie are doing some heavy lifting here. It’s just relentless in its desire to join the sung-through catalogue, the pervasive mostly tuneless recitative banal and literal. I can’t imagine a workshop inspiring this investment.
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In further praise of Erin Davie
Last Edit: Delvino 07:46 am EDT 10/02/21
Posted by: Delvino 07:42 am EDT 10/02/21
In reply to: re: It’s good writing to have characters relatable to audience - Delvino 11:41 pm EDT 10/01/21

Davie was wonderful in Grey Gardens, and a vulnerable, heartbreaking Violet in the Side Show revisal. With Diana, it's clear she's one of Broadway's most valuable players. Watch how she miraculously makes Parker-Bowles a dimensional human being, every moment of stage time filled, creating a layered woman with ambiguous feelings about her role in this doomed marriage -- that foregone conclusion leeching the drama out of attempts at emotional suspense; yet Davie offers a point of view that raises new questions. About 2/3 through act one, she seemed capable of turning the show into a musical called Camilla, a la Wicked refocusing on others in Oz. That's not glib; Davie damn near commandeers the narrative. I'll be curious to see what she does with the second act, which many claim is far better. It's a terrific opportunity to focus on this gifted singing actor. I hope this performance leads to another project. I can see Davie as a Fosca someday, to think of but one role.
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re: Diana: The Musical review – a right royal debacle so bad you’ll hyperventilate
Last Edit: Delvino 12:14 pm EDT 10/01/21
Posted by: Delvino 12:12 pm EDT 10/01/21
In reply to: Diana: The Musical review – a right royal debacle so bad you’ll hyperventilate - young-walsingham 12:01 pm EDT 10/01/21

“Darling, I’m holding our son / So let me say jolly well done!”

vs

“Nights like this, I envy the poor / Their parties can’t possibly be such a bore.”
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We can all stream it today on Netflix; is the production's return wise?
Posted by: Delvino 01:47 pm EDT 10/01/21
In reply to: re: Diana: The Musical review – a right royal debacle so bad you’ll hyperventilate - Delvino 12:12 pm EDT 10/01/21

It seems odd to bring it back with the streamed version launching on the biggest, best-known platform. This isn't a proven hit returning; it's just past the point of gestation, the stall pandemic specific. It's probably some kind of test case for futures, but a peculiar vehicle on which to test anything. Fans of The Crown are everywhere, but then The Crown is also available on Netflix.
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I just don’t think online effects live show much
Last Edit: dramedy 02:47 pm EDT 10/01/21
Posted by: dramedy 02:46 pm EDT 10/01/21
In reply to: We can all stream it today on Netflix; is the production's return wise? - Delvino 01:47 pm EDT 10/01/21

Why see Bruce and Utopia live when both were on HBO and Hamilton on Disney? A lot of people do. Granted those are good shows and Diana is not. I watched the prom last week again on Netflix, I think it’s a pretty good adaptation. But the national tour is happening.

Diana would struggle to make it to the tonys with or without Netflix. But I’m sure Netflix paid some nice money to the creators, actors and show itself to make it worthwhile.
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affects nm
Posted by: KingSpeed 02:27 am EDT 10/02/21
In reply to: I just don’t think online effects live show much - dramedy 02:46 pm EDT 10/01/21

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re: I just don’t think online effects live show much
Posted by: ryhog 03:45 pm EDT 10/01/21
In reply to: I just don’t think online effects live show much - dramedy 02:46 pm EDT 10/01/21

I think the key is that good shows on screen may make people want to see the live show but I think bad shows (and although I have not watched this one, that seems to be the general consensus) have the opposite effect. I don't think Netflix paid anywhere near nice enough to salvage this. And I do agree it will struggle to make it to the Tonys regardless.
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re: We can all stream it today on Netflix; is the production's return wise?
Posted by: chrismpls 01:50 pm EDT 10/01/21
In reply to: We can all stream it today on Netflix; is the production's return wise? - Delvino 01:47 pm EDT 10/01/21

Having seen it (and thought it dreadful), I wonder who'll go other than people who have some perverse interest in seeing the madness in person.
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re: We can all stream it today on Netflix; is the production's return wise?
Posted by: Chromolume 08:52 pm EDT 10/01/21
In reply to: re: We can all stream it today on Netflix; is the production's return wise? - chrismpls 01:50 pm EDT 10/01/21

That has the makings of a great tagline - "Diana - see the madness, in person!"
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re: We can all stream it today on Netflix; is the production's return wise?
Posted by: showtunetrivia 04:29 pm EDT 10/01/21
In reply to: re: We can all stream it today on Netflix; is the production's return wise? - chrismpls 01:50 pm EDT 10/01/21

I was going to pass on this one, as I don’t care a jot for Princess Di or the royals, but flop musicals fascinate me. And that is one of the most hilarious reviews I’ve seen in ages. Thanks for the belly laughs.

Laura
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It's actually not terrible
Last Edit: Singapore/Fling 09:22 pm EDT 10/01/21
Posted by: Singapore/Fling 09:16 pm EDT 10/01/21
In reply to: re: We can all stream it today on Netflix; is the production's return wise? - showtunetrivia 04:29 pm EDT 10/01/21

I've made it to the wedding scene, and I can say that, like, it's not awful. It's very much an aggressively American musical, in that it is bombastic, blunt, and ruthlessly efficient in telling its story (and it expects you to come in knowing the story in order to make sense of it), but some groaners of lyrics aside... it's kind of entertaining in its way. The tunes are mostly pleasant and Christopher Ashley knows how to keep it all moving quickly. I don't think I'd like it if I had paid money, but as a Netflix movie, it's fine to have playing while I work on other stuff. I can see a British person being horrified by this "Evita" manqué and its incredible un-British take on a very British story... but it's a far cry from the "Cats" movie.

At the least, I do hope Erin Davie gets a Tony nomination. She helps to elevate the material, and maybe gets the closest to actual British gravitas.
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re: It's actually not terrible
Posted by: mgm79 06:21 am EDT 10/02/21
In reply to: It's actually not terrible - Singapore/Fling 09:16 pm EDT 10/01/21

"... its terrible, with raisins" - D. Parker
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re: It's actually not terrible
Posted by: Singapore/Fling 01:45 pm EDT 10/02/21
In reply to: re: It's actually not terrible - mgm79 06:21 am EDT 10/02/21

Liaisons
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re: It's actually not terrible
Posted by: Chromolume 09:51 pm EDT 10/01/21
In reply to: It's actually not terrible - Singapore/Fling 09:16 pm EDT 10/01/21

I don't think I'd like it if I had paid money, but as a Netflix movie, it's fine to have playing while I work on other stuff.

Well, that about says it all. It's fine, if it's in the background. Not a musical one has to pay any attention to. Wow. ;-)
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re: It's actually not terrible
Posted by: Singapore/Fling 10:01 pm EDT 10/01/21
In reply to: re: It's actually not terrible - Chromolume 09:51 pm EDT 10/01/21

But that's how I feel about most theater I see. And the question for us isn't whether the show is good, it's whether it's so-bad-it's-good, and I don't think it's nearly as bad as this review would suggest. And actually, I'm still watching it, which is more than I can say for a lot of things I start on Netflix (or in the theater... I'll walk out of pretty much anything if given the chance).

The Act 1 dress moment is actually pretty spectacular. And the James Hewitt Act 2 opener... I mean, it's a bit cringe, but it's also self-aware that it's cringe, so I guess it kind of works? And Judy Kaye, honestly, is delicious as the grandmother.
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re: It's actually not terrible
Posted by: ryhog 10:56 pm EDT 10/01/21
In reply to: re: It's actually not terrible - Singapore/Fling 10:01 pm EDT 10/01/21

This brings us back to the question at hand (or maybe I should say MY question at hand) which is what effect will this presentation have on the impending Broadway effort. Will it sell tickets? Or will it persuade people they don't need to spend money to see this live? This was always going to be a show that depended heavily on tourists. We know that's going to make for a rough ride this season. The question is, did the experiment do anything to enhance the chances? My gut says no but I don't know. Your subject line does not make a very good pull quote, BTW. :-)
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re: The pandemic hiatus was the best thing that could have happened
Posted by: Joe90 11:27 am EDT 10/02/21
In reply to: re: It's actually not terrible - ryhog 10:56 pm EDT 10/01/21

It's a dreadful, dreadful musical, as if it had been written by people who'd never heard of dramatic structure or of the need to vary the meter and rhyming scheme of a lyric. It's offensively stupid; one of those shows where when seeing the final product, knowing that so many skilled and professional people have played a part in the production process, I can't feel nothing but amazement that they ever let it get this far. All that money and time and talent, and it's still unsalvageable insipid trash. It's not even fun.

And had the show started previews a few weeks earlier than it did, it would have opened to the critics before the pandemic, would have been deservedly eviscerated and closed soon after at a total loss. Netflix would never have been interested, and Diana the Musical would have become nothing more than a historical curiosity and a poster on the wall of Joe Allen's.

However, due the pandemic they had a full production ready to go without word yet having got out in the press that it was abysmal. As such, it seemed like a logical The Crown brand extension for Netflix, and it'll be there for the producers of the musical to generate a small but consistent income in perpetuity. It's a savvy business move on their part, if nothing else as the stage version will never recover from the double whammy of scathing reviews film critics now and the inevitable similarly dismissive ones from theatre critics in a few weeks. It'll be closed by Christmas, but on Netflix forever.

Joe.
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re: It's actually pretty good (for what it is)
Last Edit: Singapore/Fling 11:06 pm EDT 10/01/21
Posted by: Singapore/Fling 11:05 pm EDT 10/01/21
In reply to: re: It's actually not terrible - ryhog 10:56 pm EDT 10/01/21

It's a tricky question, because I never would have spent money on the show. So in my case, they gained a streaming viewer who enjoyed it more than they thought they would, rather than losing or transferring a paying customer for the live show. I suppose if I liked it more, I would be willing to at least buy a TDF ticket, and I certainly would take a comp if someone offered.

And now that I've seen the whole thing, I could give them a better pull quote, along the lines of, "Hey, it's actually pretty good (for what it is)". I know that's not ip there with best live show ever, but... :-)
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re: It's actually pretty good (for what it is)
Posted by: ryhog 11:46 pm EDT 10/01/21
In reply to: re: It's actually pretty good (for what it is) - Singapore/Fling 11:05 pm EDT 10/01/21

I still think that falls in the category of what my mother used to call damning with faint praise :-)
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re: It's actually pretty good (for what it is)
Posted by: KingSpeed 02:32 am EDT 10/02/21
In reply to: re: It's actually pretty good (for what it is) - ryhog 11:46 pm EDT 10/01/21

You know your mother didn't come up with that, right?
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re: It's actually pretty good (for what it is)
Posted by: ryhog 10:52 am EDT 10/02/21
In reply to: re: It's actually pretty good (for what it is) - KingSpeed 02:32 am EDT 10/02/21

now I do. At the time I thought she was the font of all wisdom :-)
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snarky nm
Posted by: Singapore/Fling 03:35 am EDT 10/02/21
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The La Jolla “Diana” is actually my favorite TB Regional pan
Posted by: BillEadie 12:56 am EDT 10/02/21
In reply to: re: It's actually pretty good (for what it is) - ryhog 11:46 pm EDT 10/01/21

I had heard that the creatives did a lot of work on “Diana” after its run at La Jolla Playhouse. I hoped that it would improve. Apparently not. My review of the local production is linked below.

Bill, in San Diego
Link “Diana” at La Jolla Playhouse
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