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| re: Diana: The Musical review – a right royal debacle so bad you’ll hyperventilate | |
| Last Edit: Delvino 12:14 pm EDT 10/01/21 | |
| Posted by: Delvino 12:12 pm EDT 10/01/21 | |
| In reply to: Diana: The Musical review – a right royal debacle so bad you’ll hyperventilate - young-walsingham 12:01 pm EDT 10/01/21 | |
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| “Darling, I’m holding our son / So let me say jolly well done!” vs “Nights like this, I envy the poor / Their parties can’t possibly be such a bore.” |
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| We can all stream it today on Netflix; is the production's return wise? | |
| Posted by: Delvino 01:47 pm EDT 10/01/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Diana: The Musical review – a right royal debacle so bad you’ll hyperventilate - Delvino 12:12 pm EDT 10/01/21 | |
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| It seems odd to bring it back with the streamed version launching on the biggest, best-known platform. This isn't a proven hit returning; it's just past the point of gestation, the stall pandemic specific. It's probably some kind of test case for futures, but a peculiar vehicle on which to test anything. Fans of The Crown are everywhere, but then The Crown is also available on Netflix. | |
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| I just don’t think online effects live show much | |
| Last Edit: dramedy 02:47 pm EDT 10/01/21 | |
| Posted by: dramedy 02:46 pm EDT 10/01/21 | |
| In reply to: We can all stream it today on Netflix; is the production's return wise? - Delvino 01:47 pm EDT 10/01/21 | |
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| Why see Bruce and Utopia live when both were on HBO and Hamilton on Disney? A lot of people do. Granted those are good shows and Diana is not. I watched the prom last week again on Netflix, I think it’s a pretty good adaptation. But the national tour is happening. Diana would struggle to make it to the tonys with or without Netflix. But I’m sure Netflix paid some nice money to the creators, actors and show itself to make it worthwhile. |
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| Posted by: KingSpeed 02:27 am EDT 10/02/21 | |
| In reply to: I just don’t think online effects live show much - dramedy 02:46 pm EDT 10/01/21 | |
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| re: I just don’t think online effects live show much | |
| Posted by: ryhog 03:45 pm EDT 10/01/21 | |
| In reply to: I just don’t think online effects live show much - dramedy 02:46 pm EDT 10/01/21 | |
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| I think the key is that good shows on screen may make people want to see the live show but I think bad shows (and although I have not watched this one, that seems to be the general consensus) have the opposite effect. I don't think Netflix paid anywhere near nice enough to salvage this. And I do agree it will struggle to make it to the Tonys regardless. | |
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| re: We can all stream it today on Netflix; is the production's return wise? | |
| Posted by: chrismpls 01:50 pm EDT 10/01/21 | |
| In reply to: We can all stream it today on Netflix; is the production's return wise? - Delvino 01:47 pm EDT 10/01/21 | |
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| Having seen it (and thought it dreadful), I wonder who'll go other than people who have some perverse interest in seeing the madness in person. | |
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| re: We can all stream it today on Netflix; is the production's return wise? | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 08:52 pm EDT 10/01/21 | |
| In reply to: re: We can all stream it today on Netflix; is the production's return wise? - chrismpls 01:50 pm EDT 10/01/21 | |
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| That has the makings of a great tagline - "Diana - see the madness, in person!" | |
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| re: We can all stream it today on Netflix; is the production's return wise? | |
| Posted by: showtunetrivia 04:29 pm EDT 10/01/21 | |
| In reply to: re: We can all stream it today on Netflix; is the production's return wise? - chrismpls 01:50 pm EDT 10/01/21 | |
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| I was going to pass on this one, as I don’t care a jot for Princess Di or the royals, but flop musicals fascinate me. And that is one of the most hilarious reviews I’ve seen in ages. Thanks for the belly laughs. Laura |
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| It's actually not terrible | |
| Last Edit: Singapore/Fling 09:22 pm EDT 10/01/21 | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 09:16 pm EDT 10/01/21 | |
| In reply to: re: We can all stream it today on Netflix; is the production's return wise? - showtunetrivia 04:29 pm EDT 10/01/21 | |
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| I've made it to the wedding scene, and I can say that, like, it's not awful. It's very much an aggressively American musical, in that it is bombastic, blunt, and ruthlessly efficient in telling its story (and it expects you to come in knowing the story in order to make sense of it), but some groaners of lyrics aside... it's kind of entertaining in its way. The tunes are mostly pleasant and Christopher Ashley knows how to keep it all moving quickly. I don't think I'd like it if I had paid money, but as a Netflix movie, it's fine to have playing while I work on other stuff. I can see a British person being horrified by this "Evita" manqué and its incredible un-British take on a very British story... but it's a far cry from the "Cats" movie. At the least, I do hope Erin Davie gets a Tony nomination. She helps to elevate the material, and maybe gets the closest to actual British gravitas. |
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| re: It's actually not terrible | |
| Posted by: mgm79 06:21 am EDT 10/02/21 | |
| In reply to: It's actually not terrible - Singapore/Fling 09:16 pm EDT 10/01/21 | |
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| "... its terrible, with raisins" - D. Parker | |
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| re: It's actually not terrible | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 01:45 pm EDT 10/02/21 | |
| In reply to: re: It's actually not terrible - mgm79 06:21 am EDT 10/02/21 | |
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| re: It's actually not terrible | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 09:51 pm EDT 10/01/21 | |
| In reply to: It's actually not terrible - Singapore/Fling 09:16 pm EDT 10/01/21 | |
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| I don't think I'd like it if I had paid money, but as a Netflix movie, it's fine to have playing while I work on other stuff. Well, that about says it all. It's fine, if it's in the background. Not a musical one has to pay any attention to. Wow. ;-) |
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| re: It's actually not terrible | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 10:01 pm EDT 10/01/21 | |
| In reply to: re: It's actually not terrible - Chromolume 09:51 pm EDT 10/01/21 | |
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| But that's how I feel about most theater I see. And the question for us isn't whether the show is good, it's whether it's so-bad-it's-good, and I don't think it's nearly as bad as this review would suggest. And actually, I'm still watching it, which is more than I can say for a lot of things I start on Netflix (or in the theater... I'll walk out of pretty much anything if given the chance). The Act 1 dress moment is actually pretty spectacular. And the James Hewitt Act 2 opener... I mean, it's a bit cringe, but it's also self-aware that it's cringe, so I guess it kind of works? And Judy Kaye, honestly, is delicious as the grandmother. |
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| re: It's actually not terrible | |
| Posted by: ryhog 10:56 pm EDT 10/01/21 | |
| In reply to: re: It's actually not terrible - Singapore/Fling 10:01 pm EDT 10/01/21 | |
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| This brings us back to the question at hand (or maybe I should say MY question at hand) which is what effect will this presentation have on the impending Broadway effort. Will it sell tickets? Or will it persuade people they don't need to spend money to see this live? This was always going to be a show that depended heavily on tourists. We know that's going to make for a rough ride this season. The question is, did the experiment do anything to enhance the chances? My gut says no but I don't know. Your subject line does not make a very good pull quote, BTW. :-) | |
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| re: The pandemic hiatus was the best thing that could have happened | |
| Posted by: Joe90 11:27 am EDT 10/02/21 | |
| In reply to: re: It's actually not terrible - ryhog 10:56 pm EDT 10/01/21 | |
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| It's a dreadful, dreadful musical, as if it had been written by people who'd never heard of dramatic structure or of the need to vary the meter and rhyming scheme of a lyric. It's offensively stupid; one of those shows where when seeing the final product, knowing that so many skilled and professional people have played a part in the production process, I can't feel nothing but amazement that they ever let it get this far. All that money and time and talent, and it's still unsalvageable insipid trash. It's not even fun. And had the show started previews a few weeks earlier than it did, it would have opened to the critics before the pandemic, would have been deservedly eviscerated and closed soon after at a total loss. Netflix would never have been interested, and Diana the Musical would have become nothing more than a historical curiosity and a poster on the wall of Joe Allen's. However, due the pandemic they had a full production ready to go without word yet having got out in the press that it was abysmal. As such, it seemed like a logical The Crown brand extension for Netflix, and it'll be there for the producers of the musical to generate a small but consistent income in perpetuity. It's a savvy business move on their part, if nothing else as the stage version will never recover from the double whammy of scathing reviews film critics now and the inevitable similarly dismissive ones from theatre critics in a few weeks. It'll be closed by Christmas, but on Netflix forever. Joe. |
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| re: It's actually pretty good (for what it is) | |
| Last Edit: Singapore/Fling 11:06 pm EDT 10/01/21 | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 11:05 pm EDT 10/01/21 | |
| In reply to: re: It's actually not terrible - ryhog 10:56 pm EDT 10/01/21 | |
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| It's a tricky question, because I never would have spent money on the show. So in my case, they gained a streaming viewer who enjoyed it more than they thought they would, rather than losing or transferring a paying customer for the live show. I suppose if I liked it more, I would be willing to at least buy a TDF ticket, and I certainly would take a comp if someone offered. And now that I've seen the whole thing, I could give them a better pull quote, along the lines of, "Hey, it's actually pretty good (for what it is)". I know that's not ip there with best live show ever, but... :-) |
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| re: It's actually pretty good (for what it is) | |
| Posted by: ryhog 11:46 pm EDT 10/01/21 | |
| In reply to: re: It's actually pretty good (for what it is) - Singapore/Fling 11:05 pm EDT 10/01/21 | |
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| I still think that falls in the category of what my mother used to call damning with faint praise :-) | |
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| re: It's actually pretty good (for what it is) | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 02:32 am EDT 10/02/21 | |
| In reply to: re: It's actually pretty good (for what it is) - ryhog 11:46 pm EDT 10/01/21 | |
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| You know your mother didn't come up with that, right? | |
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| re: It's actually pretty good (for what it is) | |
| Posted by: ryhog 10:52 am EDT 10/02/21 | |
| In reply to: re: It's actually pretty good (for what it is) - KingSpeed 02:32 am EDT 10/02/21 | |
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| now I do. At the time I thought she was the font of all wisdom :-) | |
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| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 03:35 am EDT 10/02/21 | |
| In reply to: re: It's actually pretty good (for what it is) - KingSpeed 02:32 am EDT 10/02/21 | |
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| The La Jolla “Diana” is actually my favorite TB Regional pan | |
| Posted by: BillEadie 12:56 am EDT 10/02/21 | |
| In reply to: re: It's actually pretty good (for what it is) - ryhog 11:46 pm EDT 10/01/21 | |
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| I had heard that the creatives did a lot of work on “Diana” after its run at La Jolla Playhouse. I hoped that it would improve. Apparently not. My review of the local production is linked below. Bill, in San Diego |
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