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| re: Isn't he withdrawing women actors (and men and POC and non-POC actors) work weeks by doing this action? | |
| Last Edit: PlayWiz 10:20 pm EDT 10/05/21 | |
| Posted by: PlayWiz 10:13 pm EDT 10/05/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Isn't he withdrawing women actors (and men and POC and non-POC actors) work weeks by doing this action? - Singapore/Fling 09:23 pm EDT 10/05/21 | |
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| The actors most likely have contracts to appear in this play, as does the theater to present it. Those are legal documents with all those implications and union representation. The people hired aren't necessarily the right actors to put right into some other play in a relatively short period of time, nor to have a production team of designers, director, and costumes ready. | |
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| re: Isn't he withdrawing women actors (and men and POC and non-POC actors) work weeks by doing this action? | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 10:53 pm EDT 10/05/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Isn't he withdrawing women actors (and men and POC and non-POC actors) work weeks by doing this action? - PlayWiz 10:13 pm EDT 10/05/21 | |
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| Right, those actors would be out of jobs, but this wouldn't necessarily be a net loss of actors having jobs. I don't offer that as a plus or minus for this situation, just as an answer to your question about female actors having the chance to work. I'm quite surprised, though, that he is able to withdraw this... it implies that they never reached a signed contract on the show. |
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| re: Isn't he withdrawing women actors (and men and POC and non-POC actors) work weeks by doing this action? | |
| Last Edit: PlayWiz 11:09 pm EDT 10/05/21 | |
| Posted by: PlayWiz 11:07 pm EDT 10/05/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Isn't he withdrawing women actors (and men and POC and non-POC actors) work weeks by doing this action? - Singapore/Fling 10:53 pm EDT 10/05/21 | |
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| Yes, all those people would be out of work; I didn't say just women -- though Harris focused on that demographic for playwrights. Harris may not be able to do this without being liable. Up to the lawyers, the actors' agents and managers and Equity and the crews' union. The theater going ahead after an 18-month layoff to present a controversial play they've promoted, sold tickets to, and he's putting focus on HIMSELF, by pulling it and leaving the theater to scramble? He might have to pay. | |
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| Focusing on Celine Song, Tori Sampson, Aleesha Harris, Claire Kiechel, Antoinette Chinonye Nwandu, Ming Peiffer, Whitney White, Clare Barron, Majkin Holmquist, Genne Murphy, and Aziza Barnes | |
| Last Edit: Singapore/Fling 11:52 pm EDT 10/05/21 | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 11:51 pm EDT 10/05/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Isn't he withdrawing women actors (and men and POC and non-POC actors) work weeks by doing this action? - PlayWiz 11:07 pm EDT 10/05/21 | |
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| Your target seems to be moving a bit. In terms of Harris, he didn't just put the focus on HIMSELF, he also put it on Celine Song, Tori Sampson, Aleesha Harris, Claire Kiechel, Antoinette Chinonye Nwandu, Ming Peiffer, Whitney White, Clare Barron, Majkin Holmquist, Genne Murphy, Aziza Barnes... and of course on CTG for only programming one female playwright in its entire season. All of these women deserve stages, and CTG could program works by any of them to fill that open slot. In terms of CTG, they're presenting a controversial play that is also the most Tony-nominated play in history and whose controversy would help sell more tickets, so I question making it seem like they're the ones taking a huge risk on the most talked about play of the past few years. If Harris is able to pull his play at this point, I am presuming he is doing so legally.... but if he's not, he's likely doing it with full awareness of what it will cost him monetarily (and, of course, he's also forgoing the money the theater would have paid him, on top of selling more copies of the book and getting more industry folks in LA to know his writing and hire him for more film gigs). |
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| re: Focusing on playwrights the company hadn't a contract with nor any deal with -- those are suggestions | |
| Posted by: PlayWiz 02:18 am EDT 10/06/21 | |
| In reply to: Focusing on Celine Song, Tori Sampson, Aleesha Harris, Claire Kiechel, Antoinette Chinonye Nwandu, Ming Peiffer, Whitney White, Clare Barron, Majkin Holmquist, Genne Murphy, and Aziza Barnes - Singapore/Fling 11:51 pm EDT 10/05/21 | |
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| made by someone prominent in theater currently, which they have no obligation to substitute this season when there's a slot in their season they've sold to subscribers and will now have to rectify. | |
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| re: Focusing on playwrights who aren’t him | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 10:13 pm EDT 10/06/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Focusing on playwrights the company hadn't a contract with nor any deal with -- those are suggestions - PlayWiz 02:18 am EDT 10/06/21 | |
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| But again, your argument was he made it about HIMSELF, when he made it at least as much about CTG and highlighted these playwrights. So which is it? | |
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| Gee, took you all day to come up with that? | |
| Last Edit: PlayWiz 12:38 am EDT 10/07/21 | |
| Posted by: PlayWiz 12:25 am EDT 10/07/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Focusing on playwrights who aren’t him - Singapore/Fling 10:13 pm EDT 10/06/21 | |
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| Deflecting doesn't work here, certainly not enough to keep me interested in your arguments. I'm off the case -- and off this thread. | |
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| It took me all day to read your post | |
| Last Edit: Singapore/Fling 02:09 am EDT 10/07/21 | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 01:56 am EDT 10/07/21 | |
| In reply to: Gee, took you all day to come up with that? - PlayWiz 12:25 am EDT 10/07/21 | |
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| And then four seconds to respond. And you are the one deflecting when you keep moving your target. And until then, this was a pleasant enough conversation. But let's recap, since you decided to go on the offensive here, First it was "He says he wants to support women playwrights, but what about women actors?" as if this is just an issue of substituting one set of women for another. When that was answered, you switched to "Oh, there were legal documents and other people were employed". When that was answered, it was "Oh, he's made this all about HIMSELF". When that was answered it was, "Oh, he's put pressure on the theater to do something they might not do". When that was answered by pointing you back to the argument about making it about HIMSELF, it was "Oh, you're stupid and I'm not going bother with you anymore". So you're making it about YOURSELF and your need to complain about Harris from any angle you can find. Which is a shame, because what we should be talking about is why CTG programmed a season - after an 18 month hiatus in which they had plenty of time to read all of the plays out there, which is their job - that has only one female playwright. Which is gross and objectionable on every level, but which you seem completely fine with. Not a single peep about the issue that Jeremy O. Harris is asking us to have the conversation focus on. No, you only want to talk about him, while claiming he's making it about himself, but actually YOU'RE making it about him. See what you did there? PS, I do kind of love this passive aggressive immaturity where you think you can mock me and then blow me off and I'm gonna feel bad about it or something. I don't. |
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| re: It took me all day to read your post | |
| Last Edit: PlayWiz 11:34 am EDT 10/07/21 | |
| Posted by: PlayWiz 11:30 am EDT 10/07/21 | |
| In reply to: It took me all day to read your post - Singapore/Fling 01:56 am EDT 10/07/21 | |
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| But of course, you enjoy having the last word on everything. Even when you spew utter nonsense and attack me. Water off a duck's back. Moving forward, it's a beautiful day today! | |
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| Last Edit: PlayWiz 12:40 am EDT 10/07/21 | |
| Posted by: PlayWiz 12:28 am EDT 10/07/21 | |
| In reply to: Gee, took you all day to come up with that? - PlayWiz 12:25 am EDT 10/07/21 | |
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