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| re: I think maybe you should do some reading on the Jewish People/Judaism | |
| Posted by: Gregv212 07:22 pm EDT 10/07/21 | |
| In reply to: I think maybe you should do some reading on the Jewish People/Judaism - HadriansMall 05:56 pm EDT 10/07/21 | |
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| Sure. | |
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| re: Will this kill color blind casting? | |
| Posted by: Zelgo 09:14 am EDT 10/08/21 | |
| In reply to: re: I think maybe you should do some reading on the Jewish People/Judaism - Gregv212 07:22 pm EDT 10/07/21 | |
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| If only Jews can play Jews; gays, gays; Latinos, Latinos and on and on and on, should a Black person be allowed to play Mama Rose or every other role written for a white person? Why don't we just let people act? |
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| Do you wanna build a straw man? | |
| Posted by: MockingbirdGirl 09:19 am EDT 10/08/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Will this kill color blind casting? - Zelgo 09:14 am EDT 10/08/21 | |
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| Literally no one has said "x can only play x." However, when ethnically appropriate people are consistently passed over for suitable parts, it's fair to ask why that is happening, and if there is something more insidious at play. | |
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| re: Do you wanna build a straw man? | |
| Last Edit: PlayWiz 01:07 pm EDT 10/08/21 | |
| Posted by: PlayWiz 01:04 pm EDT 10/08/21 | |
| In reply to: Do you wanna build a straw man? - MockingbirdGirl 09:19 am EDT 10/08/21 | |
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| I remember reading years ago, I think it might have been Richard Rodgers saying something to the effect that "Jewish folks are writing musicals to be seen by an audience made up of a lot of Jewish people but it can't be cast with Jewish people". Very weird. I don't know if that was something around WWII, though "Oklahoma!" did feature Yiddish theater notable Joseph Buloff as Ali Hakim and Howard Da Silva as Jud. Perhaps Rodgers (or whoever said this) meant as leading men/women? Ethel Merman went out of her way to make sure that people knew that she was born Ethel Zimmermann with two "n"s which is usually German, as opposed to one "n" which is traditionally Jewish (maybe German Jewish). She even (in)famously brought a ham sandwich to a Passover seder hosted by Jule Styne! Vivienne Segal, who was Jewish, had already been a stage star (before WWII with all its antisemitism being brought to the fore), but most other Jewish stage stars were comedians or character people. Lillian Roth was like an earlier day Streisand actually, though her career was sidelined by her alcoholism; interesting, that she would star in "I Can Get It For You Wholesale" with Streisand as breakout supporting player. Catch Roth as a young lady in the wonderful 1929 "The Love Parade" playing the secondary couple opposite original "Me and My Girl" star Lupino Lane -- she had a big voice, big, engaging personality and she was both funny and very cute and sexy. | |
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| re: Do you wanna build a straw man? | |
| Posted by: Zelgo 11:55 am EDT 10/08/21 | |
| In reply to: Do you wanna build a straw man? - MockingbirdGirl 09:19 am EDT 10/08/21 | |
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| Not a straw man at all--but a very apt criticism. Are Jewish actors being systematically passed over like Blacks, Latinos, Asians, and LGBT are? Are they not getting any roles because they are Jewish? Should James Caan and Sarah Paulson, both Jewish actors who have made careers playing non-Jews, have given up their roles to actors who were more ethnically appropriate? Again, if directors must cast an actor who is the exact ethnic and sexual match of the character, considering most characters are white and straight, how will this play out? Let actors be actors. Certainly, there are specific ethnic and sexual groups who historically have not been chosen for roles because of who they are. They have even been passed over ethnically appropriate roles. Jewish actors do not suffer this same discrimination. |
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| re: Do you wanna build a straw man? | |
| Posted by: showtunesoprano 12:32 pm EDT 10/08/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Do you wanna build a straw man? - Zelgo 11:55 am EDT 10/08/21 | |
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| I do not believe that Sarah Paulson is Jewish. Her wikipedia does not mention it, and a general Google search returned no such fact. Are you sure about that? Interesting, though, that you bring her up. Because while she is the appropriate ethnicity for Linda Tripp (Impeachment, and American Crime Story, currently airing on FX), she is not the appropriate size. But it's not the actor's responsibility to take or not take roles they are not appropriate for, it's the director's/producer's responsibility to be aware of such issues and cast them appropriately. So I lay the blame here with Ryan Murphy, not Paulson. |
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| re: Do you wanna build a straw man? | |
| Posted by: Zelgo 04:45 pm EDT 10/12/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Do you wanna build a straw man? - showtunesoprano 12:32 pm EDT 10/08/21 | |
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| So the actor must be every way, shape, and form like the character he/she is playing? If not, what characteristics must be the same and what doesn't have to be? At some point, these requirements get ridiculous. Again, they are actors. The whole point of acting is to be what you are not. |
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| re: Do you wanna build a straw man? | |
| Last Edit: PlayWiz 05:13 pm EDT 10/12/21 | |
| Posted by: PlayWiz 05:10 pm EDT 10/12/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Do you wanna build a straw man? - Zelgo 04:45 pm EDT 10/12/21 | |
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| Parts are sometimes lost because you look like the former boyfriend/girlfriend that one of the writers or someone in casting dated who was the cause of a bad breakup. Or they just don't like their looks or they're too good a singer and will overshadow the star, etc. All sorts of stuff happens in casting. It's all subjective. Maria Callas, for example, or any big star or actor at any point in their career, has (or had) a share of detractors as well as fans. | |
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