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| re: Since only a quarter of musicals recouped | |
| Last Edit: carolinaguy 12:05 pm EDT 10/11/21 | |
| Posted by: carolinaguy 11:56 am EDT 10/11/21 | |
| In reply to: Since only a quarter of musicals recouped - dramedy 11:10 am EDT 10/11/21 | |
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| I think this is going to need help from the critics to really succeed. But I'm wondering if there is a certain similarity to where Streisand was in her career at the time and where what's-her-name is in her career now. Both had done one Broadway show previously (Streisand a supporting role in a minor success; Feldstein a supporting role in a massive hit revival). Streisand had released three or so hit albums and had a profile from that. Feldstein has been in a couple of high-profile films, one in a leading role, and currently has a leading role in a high-profile TV project. She also has a leading role in an Oscar-bait movie that will be released before the revival opens. It's highly doubtful lightning will strike twice with this property, but I find the parallel interesting. |
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| re: Since only a quarter of musicals recouped | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 02:37 pm EDT 10/12/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Since only a quarter of musicals recouped - carolinaguy 11:56 am EDT 10/11/21 | |
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| I don't think their careers at this point are comparable even slightly... not even slightly. Other than "rising star who is established in some way". And more importantly their vocal ability, as we currently understand it, isn't even in the same world. I don't think Funny Girl is funny or good enough as a play (including lyrics, meaning they aren't that funny) for the show to succeed based on a funny person playing Fanny if they can't wow with the vocals. (I also think the show deflates if the Fanny can only sing but isn't funny). But I can't wait to see it. |
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| re: Since only a quarter of musicals recouped | |
| Posted by: lowwriter 03:30 pm EDT 10/11/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Since only a quarter of musicals recouped - carolinaguy 11:56 am EDT 10/11/21 | |
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| The question mark about Feldstein is her singing. We all knew Streisand had a great voice when she went into Funny Girl but I am not going into this revival thinking Feldstein will dazzle us with her voice. She will probably be funny, though. I do love the score for Funny Girl and don’t really think the book is a disaster. I am hoping there will be an alternate for matinees whom I can see. |
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| re: Since only a quarter of musicals recouped | |
| Posted by: theaterdude 04:46 pm EDT 10/11/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Since only a quarter of musicals recouped - lowwriter 03:30 pm EDT 10/11/21 | |
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| you are 100% correct to worry about her singing. those in theater circles are already saying that she's known as a "mixer" not a belter. that doesn't sound too promising for these songs. and unlike an earlier poster, i thought that the London revival was dreadful. sure, it's nice for fans of the show and score to hear and see it back on stage after so long, but without that Streisand magic, it's pretty flat. and unfortunately, whether it's fair or not, everyone always makes comparisons to Streisand. I don't think the recent teaser trailer did Beanie any favours either. All that said, of course I'd love to be wrong and for it to be fan-tas-tic... |
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| re: Since only a quarter of musicals recouped | |
| Posted by: HadriansMall 05:06 pm EDT 10/11/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Since only a quarter of musicals recouped - theaterdude 04:46 pm EDT 10/11/21 | |
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| Honestly curious as to what you found "dreadful" about the recent London production. Also curious if you saw it at the MCF, the Savoy or the filmed version? | |
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| How many stars were made from revivals? | |
| Posted by: dramedy 12:29 pm EDT 10/11/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Since only a quarter of musicals recouped - carolinaguy 11:56 am EDT 10/11/21 | |
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| Usually it’s an unknown in a new musical that makes someone a star. I assume it’s tough to establish oneself when compared to the original star like Streisand. I doubt American crime story will make anyone a household name actress. | |
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| re: How many stars were made from revivals? | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 01:47 am EDT 10/12/21 | |
| In reply to: How many stars were made from revivals? - dramedy 12:29 pm EDT 10/11/21 | |
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| There's no such thing as a household name anymore. There are so many channels and so many streaming services plus TikTok and other social media. Somebody that you think is famous may be completely unknown to random 13 year old in Iowa and someone she idolizes would be unknown to you. There are people that theatergoers will pay to see like yes, Midler and Jackman. But "household" names are a thing of a past. I work at a mental hospital and run a game group. We were playing Wheel of Fortune and the puzzle was "S_NNY AND C_E_" and no one could guess it. I was floored. Most of them (ages 20 to 60) did not know who Cher was. Times have changed. | |
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| Helen Gallagher in Revivals of PAL JOEY and NO NO NANETTE | |
| Last Edit: BroadwayTonyJ 07:59 pm EDT 10/11/21 | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 07:57 pm EDT 10/11/21 | |
| In reply to: How many stars were made from revivals? - dramedy 12:29 pm EDT 10/11/21 | |
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| Gallagher won a Featured Tony for the '52 revival of Pal Joey and got bigger roles, star billing (briefly), more respect, and steady employment after that show. She won the Best Actress Tony for the revival of No, No, Nanette, which led to her getting the lead role in the long running TV daytime drama Ryan's Hope for 13 years and a long, successful career. Although she never became a big star, everyone in the business that I know respects and even reveres her. |
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| Hugh Jackman starred in the REVIVAL of THE BOY FROM OZ | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 07:45 pm EDT 10/11/21 | |
| In reply to: How many stars were made from revivals? - dramedy 12:29 pm EDT 10/11/21 | |
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| Todd McKenney created the role in 1998. The Broadway version with Jackman in 2003 was revised with a different production team. | |
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| re: Hugh Jackman starred in the REVIVAL of THE BOY FROM OZ | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 08:57 pm EDT 10/11/21 | |
| In reply to: Hugh Jackman starred in the REVIVAL of THE BOY FROM OZ - BroadwayTonyJ 07:45 pm EDT 10/11/21 | |
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| But that was its Broadway premiere, so it wasn’t a revival on our shores, *and* Jackman was already a star when he did the show, so it’s not really a great comparison. | |
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| re: Hugh Jackman starred in the REVIVAL of THE BOY FROM OZ | |
| Posted by: JereNYC (JereNYC@aol.com) 09:43 am EDT 10/12/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Hugh Jackman starred in the REVIVAL of THE BOY FROM OZ - Singapore/Fling 08:57 pm EDT 10/11/21 | |
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| Jackman did (sort of) become a star in the London revival of OKLAHOMA!, which is the project that really brought him to attention and led to him getting cast in the first X-MEN movie, which then brought him the kind of wider attention that actually made him a movie star. Had X-MEN not happened, Jackman would still likely have become a top musical theatre leading man after OKLAHOMA! and might still have been able to break into film or television based on that. |
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| re: Hugh Jackman starred in the REVIVAL of THE BOY FROM OZ | |
| Last Edit: jo 12:03 pm EDT 10/12/21 | |
| Posted by: jo 12:01 pm EDT 10/12/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Hugh Jackman starred in the REVIVAL of THE BOY FROM OZ - JereNYC 09:43 am EDT 10/12/21 | |
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| What actually happened was that XMen producer Lauren Shuler Donner ( whose then assistant was Kevin Feige of Marvel Studios now) saw and met Hugh in Oklahoma! in London. He wasn't the studio and the director's first choice but when the original Wolverine leading man ( DScott) was injured filming Mission Impossible 2 and could not meet the filming deadline for XMen, LSDonner suggested that they bring in Hugh Jackman. At that time, filming was already taking place for the past few weeks. Donner will produce all his XMen major movies, including the LOGAN valedictory. Hugh trained in dramatic theatre, not musical theatre... so it is hard to tell if he would stay in the theatre as his longtime career...or pursue film as his first career priority. Of late, post-Wolverine, he has been pursuing drama and dark comedy and some film noir cum thriller, even if the first movie he did after his last XMen movie was The Greatest Showman. Ironically, he earned a Grammy for being the principal soloist in the cast recording ( at least 51% of the sung material). |
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| re: Hugh Jackman starred in the REVIVAL of THE BOY FROM OZ | |
| Posted by: JereNYC (JereNYC@aol.com) 03:55 pm EDT 10/12/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Hugh Jackman starred in the REVIVAL of THE BOY FROM OZ - jo 12:01 pm EDT 10/12/21 | |
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| If his movie career had not happened, or if the X-MEN films had fizzled, I'm pretty sure that Jackman would still have been a sought after leading man on Broadway, in the West End, and on stages in his native Australia. He'd likely have come to New York with OKLAHOMA! and that revival might then have been better received that it ultimately was (Patrick Wilson was fine, but there was a general sense that the production wasn't as good in New York as we'd heard it was in London). Had his performance been as well-received as it was in London, he would not be lacking work on New York stages. I think it's likely that Jackman would have pursued film roles, as many actors probably do, but, without the serendipity of walking into a franchise at the last moment after another actor's injury, it's unlikely that he would have had any easier a road than any other actor whose "bread and butter" is theatre. For example, I see Aaron Tveit on television now and then and he's terrific, but he's not setting the world on fire in TV the way that he does on Broadway. Maybe he just hasn't found the right role (and it's unquestionable that, for Jackman, Wolverine was the right role), but Tveit will be in demand on Broadway for leading roles, especially now that he has a Tony, probably for the next 20 years. |
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| re: Hugh Jackman starred in the REVIVAL of THE BOY FROM OZ | |
| Posted by: jo 08:37 pm EDT 10/12/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Hugh Jackman starred in the REVIVAL of THE BOY FROM OZ - JereNYC 03:55 pm EDT 10/12/21 | |
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| Hugh Jackman is a classic leading man type for movies. Plus he has proven he can handle many genres, especially now that he has retired from his Wolverine role. Drama, dark comedy, thriller, film noir, musicals. He has the looks and the big screen presence to carry a movie. I doubt that he would have remained "undiscovered" for long. His LOGAN director ( who worked with him in LOGAN & Kate&Leopold, two directly opposite genres), James Mangold has described his talent plus "an incredible masculinity" that serves him well when handling leading man roles. His next film recently completed is heavy drama, another film adaptation from recent Oscar winner Froilan Zeller's drama trilogy called The Son. It will pit him against acting heavyweights like recent Oscar winners/nominees Anthony Hopkins, Laura Dern & Vanessa Kirby. On Broadway, I was surprised to read the comments of the late Oscar winner William Goldman about his perception of Hugh Jackman's appeal and talent when he saw him in THE BOY FROM OZ. Goldman said that he saw Brando in Streetcar and Merman in Gypsy, but nothing compared to his reaction when he saw Jackman in Boy From Oz. He must be referring to Hugh's charisma and very strong joy of performing....and triple threat talent. |
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| re: Hugh Jackman starred in the REVIVAL of THE BOY FROM OZ | |
| Last Edit: PlayWiz 04:21 pm EDT 10/12/21 | |
| Posted by: PlayWiz 04:15 pm EDT 10/12/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Hugh Jackman starred in the REVIVAL of THE BOY FROM OZ - JereNYC 03:55 pm EDT 10/12/21 | |
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| They had a hard time bringing in the Laurey who was British Equity at the time for that production, and I think American Equity finally allowed her over because she danced her own ballet, which someone deemed an American wasn't available -- (untrue probably, because Susan Watson years earlier in a production had danced her own Dream Ballet). This was a number of years after the whole Sarah Brightman "Phantom of the Opera" saga, where Andrew Llloyd Webber was threatening to cancel the production if she, his wife at the time, who he had written the role for, was denied to perform it in NY. With a whole bunch of American jobs at stake, she was allowed to open the show and perform for, was it, 6 months? But, Hugh Jackman wasn't a name here at the time of "Oklahoma!" other than the buildup he was getting from reviews over in London, so I don't think he necessarily would have been allowed over by American Equity then. Predicting someone's career trajectory in theater is difficult -- as they said the same thing about Faith Prince after she won her Tony. |
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| Sandy Duncan had 2nd lead in revival of "The Boy Friend" | |
| Last Edit: PlayWiz 07:55 pm EDT 10/11/21 | |
| Posted by: PlayWiz 07:54 pm EDT 10/11/21 | |
| In reply to: Hugh Jackman starred in the REVIVAL of THE BOY FROM OZ - BroadwayTonyJ 07:45 pm EDT 10/11/21 | |
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| which she stole the reviews from Judy Carne of "Laugh-In" fame, and had a top 10 TV show (until interrupted by her eye surgery) then starred famously as "Peter Pan" and in many tv appearances ("Roots', "The Hogan Family"), etc. Also led to movie leads in "The Million Dollar Duck" and "Star-Spangled Girl" -- ok, not as money-making as Wolverine, but she sure was box-office as Peter Pan and has had a long career. | |
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| Indirectly speaking... | |
| Posted by: jo 07:26 pm EDT 10/11/21 | |
| In reply to: How many stars were made from revivals? - dramedy 12:29 pm EDT 10/11/21 | |
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| Hugh Jackman, an unknown, starred in the London RNT Oklahoma!...but while it brought him an Olivier nomination... the show eventually changed his fate. The XMen producer LSDonnner saw him in the show...and that led to his casting as Wolverine in the first XMen movie. When the first choice could not make the filming deadline, Donner suggested that they bring in Hugh Jackman to take on the lead. He went on to stay with the role for 17 years ...and that led him to other roles (including an Oscar nomination for his role of Valjean in the film adaptation of Les Miserables) ... and back on stage on Broadway. |
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| re: How many stars were made from revivals? | |
| Posted by: EvFoDr 04:51 pm EDT 10/11/21 | |
| In reply to: How many stars were made from revivals? - dramedy 12:29 pm EDT 10/11/21 | |
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| Cynthia Erivo in The Color Purple comes to mind. It's an interesting comparison since TCP is not a good musical in and of itself (as Funny Girl is said not to be--I've never seen the book to FG performed on stage so I can't say from first hand experience). Erivo and Doyle elevated TCP into something more and it's a testament to them that Erivo came out of it a star because it also doesn't have great songs---although her big number packs a wallop. Whereas FG does have great songs. Of course the major difference here, to me, is that Erivo has an exceptional and extraordinary voice, in addition to being a fine actor. There is nothing I have heard or seen so far, that is available to the general public, that indicates that Beanie Feldstein has that kind of voice. I would say that people did know going into the original FG that Streisand has a special instrument. And wasn't she stopping ....Wholesale with her number prior to that? I thought Feldstein was wonderful and hilarious in Hello Dolly, and I also cannot remember if that character has a song, or if she sang any solo sections, and if she did cannot remember one thing about how her singing voice sounded. Which is fine. She's very talented. But is it fine for Fanny? |
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| re: How many stars were made from revivals? | |
| Last Edit: BroadwayTonyJ 06:02 pm EDT 10/11/21 | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 06:01 pm EDT 10/11/21 | |
| In reply to: re: How many stars were made from revivals? - EvFoDr 04:51 pm EDT 10/11/21 | |
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| In Dolly Beanie sings in 3 songs, "Motherhood", "Dancing", and "Elegance", with the others. Minnie has no solos. She sings "Dancing through Life" and "It Takes Two" on YouTube. In an interview with Jimmy Fallon, she claims that she has been singing the score of Funny Girl since (I believe) she was 3 years old. She's obviously talented, funny, knows how to create a character, moves with grace and charm when performing a musical number. She also knows how to come across as very Jewish, like Brice and like Streisand. |
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| re: How many stars were made from revivals? FP & NL | |
| Posted by: TheHarveyBoy 02:48 pm EDT 10/11/21 | |
| In reply to: How many stars were made from revivals? - dramedy 12:29 pm EDT 10/11/21 | |
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| Faith Prince and Nathan Lane became stars from GUYS AND DOLLS. Not megastars, though. Jessie Mueller got a good career from ONE A CLEAR DAY... but again not a megastar. |
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| Audra! And more | |
| Posted by: Revned 09:26 pm EDT 10/11/21 | |
| In reply to: re: How many stars were made from revivals? FP & NL - TheHarveyBoy 02:48 pm EDT 10/11/21 | |
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| Audra McDonald shot to stardom based on her Broadway debut in the revival of CAROUSEL at Lincoln Center. Kristin Chenoweth's career got a huge boost when she played Sally in YOU'RE A GOOD MAN, CHARLIE BROWN. The first Broadway production, but it was a revival of a popular Off-Broadway musical. Alan Cumming made his name with the revival of CABARET. Other examples might be Debbie Allen (WEST SIDE STORY) and Craig Bierko (THE MUSIC MAN). And though she had several earlier credits and had already done THE LIGHT IN THE PIAZZA, I would say that Kelli O'Hara's stature as a Broadway star is based largely on her performances in several musical revivals. |
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| Bebe Neuwirth | |
| Posted by: Hair 10:33 am EDT 10/12/21 | |
| In reply to: Audra! And more - Revned 09:26 pm EDT 10/11/21 | |
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