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| Posted by: dramedy 12:52 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
| In reply to: Hugh will be back in the show 1/6 (COVID) - Ncassidine 12:49 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
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| Why even have performances until then. I doubt anyone is spending $2-500 for the understudy. | |
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| I'll take one of those $2 tickets :) | |
| Posted by: Ann 01:36 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Hugh will be back in the show 1/6 (COVID) - dramedy 12:52 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
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| I agree, I'm surprised (I can see ryhog's reasoning, but the show was built to be an event with Jackman and people paid accordingly). I'm sure his understudy (is it 30-year-old Max Clayton?) will be welcomed by those in the theater, because there is warranted good will toward understudies right now. |
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| re: I'll take one of those $2 tickets :) | |
| Posted by: FrenchDip 04:21 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
| In reply to: I'll take one of those $2 tickets :) - Ann 01:36 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
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| Max Clayton is the standby but he just announced on his Instagram that he also has Covid. Sean Montgomery is the understudy and will presumably be going on. |
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| Ages and these characters | |
| Posted by: AC126748 04:00 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
| In reply to: I'll take one of those $2 tickets :) - Ann 01:36 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
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| Ann, I assume you included Max Clayton's age for a reason, so I have to ask: how old do people think Harold Hill and Marion Paroo should be? To my mind, 53-year-old Hugh Jackman and 46-year-old Sutton Foster are much older than I envision the characters. Ideally, they should both be in their early 30s. Preston was 39 and Cook 30 when the original opened. |
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| re: Ages and these characters | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 01:10 pm EST 12/29/21 | |
| In reply to: Ages and these characters - AC126748 04:00 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
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| I think we discussed this stuff here years ago, and I may have written some of this then. I know that I have posted the general stuff I am posting below in other places in the past. The published script gives Mrs. Paroo's age as 40. As noted in a post below, Pert Kelton was 50 when the original production opened. The script says that Winthrop is 10. Eddie Hodges was 10 when the original production opened. Ron Howard was 7 when the movie was being made, and with Kelton a few years older by that time, it does seem unlikely in the movie that she could be his mother, especially since Kelton reads to us now as being at least her age. But we were supposed to not think about that or suspend disbelief if we did think about it. In the footbridge scene, Harold guesses that Marian is 26. If Marian is 26 or so, and Mrs. Paroo is 40, then it may be that Mrs. Paroo was married at 14. Legal in many states at that time, although if she was pregnant when she got married, perhaps a bit of a scandal to those who knew. But this is thinking more than I think the creators intended us to think. Anyway, they cast a 50-year-old Mrs. Paroo, not too old to have a 10-year-old son and not too young to have been a perfectly respectable age when she had a daughter who is now 26. The theory that Marian is Winthrop's mother, which people have been talking about since at least as long ago as the 1970s and probably back in 1958, seems to me easily dismissed (although someone who sometimes posts here argued with me once about this, insisting that Marian was Winthrop's mother). If this were the case, lots of people in town would know it. You can't hide something like that. You can try, but this is a small town in which everybody knows everyone else's business. If the family takes a trip for six months or nine months or a year, and when they come back, there is Winthrop, and they tell the townspeople he is Mrs. Paroo's son, who would believe it? No one. Can we believe that when Mrs. Shinn and the other ladies try to turn Harold against Marian, telling him she used her womanly wiles with old miser Madison, they would not tell him or at least strongly imply that Winthrop was Marian's out-of-wedlock son? I can't believe that. Again, this is overthinking in ways that the creators probably never expected anyone to do, but that theory is out there and has been for decades. If the roles are cast with performers who look appropriate ages, there should be no problem. If the creators had especially cared or expected us to think about these kinds of questions, they would not have cast 79-year-old Helen Raymond as Eulalie Mackecknie Shinn. The script says Eulalie is 50. Given that she has both a 16-year-old daughter and a younger one, 50 is certainly plausible. 79 is not. Hermione Gingold was 62 or so when the movie was being made. 62 is not very plausible since the yonger daughter, Gracie, is probably 12--14. Yet I never hear anyone wonder if the Shinns employed a surrogate. :) Oh, yes. Jane Houdyshell is 68. And Marie Mullen, as noted by a poster below, is also 68. Not a problem if onstage they look 50ish, even 55, but do they? But it is theatre, and this show is not exactly realism. Still, I bet people are going to wonder if Marian is Winthrop's mother much more than they did in 1957, and not just because we perhaps think that way more now. |
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| re: Ages and these characters | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 03:41 am EST 12/30/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Ages and these characters - AlanScott 01:10 pm EST 12/29/21 | |
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| My mom had her first kid in 1970 and her last kid in 1990. So it happens. | |
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| re: Ages and these characters | |
| Posted by: jeffef 01:32 pm EST 12/29/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Ages and these characters - AlanScott 01:10 pm EST 12/29/21 | |
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| When I first saw the movie the Music Man, I was totally confused by Marion being Winthrop‘s sister. But I just went along with it, one of my favorite all-time musicals. It still doesn’t make sense to me when I see any production. So I say, whatever. Can’t wait to see it in May. |
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| re: Ages and these characters | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 11:12 pm EST 12/29/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Ages and these characters - jeffef 01:32 pm EST 12/29/21 | |
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| There ia 20-years age difference between Jones and Howard. Certainly not too much for them to have the same parents, but I think something so much less common by the early 1960s than it was perhaps in earlier times. Especially if the Paroos are Catholic, we can easily imagine a backstory of Mrs. Paroo having had upwards of ten children. We may imagine a tragic history of stillborns and children who died before reaching adulthood in that time of high childhood and teeenage mortality. Of course, that is making the show much more serious, but we know that Willson started with something more serious in mind. Now I start to wonder if there was more backstory in the early drafts. One days perhaps I will read the McHugh book. If we saw or heard references to other children of Mrs. Paroo between Marian and Winthrop, it would perhaps have lessened all this talk of Winthrop being Marian's son. :) It need not all have been as tragic as what I suggested above. Most of them might simply have moved away from intolerant River City. The gay twin brothers, for example, realized they would be happier in a bigger city. Joking, but only sort of. In any case, simply a mention of other siblings who had moved away would help it make more sense to us nowadays. And perhaps in 1957, it was more easily understood that such families were not uncommon, especially in earlier decades but certainly still even in the 1950s and in New York City, with lots of huge Irish Catholic families with children who were 20 years apart in age or even more. I see a new Spielberg film version of The Music Man with a Tony Kushner screenplay providing backstory, including the gay twin brothers who moved to New York. |
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| re: Ages and these characters | |
| Last Edit: Ann 08:08 am EST 12/30/21 | |
| Posted by: Ann 08:06 am EST 12/30/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Ages and these characters - AlanScott 11:12 pm EST 12/29/21 | |
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| It's also possible they had one child and thought that would be it, then have a surprise when Mrs. Paroo was in her forties (not late fifties, but...) I had a friend who was the older sister in a similar situation, but they were only twelve years apart (twin surprises in that situation). To me, it's possible, but I think it's odd he decided to write it that way. There could be other ways to have a young boy in the house (orphaned nephew or cousin, etc.) I hope there is some explanation on the thinking. |
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| re: Ages and these characters | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 01:55 pm EST 01/06/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Ages and these characters - Ann 08:06 am EST 12/30/21 | |
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| Sorry it has taken me a few days to reply, Ann. This does happen to me a lot nowadays, when I manage to reply at all. Of course, a number of years between siblings (with no others in between) happens, but it does seem as if one reason why people see something suspicious in the Paroo family is because of the 16-20 (or more) years difference in age, depending on the production, that there appears to be between Winthrop and Marian. After I posted a few days ago, I remembered something in the dialogue that could be cited as evidence by those wanting to make the case that Marian is Winthrop's mother but perhaps I shouldn't mention it, especially since it tears down one point I cited in making the case that she is not. :) I feel like Perry Mason. Anyway, it certainly would not have been odd in that time for there to have been children between Marian and Winthrop, children who have either died or moved away, or some of both. There is a much bigger improbability in the script that no one ever mentions, perhaps because it was changed in the movie: the library being open till what seems to be around midnight on the Fourth of July. |
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| re: Ages and these characters | |
| Posted by: Ann 02:50 pm EST 01/06/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Ages and these characters - AlanScott 01:55 pm EST 01/06/22 | |
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| There is a much bigger improbability in the script that no one ever mentions, perhaps because it was changed in the movie: the library being open till what seems to be around midnight on the Fourth of July. What else is there to do when they don't want you to play pool? :) Thanks as always, Alan, for adding facts and invaluable insight. Seems that something could have been included in the book to prevent viewers from thinking about the age difference between Marian and Winthrop, but maybe they didn't think about it. Hope you get to check the McHugh book. |
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| re: Ages and these characters | |
| Last Edit: BroadwayTonyJ 01:36 pm EST 12/30/21 | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 01:25 pm EST 12/30/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Ages and these characters - Ann 08:06 am EST 12/30/21 | |
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| From the Mexican-American wing of my family, my niece's husband Roberto is 42 and his biological sister Jeanette is 20. Their father emigrated to Texas from Mexico in the early 80's as a migrant farm worker. Their mother wasn't able to gain entrance to the U.S. until the late 1990's. My entire family is Catholic. I knew an older couple (now deceased) who were also migrant workers in the 80's and friends of Roberto's parents. When they were in their late 40's, they adopted the baby of another migrant worker, who was unmarried, a close friend, and died in childbirth. The baby was named Santos, who today is 44. His older siblings are in their late 60's and early 70's. Winthrop could easily have been the child of a close friend or relative of Mrs. Paroo. She could have disclosed the child's origin to the denizens of River City or she could have chosen not to. I think that would have been quite possible at the turn of the century. |
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| re: Ages and these characters | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 11:36 pm EST 12/29/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Ages and these characters - AlanScott 11:12 pm EST 12/29/21 | |
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| The gay twin brothers, for example, realized they would be happier in a bigger city. I normally wouldn't go here, but could Winthrop have inherited their lithpths? :-) |
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| But Winthrop is a kid | |
| Posted by: dramedy 05:36 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
| In reply to: Ages and these characters - AC126748 04:00 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
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| And Marion is his sister. So that ties her age younger—can she be 30 years older than her brother? I can see a big difference in age between Marion and Harold and the show still working. | |
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| re: But Winthrop is a kid | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 07:17 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
| In reply to: But Winthrop is a kid - dramedy 05:36 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
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| One of my nephews is in his late 40s and he has an 8 year old brother. | |
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| re: But Winthrop is a kid | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 07:52 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
| In reply to: re: But Winthrop is a kid - KingSpeed 07:17 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
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| By the same mother? | |
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| re: But Winthrop is a kid | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 12:21 am EST 12/29/21 | |
| In reply to: re: But Winthrop is a kid - Singapore/Fling 07:52 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
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| re: But Winthrop is a kid | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 01:31 am EST 12/29/21 | |
| In reply to: re: But Winthrop is a kid - KingSpeed 12:21 am EST 12/29/21 | |
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| That’s a different situation, then. Is there any indication in the play that Marian’s widowed mother isn’t Winthrop’s birth mother? Somehow, I think not. Which then brings up another thorny question with this revival: we’re supposed to believe that Marie Mullen (aged 68) gave birth ten years ago, in 1902? Not impossible, but very unlikely (per Wikipedia, there are 3 documented cases of women aged 50 giving birth in the 19th Century). But I don’t think this revival is trying to make sense. |
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| re: But Winthrop is a kid | |
| Posted by: MockingbirdGirl 09:11 am EST 12/29/21 | |
| In reply to: re: But Winthrop is a kid - Singapore/Fling 01:31 am EST 12/29/21 | |
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| Or perhaps they're assuming that people aren't googling the performers' real ages and then doing math in their seats. Personally, I'm willing to suspend my disbelief... especially given that both Jackman and Foster easily play younger than their actual ages. |
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| re: But Winthrop is a kid | |
| Posted by: andPeggy 12:24 pm EST 12/29/21 | |
| In reply to: re: But Winthrop is a kid - MockingbirdGirl 09:11 am EST 12/29/21 | |
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| I agree that Jackman and Foster play younger, but Marie Mullen (Mrs. Paroo) very much looks her age at 68. For her to have a 10 year old child ... Unless, we believe that Winthrop is the love child of Marian and Old Miser Madison being raised as her brother to avoid scandal. Old Miser Madison leaving all the library books to Marian was his way of securing her future and the future of their child. J/K (kinda) |
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| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 02:35 pm EST 12/29/21 | |
| In reply to: re: But Winthrop is a kid - andPeggy 12:24 pm EST 12/29/21 | |
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| Yes, you the nail on the head, in terms of the age Mullen presents as - if they had put Houdyshell in this role, I would more easily suspend disbelief, even though she’s the same age as Mullen. And your backstory might not be what’s happening in Music Man, but it does form the basis for a significant storyline in another musical that references the Golden Age (being a bit vague to avoid spoiling). | |
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| re: But Winthrop is a kid | |
| Posted by: mikem 12:40 pm EST 12/29/21 | |
| In reply to: re: But Winthrop is a kid - andPeggy 12:24 pm EST 12/29/21 | |
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| If Marie Mullen does not appear on stage to be someone who could plausibly be the biologic mother of a 10-year-old (and a 68-year-old in that time period is not plausible), that's interesting casting, especially since Mullen is extremely talented but not a box office draw. To cast her seems to indicate that the audience is not supposed to believe that she is the biologic mother of Winthrop. I have not seen the production and I do not know what the production wants us to believe instead. |
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| re: But Winthrop is a kid | |
| Posted by: Ann 05:37 pm EST 12/29/21 | |
| In reply to: re: But Winthrop is a kid - mikem 12:40 pm EST 12/29/21 | |
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| She had to plausibly be the mother of Winthrop and a woman however old you think Sutton Foster. Or it's all fun and not plausible. |
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| re: But Winthrop is a kid | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 09:06 pm EST 12/29/21 | |
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| I've always had trouble keeping in mind that Mrs. Paroo is not Winthrop's grandmother - even when I know that's not the case. It's the same with Annie Get Your Gun - very tough to remember that the kids are Annie's siblings, not her own kids. I wonder if it also may be because Mrs. Paroo is usually played with at least a bit of an Irish accent - making her seem more "old world" than her very American-sounding daughter, and in a cast where no one else really ever seems to have foreign accents. That's fact shouldn't be related to age, but somehow it does always give me the impression that Mrs. Paroo is more grandmotherly. It probably also doesn't help that we tend to make a pair out of Winthrop and Amaryllis much more than we really see Winthrop and Marian being brother and sister. |
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| The Marian-as-birth-mother argument lives on. | |
| Posted by: Delvino 07:09 pm EST 12/29/21 | |
| In reply to: re: But Winthrop is a kid - Ann 05:37 pm EST 12/29/21 | |
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| This counter narrative that Marian is Winthrop's birth mother will never leave us. But it seems unlikely that this production, conceived like the successful Dolly to restore the vestiges of a golden era of musical theater, would be working with an entirely subtextural piece of origin story revision. In other words, seeking an older Mrs. Paroo to tell the audience that Marian had a child with the departed town miser seems a leap. They want us to think "He left all of the books to her," and with child? And this Foster Marian operates with that level of deception? I don't see the Jackman-Zaks collaboration enforcing such a subterranean plot revelation. But this exposes the original sketch of the character. Fun to read anyway. "Marian’s character sketch is seven pages long and gives a ton of backstory; however, it lists her name as Marian Maddy and is very evidently an early draft. Her last name is Maddy here because Old Miser Madison was originally her father, who then left her his books. Despite being an early draft, some details ring true for the final version of the character: “Marian might easily have succumbed to a life of quiet desperation had she not had Melvin Maddy’s legacy of books…These books were Marian’s life and the substance of her dreams.” |
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| re: The Marian-as-birth-mother argument lives on. | |
| Last Edit: jo 11:07 pm EST 12/30/21 | |
| Posted by: jo 11:05 pm EST 12/30/21 | |
| In reply to: The Marian-as-birth-mother argument lives on. - Delvino 07:09 pm EST 12/29/21 | |
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| Thanks for the link. It also gave the link on the character notes for Harold Hill, especially on Page Six of the Hill notes. Quite a different look - and makes sense as to how some have described Jackman's interpretation of the role. |
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| re: The Marian-as-birth-mother argument lives on. | |
| Posted by: Ann 07:31 pm EST 12/29/21 | |
| In reply to: The Marian-as-birth-mother argument lives on. - Delvino 07:09 pm EST 12/29/21 | |
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| "... Marian had a child with the departed town miser seems a leap" Sadder but wiser indeed. |
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| re: The Marian-as-birth-mother argument lives on. | |
| Posted by: NewtonUK 01:40 pm EST 12/30/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Marian-as-birth-mother argument lives on. - Ann 07:31 pm EST 12/29/21 | |
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| Willson had a lot of problems fleshing out Marian's character. Towards the end of rewrites he realized that he had based the character on his mother. Marian as Winthrop's birth mother is an idea of people with too much time on their hands. | |
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| re: The Marian-as-birth-mother argument lives on. | |
| Posted by: Ann 02:22 pm EST 12/30/21 | |
| In reply to: re: The Marian-as-birth-mother argument lives on. - NewtonUK 01:40 pm EST 12/30/21 | |
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| It doesn't take that much time to have the thought. | |
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| re: But Winthrop is a kid | |
| Posted by: Pokernight 01:27 pm EST 12/29/21 | |
| In reply to: re: But Winthrop is a kid - mikem 12:40 pm EST 12/29/21 | |
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| Oh, the shame of it. Could Marian be someone in the Hester Prynne category? | |
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| Last Edit: Delvino 11:38 am EST 12/29/21 | |
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| I agree. Pert Kelton (born 1907) was 50 when she played Mrs. Paroo, with Cook 30. But in fairness, 50 in 1957 was viewed as a much older, particularly for a woman (and Music Man was a decade plus before a play called Forty Carats painted women ten years younger as potentially past-it, romance-wise). It's always made sense for these roles to be cast older in our era. I'm more interested in how much agency Marian has always had, the smartest person in town who doesn't give a damn about her reputation, who keeps the big secret to save her brother and community, and doesn't sell out helping a conman find unexpected redemption. It's one reason the show still works: the women in it aren't objectified or only a reflection of male needs. Marian is a remarkably dimensional female character, and in light of her life experiences, in 2021 it makes reasonable sense to see her closer to Foster's age. And Foster decidedly reads far younger anyway. |
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| Last Edit: PlayWiz 04:45 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
| Posted by: PlayWiz 04:37 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
| In reply to: Ages and these characters - AC126748 04:00 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
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| It's because they are stars nowadays that the public knows their ages, splattered all over the internet and articles about show biz. It really depends on how these characters look on stage, not their chronological age. I'm not addressing this to you, but there are some people who harp on actors' ages in some cases because they themselves haven't lucked into or otherwise achieved that success (or gotten the roles) that those other people have (either deservedly or not) and use that as a pole to beat them with figuratively. If they look the part and can do the part, that's fine. There are variations: Robert Preston didn't look like Tyrone Power or John Payne or one of the movie studios' glamour boys or heroes back then, but as a leading character actor with sex appeal he was a brilliant Harold Hill. Also, I love Mary Martin as Peter Pan who even on tv was able to appear more youthful than her years. I have more of an issue, for example, with a Marian possibly belting some songs that were written for a legit soprano's voice which should be sung lyrically, which i wrote more about down in a previous thread. I'm not paying these prices for this or any show, but suspect some excerpts will show up on tv show performances at some point. | |
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| Last Edit: Ann 04:26 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
| Posted by: Ann 04:22 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
| In reply to: Ages and these characters - AC126748 04:00 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
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| I added it mostly because I thought people might wonder. Opposite Foster (if that happens), it may add a different dimension than with Jackman. Of course, she's been playing her age passing for 14 years younger on TV for several years. And of course #2, I'm sure it doesn't matter for this show. Edit: and never mind, he has COVID. Sean Montgomery is almost 37, if anyone is wondering. |
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| Posted by: Guillaume 02:32 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
| In reply to: I'll take one of those $2 tickets :) - Ann 01:36 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
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| I'm surprised they don't have a "semi-name" actor standing by for Jackman. Like even Jefferson Mays, who is already in the company. Someone the general public knows. | |
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| re: I'll take one of those $2 tickets :) | |
| Posted by: schlepper 06:00 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
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| You think the general public knows Jefferson Mays? The average theatergoer doesn't know Jefferson Mays! | |
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| re: I'll take one of those $2 tickets :) | |
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| That's true, Mays might be quite fine, since Harold Hill is actually a star character part; prior to his success in "The Music Man", Robert Preston had done Broadway, but was mostly known as a film character actor, usually specializing in villains. TCM recently showed a film noir of his, "Cloudburst", where his character is seeking revenge for the death of his spouse -- extremely different from anything happening in River City. | |
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| Jefferson Mays? | |
| Posted by: seeseveryshow 02:40 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
| In reply to: re: I'll take one of those $2 tickets :) - PlayWiz 02:34 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
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| Does Mays dance? Really dance? This new Music Man dances throughout. It’s an enormous dance role requiring fitness, stamina and weeks of rehearsal. The business with the suitcase and the hat and cane is tricky stuff. Let Max Clayton do it (he is the standby) before reassigning other cast members. Mays is terrific if not perfect as Mayor Shinn. He is not Harold Hill. |
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| Posted by: Guillaume 09:12 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
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| I'm sure the understudy and/or standby is quite fine and well-rehearsed (or at least shadowing the moves in the rehearsal room) in all the dances and business, though many times these shows fill understudies with chorus members, so quite possibly filled by a young leading man, who isn't quite Harold Hill either. In any case, I hope Mr. Jackman gets well soon. | |
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| re: I'll take one of those $2 tickets :) | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 01:52 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
| In reply to: I'll take one of those $2 tickets :) - Ann 01:36 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
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| John Hill (Jackman's understudy) got death threats whenever it was rumored or announced that Jackman would be out of The Boy from Oz. The production ended up canceling all performances on Jackman's days off during the show's run. Jackman then never missed a performance despite suffering some very painful injuries including hairline foot fractures. | |
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| re: I'll take one of those $2 tickets :) | |
| Posted by: PlayWiz 01:39 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
| In reply to: I'll take one of those $2 tickets :) - Ann 01:36 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
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| They were available during the original run of "A Little Night Music"! | |
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| Center Orch Tix are Still $699 | |
| Posted by: Clancy 01:53 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
| In reply to: re: I'll take one of those $2 tickets :) - PlayWiz 01:39 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
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| A quick scan of the shows while Jackman is out shows they are still selling center orchestra front for $699. Wonder if that will continue. | |
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| A steal at $345 on TKTS. | |
| Last Edit: Delvino 02:01 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
| Posted by: Delvino 01:56 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
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| I believe they'll eventually cancel January 1-6. The situation is fluid. They're honoring the dates now, in the spirit of honoring covers. But no one would've expected people to pay Midler prices to see her standby. I'm not talking about Murphy. | |
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| UPDATE: Music Man goes dark until January 6; no Hill understudy performances | |
| Last Edit: Delvino 06:59 pm EST 12/29/21 | |
| Posted by: Delvino 06:58 pm EST 12/29/21 | |
| In reply to: A steal at $345 on TKTS. - Delvino 01:56 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
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| Just learned that I called this. We won't be seeing Jackman's understudy after all. "Performances of Broadway’s The Music Man are cancelled through January 5, 2022. We will return on January 6. We wish you a safe and happy New Year." |
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| re: Hugh will be back in the show 1/6 (COVID) | |
| Last Edit: PlayWiz 01:02 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
| Posted by: PlayWiz 01:01 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Hugh will be back in the show 1/6 (COVID) - dramedy 12:52 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
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| I know you don't mean it, but that kind of goes against all those nice things people, including Hugh Jackman himself, are saying about understudies going on and saving the show. Yes, I know he's the star and a big reason for sales, though frankly, "The Music Man" is a great enough show worth seeing with a capable cast -- though I don't think any show is at those prices, even with Hugh Jackman. But people who want refunds will get them, as he is above the title and that's usual Broadway policy. | |
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| re: Hugh will be back in the show 1/6 (COVID) | |
| Last Edit: Chazwaza 05:25 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 05:12 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Hugh will be back in the show 1/6 (COVID) - PlayWiz 01:01 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
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| I don't think it's just about the absence of a huge star who is why the majority of people are buying tickets... it's the insane prices they are charging specifically because of that. Yes a good production of Music Man with a good cast is always worth seeing, for reasonable price. But let's also understand the reality of understudies. For every understudy who is *also* perfect casting and blows you away and takes away regret that you missed the normally cast actor... there are 3 who are disappointments for any number of reasons (usually having nothing to do with their ability) -- one main reason is the shows can't afford an understudy for each role, so they hire people who could in theory cover 2-4 roles... and there's just no way those people are perfectly cast for all, let alone even any, of those roles. Harold Hill carries the show to an extent. It can't just be played by anyone. This kind of experience just happened to me a month ago, I went to see Hadestown and learned first hand just how essential the specific presence and qualities of Andre deShields's talents are and what he brings... because the understudy on for him, supremely talented and capable as he was, just absolutely was not up to filling Andre's shoes. And the experience of the show really did suffer because of it. No disrespect to the talent and skill of the understudy nor to the enormous challenge it is to be able to learn and execute multiple roles, ready to go on in any of them any given day with little notice (and sometimes no rehearsal at all)... but that doesn't change what is happening for the audience experience especially for a lead role and especially for one that the show is built around AND the pricing of tickets is built around. I also saw an understudy for Val Jean in Les Miz... and I'm sorry, he just was not good enough. He was way too young and didn't have the acting chops at all, and his voice was good but not insane, and it didn't make up for what was lost otherwise. That was not a show built on a star as Val Jean... but it still messed up the entire experience for me. Perhaps he was the best they could get to be an understudy who was technically ok to play multiple big male roles, and maybe he only played the Priest if no one was out. I don't know. But I do know it's extremely unlikely he'd have been straight up cast as Val Jean on broadway at that point... and when you're seeing a broadway show and an understudy is on for a lead, you want to feel like you're at least seeing someone who would have been cast in that role. I don't blame this actor, I blame the producers. I'd much rather see an understudy for Marian than for Harold. And I'd much rather see an understudy for Orpheus than for Hermes. I'd rather see one for Buddy than for Sally, and rather see one for Fiyero than for Glinda. This does not mean, again, that you don't *often* get understudies or swings who are well cast in the role they're stepping in for... this happens all the time. And when it's something like a Marie Christine, or Max Bialystock, or Evita, or Hamilton, or Caroline... they hire specifically with this in mind, and in some cases you're lucky to be seeing the understudy or alternate (i am VERY glad I first experienced Hamilton with Javier on as Hamilton rather than LMM, I think I liked the show way more because of it). And sometimes it was good enough but you come out knowing the difference between a talented cast member capable of doing the role vs a star. And if you paid for a star, if the production was built for or around a star, there's no denying that. And sometimes an understudy IS a star they just haven't been discovered yet, and how thrilling is that to see before the world knows. (And in rarer cases, sometimes a star is cast in a role that didn't need a "star", it needed someone who could actually play the role and sing the role as written, and then you get a chance to see the role played as intended rather than through the filter of a massive and possibly limited ability of the "star" they cast to sell tickets). I know this is not the time to say anything that isn't glowing about understudies and swings, and trust me I don't mean it that way. And I agree they are heroes of the cast who are the backbone of the broadway community, and they also should be compensated way more than they are for what they're asked to learn and do, and the stress of going into the situation. But the reality of the common practice of hiring people to play a smaller role and then must cover multiple different roles... is that the probability that they're a perfect replacement for ALL the roles they have to be ready to step into is not great. So it can be a roll of the dice. But hey, even when they are not ideal for the role they're stepping into... it's better than the show being cancelled. But the bigger point is that regardless of how good or perfect the understudy/swing may or may not be, audiences *paying star prices to see a star* should not be asked to see it without that star without either a refund or an option to have the star-priced ticket switched to a normal-priced ticket (they may well want to still see the show that day without the star, but they shouldn't be paying the same price). And luckily, they do at least have the full refund or date exchange option, as long as they star is above the title. |
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| re: Hugh will be back in the show 1/6 (COVID) | |
| Posted by: jo 08:05 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Hugh will be back in the show 1/6 (COVID) - Chazwaza 05:12 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
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| Good points! It is even more distressing at this time -- not just to see a possible less-than satisfactory performance in general -- but one has to do it, with the threat of getting infected yourself inside the theatre, given that a vaccination certificate does not fully insure safety from an infection yourself. Maybe a general hiatus for Broadway during deep winter should be considered? |
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| re: Hugh will be back in the show 1/6 (COVID) | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 03:18 am EST 12/30/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Hugh will be back in the show 1/6 (COVID) - jo 08:05 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
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| I just worry if we close now, it’ll be years til we return. Producers would think twice about reopening again. | |
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| Last Edit: writerkev 05:30 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
| Posted by: writerkev 05:29 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Hugh will be back in the show 1/6 (COVID) - Chazwaza 05:12 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
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| I appreciate you bending backwards not to offend, and I agree with everything you say here. The fact is, it’s often a disappointment to get an understudy for a number of reasons. Wonderful that they’ve been keeping Broadway afloat the past few weeks, but honestly, most every time I’ve seen an understudy it’s been a capable performer, but I can usually tell the special something is missing. Sometimes it might be simply a matter of not enough rehearsal time; sometimes it’s other matters, as you suggest. I imagine many people will seek refunds for their obscenely expensive “Music Man” tickets during Jackman’s absence, and that will make them available at a more reasonable price for that week. |
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| re: Hugh will be back in the show 1/6 (COVID) | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 06:27 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Hugh will be back in the show 1/6 (COVID) - writerkev 05:29 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
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| Yes. There is *more often than not* an undeniable chemistry with the scene partners, and nuance to the performance, that is achieved through weeks of rehearsing from page to stage with the other actors under the direction of the director... which is often impossible to have otherwise. It doesn't mean the performance won't be worthwhile or thrilling or possibly bring its own nuance and chemistry... but that is a less common result of alchemy. This is just part of the reality of the understudy and the process of putting them into the role they're covering rather than what they were cast to play normally and rehearsed for. |
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| Will Sutton return on 1.2? | |
| Posted by: wendy7 01:59 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Hugh will be back in the show 1/6 (COVID) - PlayWiz 01:01 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
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| re: Hugh will be back in the show 1/6 (COVID) | |
| Posted by: ryhog 01:22 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Hugh will be back in the show 1/6 (COVID) - PlayWiz 01:01 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
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| My head immediately went to the understudies when I saw they were planning to start back up without him. Another good reason to do it is that the production is in its infancy and needs all of the performances it can get before opening. So think of it as a few extra days of rehearsal (including for the understudies who can def use it at this point) with a paying audience of whatever size and price. This assumes that they are in fact able to proceed per this plan. | |
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| perhaps the producers should offer half price tickets for these "extra rehearsals" ... or even just normal non-star bway prices | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 05:15 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Hugh will be back in the show 1/6 (COVID) - ryhog 01:22 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
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| Half of $700 doesn't cut it. Maybe they should offer tickets for $125 for orchestra and front mezz and $75 for rear and balcony for the "rehearsal" shows when many of the cast are unrehearsed understudies and the huge star(s) in the lead roles (above the title) are out. But I also think previews should be required to be sold at at least 1/3 discount. If you're asking an audience to watch what is essentially a great dress rehearsal, as part of the process of getting the show ready to be frozen and open... if the audience is paying for a less finalized show than what critics get, and what audiences seeing it after opening, are getting, then they shouldn't be asked to pay the same price as audiences getting the post-opening frozen fully formed show are paying. |
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| As always*, the price of tickets will be dictated by what folks are willing to pay. | |
| Posted by: ryhog 08:06 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
| In reply to: perhaps the producers should offer half price tickets for these "extra rehearsals" ... or even just normal non-star bway prices - Chazwaza 05:15 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
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| If people are not willing to pay today's ask, then they will be sold at discounts that sell tickets. It has always been thus. *Yes I acknowledge that there are irrational exceptions, like what people have been saying about Ain't Too Proud's pricing "strategy." |
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| re: As always*, the price of tickets will be dictated by what folks are willing to pay. | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 03:34 am EST 12/30/21 | |
| In reply to: As always*, the price of tickets will be dictated by what folks are willing to pay. - ryhog 08:06 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
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| Exactly. | |
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| re: perhaps the producers should offer half price tickets for these "extra rehearsals" ... or even just normal non-star bway prices | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 05:38 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
| In reply to: perhaps the producers should offer half price tickets for these "extra rehearsals" ... or even just normal non-star bway prices - Chazwaza 05:15 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
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| I hear you but they’re not being asked to pay full price for previews. No one is forcing people to go to previews. If you don’t want to see a preview, go to a regular performance. | |
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| "LOW PRICE PREVIEWS" used to be the norm back in the day | |
| Posted by: champagnesalesman 11:17 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
| In reply to: re: perhaps the producers should offer half price tickets for these "extra rehearsals" ... or even just normal non-star bway prices - KingSpeed 05:38 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
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| As late as the 80's...not sure when it stopped...it was a way to get people to see musicals still working their kinks out...I agree many ignorant tourists don't even know the difference or that previews mean "not yet reviewed". Back then shows changed alot in previews but nowadays many shows seem to be frozen and unchanged from multiple workshops to opening night | |
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| re: "LOW PRICE PREVIEWS" used to be the norm back in the day | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 11:29 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
| In reply to: "LOW PRICE PREVIEWS" used to be the norm back in the day - champagnesalesman 11:17 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
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| And, most importantly, even if they DO understand what "preview" means... many people don't have an option. They can see it when they can see it, either for when they're in town/when it's running (previews or not), or their life schedule. If it happens to be a "preview", ah well... hopefully it represents the show that will open well, because it's the one and only time the vast majority of the audience seeing it in previews will get to see it... and I'd bet the vast majority of people seeing it in previews aren't picking those dates because they want to see it as a work in progress (or final stages of progress) and intend to see it again after opening. I think they started charging full price for previews because they can get away with it. |
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| Posted by: KingSpeed 03:29 am EST 12/30/21 | |
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| Many people don’t have an option? What on earth are you talking about? | |
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| re: "LOW PRICE PREVIEWS" used to be the norm back in the day | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 04:08 am EST 12/30/21 | |
| In reply to: re: "LOW PRICE PREVIEWS" used to be the norm back in the day - KingSpeed 03:29 am EST 12/30/21 | |
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| Truly, I don't know what you don't understand. | |
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| re: "LOW PRICE PREVIEWS" used to be the norm back in the day | |
| Posted by: sirpupnyc 11:51 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
| In reply to: re: "LOW PRICE PREVIEWS" used to be the norm back in the day - Chazwaza 11:29 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
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| Producers would probably also argue that it doesn't cost them any less to put on a preview than a post-opening performance. (But still, charging less for an unfinished product makes sense.) There are probably difficulties of perception and word of mouth. They don't want preview audiences to feel they're getting an inferior experience. And if it's cheaper, it must be, right? Maybe bargain-hunters are more likely to talk down a bad preview. Certainly no show wants to undercut its arrival as the greatest thing ever from day one. Theatre people would understand the nuance, but we're not the majority of ticket buyers. (And we do love both a bargain and talking about what we saw.) The way to go would be to just do it and not call attention to it, and what producer (or press/marketing/ad agency) could manage to keep their mouth shut like that? |
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| Posted by: KingSpeed 03:32 am EST 12/30/21 | |
| In reply to: re: "LOW PRICE PREVIEWS" used to be the norm back in the day - sirpupnyc 11:51 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
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| The majority of theatergoers know how it works because the majority of them go to theater all the time. Us fans at ATC aren’t special. | |
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| re: "LOW PRICE PREVIEWS" used to be the norm back in the day | |
| Posted by: ryhog 12:19 am EST 12/29/21 | |
| In reply to: re: "LOW PRICE PREVIEWS" used to be the norm back in the day - sirpupnyc 11:51 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
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| following up on what I wrote above, it is important to understand that many previews ARE discounted, often quite substantially (not to mention TKTS, TDF, paper, etc.) But if people want to pay extraordinary amounts to see Hugh, that's on them, no? And as I said, the prices for the understudy shows will come a tumblin' down. | |
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| Posted by: KingSpeed 03:33 am EST 12/30/21 | |
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| I was going to say that too. There are tons of discounts when a show starts previews. | |
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| re: "LOW PRICE PREVIEWS" used to be the norm back in the day | |
| Posted by: champagnesalesman 11:47 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
| In reply to: re: "LOW PRICE PREVIEWS" used to be the norm back in the day - Chazwaza 11:29 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
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| I think alot more locals attended theatre regularly back then before it became mostly tourists with bad taste and big pockets..and you are SO right...they aren't choosing to see MUSIC MAN two months before opening...it's cause they are here now. I wonder if Sutton does play opposite the understudy for 4 shows will that mean less refunds? I believe a fair amt of people stayed to see Linda Mugelston do the one perf Midler missed in DOLLY...but then I think they were already there and it was too late to see anything else | |
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| re: perhaps the producers should offer half price tickets for these "extra rehearsals" ... or even just normal non-star bway prices | |
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| Posted by: Chazwaza 06:32 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
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| This has always been an utterly absurd reply to this issue, and i think willfully ignorant of how most people buy tickets and observe the timeline of a broadway engagement. Most ticket buyers have no idea what a "preview" means, or that they're buying tickets for it. And it is barely advertised as that. I think to ticket buyers who aren't in the know, if the show is running then it is running. It is not the responsibility of the buyer to know that they're getting a lesser product for the same price, it's the responsibility of the seller (the producer) to CHARGE LESS for the lesser version of the product. I don't think there's any argument that would be convincing that this isn't true and fair. The only reason this isn't common practice is because they can get away with not doing it - the market doesn't demand it, I think largely because there's no way for that to happen (for the audiences to demand this in any way that would result in a change). It is left to producers to treat the customer fairly, and at their own financial hit, and they do not chose to do this. And I'm not sure what you mean, that they're not being asked to pay full price for previews. They absolutely are. I'm not aware of any common practice these days of charging less for tickets during previews. They may *raise* prices after rave reviews come out when it opens, or raise them when it because a hot ticket. But where are the shows that charge $75 for previews at $125 for post-opening? Or whatever the ratio might be. Also, previews are often manipulated... sometimes they wait for the "official" opening much longer than they might. And also, many people don't have the option to just go to a "regular" performance. Not everyone is in town or available for a performance after the "opening". Such a silly assumption to make. |
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| Posted by: KingSpeed 03:23 am EST 12/30/21 | |
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| If you want to see the show after it opens, see it after it opens. Don’t tell me the ticket buyers are stupid but you’re the smart one. And if you don’t live in NYC, you can choose when to visit. People don’t accidentally end up in NYC. It costs money to get in. Either flight into Queens or $18 toll at Lincoln Tunnel and GW Bridge. | |
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| Posted by: Chazwaza 04:08 am EST 12/30/21 | |
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| You're just wrong here, on every point, as far as my experience of reality is concerned. It's laughable to me that you think these are answers. But there's absolutely no earthly reason we need to continue discussing this. |
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| re: Hugh will be back in the show 1/6 (COVID) | |
| Posted by: Delvino 04:53 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
| In reply to: re: Hugh will be back in the show 1/6 (COVID) - ryhog 01:22 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
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| Giving the company more time on the Winter Garden stage is a legitimate reason to go up sooner. If prices normalize to fill seats - presuming the ticket holders seek refunds - I’m in. I’d love to see the show pull together around a Jackman replacement. A lot of us city adjacent might feel that way. | |
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| re: Hugh will be back in the show 1/6 (COVID) | |
| Posted by: Ncassidine 01:04 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
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| I don't have a specific interest in seeing Jackman, and would be happy to see his understudy. | |
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| Posted by: Ijest22 02:48 pm EST 12/28/21 | |
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| Presumably not, though, for the $450 per ticket I had paid to see Hugh Jackman. I wouldn’t mind going to see his stand-in and Sutton, but I think it would have to be less than half that cost. | |
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