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re: i found the final image of film to be a baffling misstep...
Posted by: Chazwaza 03:06 pm EST 12/30/21
In reply to: re: i found the final image of film to be a baffling misstep... - Chromolume 02:36 pm EST 12/30/21

I wouldn't say more, I'd also like to hear from non-white audiences about it. I think if anything she has a very unique perspective as a person on all levels, so I want her take but I also want the authors and the audiences.

Since she is an executive producer who is a very respected legend, who tells the story of her discomfort with the opening lyrics of "America" and her relief that they were changed, and her experience being accused of being racist when made to wear darker make up... so I have every reason to believe that if she was bothered by the final image she would have said something and if her feeling persisted they'd have changed it. Deference to the Oscar-winning legendary and only-Puerto Rican from the original movie seems to have been very real on this movie.

All that is to say that I'm open to being convinced by Moreno or Spielberg or Kushner about why they chose this final image and what they'd say to my issues with it... but if I hear Rita say she likes the ending without a convincing explanation that satisfies my issues, I wouldn't just defer. I still think these are issues with the moment, whether Rita or the filmmakers see it that way or not (obviously they don't or they wouldn't have conceived of this new final image and kept it). Perhaps it's possible they could have been convinced of my issues with it and changed it at script stage, but sadly I wasn't asked for notes before the final cut was made. ;)
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re: i found the final image of film to be a baffling misstep...
Posted by: Ordoc 05:19 am EST 12/31/21
In reply to: re: i found the final image of film to be a baffling misstep... - Chazwaza 03:06 pm EST 12/30/21

Sometimes, when a person is in shock, they something without thinking.
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re: i found the final image of film to be a baffling misstep...
Posted by: Chromolume 09:28 pm EST 12/31/21
In reply to: re: i found the final image of film to be a baffling misstep... - Ordoc 05:19 am EST 12/31/21

Sometimes, when a person is in shock, they something without thinking.

Were you in shock when you posted this, lol? :-)
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re: i found the final image of film to be a baffling misstep...
Posted by: Chazwaza 02:08 pm EST 12/31/21
In reply to: re: i found the final image of film to be a baffling misstep... - Ordoc 05:19 am EST 12/31/21

Very true, but that doesn't seem how it was played out at all. We can infer all we want, I don't buy that that was the reason for her in that moment. If they wanted that to be clear they would have spelled it out more even visually... this movie doesn't exactly shy away from that.
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re: i found the final image of film to be a baffling misstep...
Posted by: Chazwaza 02:49 pm EST 12/31/21
In reply to: re: i found the final image of film to be a baffling misstep... - Chazwaza 02:08 pm EST 12/31/21

And if it were what they intended us to understand, that in a state of shock she wants Chino to turn himself in and stays with him to deliver him to the racist police in the very racist system after the lives of 3 of these troubled kids were ended already... let's assume that was what was happening...

Why do they want that to be the final image and final thought of the movie? I can see it as part of the movie, part of the scene... but the VERY LAST THING? I don't get it.
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