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| It'd be very fortunate if cast and crew were paid during the "hiatus" | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 09:41 pm EST 01/02/22 | |
| In reply to: I see it as very fortunate - ryhog 07:40 pm EST 01/02/22 | |
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| Or if Equity and IATSE demanded some sort of back pay when (if) the show re-opens in March. As it is, the show is closing for the winter, and I kind of wonder if this might become another tactic that producers take in the future to save costs during the doldrums. | |
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| re: It'd be very fortunate if cast and crew were paid during the "hiatus" | |
| Last Edit: KingSpeed 04:27 am EST 01/03/22 | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 04:25 am EST 01/03/22 | |
| In reply to: It'd be very fortunate if cast and crew were paid during the "hiatus" - Singapore/Fling 09:41 pm EST 01/02/22 | |
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| If I’m Rob McClure, I’d head to L.A. and try to get a TV show. Unless they’re paying him a lot not to. There are so many TV shows nowadays and he’s very talented. | |
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| re: It'd be very fortunate if cast and crew were paid during the "hiatus" | |
| Posted by: JereNYC (JereNYC@aol.com) 05:01 pm EST 01/06/22 | |
| In reply to: re: It'd be very fortunate if cast and crew were paid during the "hiatus" - KingSpeed 04:25 am EST 01/03/22 | |
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| He was very good guest starring for a couple of episodes on the Spectrum Original series THE BITE last year alongside, among others, Audra McDonald, Taylor Schilling, Steven Pasquale, Phillipa Soo, Will Swenson, and Leslie Uggams. | |
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| re: It'd be very fortunate if cast and crew were paid during the "hiatus" | |
| Posted by: ryhog 10:05 pm EST 01/02/22 | |
| In reply to: It'd be very fortunate if cast and crew were paid during the "hiatus" - Singapore/Fling 09:41 pm EST 01/02/22 | |
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| This year is not every year, and this is not the garden variety doldrums. Or at least let's hope it's not how the garden grows in the future. The parties could have negotiated something here but there is a lack of leadership on both sides, as I have discussed ad nauseum. Beyond that, and this addresses your other post as well, let's be real here: the only alternative is shutting down for good. And we will see the same thing play out with a lot of other shows. And the rich guys who stay open may well be hurt long term too. Not a good situation but this is the closest thing to leadership I've seen since the word omicron entered our consciousness. I have had my issues with Kevin but I have to give him credit here. He stepped forward when everyone else was staring at the floor. We've known all along that this winter was going to be brutal. Omicron has made it many times worse. As I keep saying, expect a dozen shows to survive. If fast forwarding to spring gives Doubtfire a fighting chance, good on them. Ask the ATP company if they would have preferred this. |
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| re: It'd be very fortunate if cast and crew were paid during the "hiatus" | |
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| Posted by: Delvino 11:13 am EST 01/03/22 | |
| In reply to: re: It'd be very fortunate if cast and crew were paid during the "hiatus" - ryhog 10:05 pm EST 01/02/22 | |
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| Well (and bluntly, necessarily) said. We may look back at this post as the pragmatic POV ultimately embraced by everyone. Of course, we live in an era characterized by normalizing that which is not normal, so it shouldn't surprise us that some people want to pretend that because Broadway came back it can no longer behave with a sense of responsibility befitting changing circumstances. As protocols have been mutable, so must we all adapt to new economic circumstances, compromise in economic models. Leadership matters now, and I've learned much watching those who've stepped up to demonstrate even a modicum. In an industry wherein "no one knows anything," perhaps we know even less, thanks to this pandemic. That's a useful starting place in early 2020: acceptance. | |
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| re: It'd be very fortunate if cast and crew were paid during the "hiatus" | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 12:08 am EST 01/03/22 | |
| In reply to: re: It'd be very fortunate if cast and crew were paid during the "hiatus" - ryhog 10:05 pm EST 01/02/22 | |
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| What leadership are you seeing? Considering that he’s keeping “Six” running, what is he doing aside from cutting losses on his underperforming show until ticket sales might be more favorable? | |
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| re: It'd be very fortunate if cast and crew were paid during the "hiatus" | |
| Posted by: ryhog 12:38 am EST 01/03/22 | |
| In reply to: re: It'd be very fortunate if cast and crew were paid during the "hiatus" - Singapore/Fling 12:08 am EST 01/03/22 | |
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| He is trying something other than just folding up his tent. He has negotiated something with the unions, which is more than the league has done. He has charted a path that hopefully some others will be able to follow. I don't see this as the ideal way forward but it is better than nothing. I don't think you appreciate how perilous things are. There is no choice available for a bunch of shows to run through the winter. It's do something like this or close. That is not a better outcome. And yes if we take your what is he doing aside from question, he is trying to save a show. 2022 is not going to be "normal." I think I know what is motivating your reaction but what positive outcome is possible at the end of your alternative. It seems like you want the production to lose $10mil to keep everyone employed. That's not an option; they don't have the money to do that. So what then? |
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| re: what did he negotiate with unions? | |
| Posted by: kidmanboy 06:47 am EST 01/03/22 | |
| In reply to: re: It'd be very fortunate if cast and crew were paid during the "hiatus" - ryhog 12:38 am EST 01/03/22 | |
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| What was negotiated with the unions? It would seem as far as the staff of the show is concerned the show closes 1/10. From everything I was read no one is getting paid or under any contractual obligation beyond that point. | |
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| re: what did he negotiate with unions? | |
| Posted by: ryhog 01:41 pm EST 01/03/22 | |
| In reply to: re: what did he negotiate with unions? - kidmanboy 06:47 am EST 01/03/22 | |
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| Specifically, I do not know because it has not been shared tmk. But obviously something. Otherwise, this "suspension" would be a closure and treated as such, as would the reopening. I am endlessly mystified by the reactions of some people to this (and lots more things). Would you have preferred if he just packed his bags and went home? This (like many other shows) have no choice but to close. This is an effort to keep it alive, if on life support. What ulterior motive are you seeing in this action? I just can't fathom the mindset. |
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| re: what did he negotiate with unions? | |
| Posted by: kidmanboy 06:09 pm EST 01/03/22 | |
| In reply to: re: what did he negotiate with unions? - ryhog 01:41 pm EST 01/03/22 | |
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| I have nothing against this move for this particular show. I just don’t think it’s particularly novel (I do believe it is just closing while selling tickets for March in hopes it’s able to reopen) and don’t agree with some that it should be applied to every show as a new business model. It is much better to keep people employed if the ticket sales are there. As a local who has seen several shows already and has tickets for several more this winter, I haven’t seen Mrs Doubtfire and don’t intend to. I do think the increase in sales come spring is a bit of wishful thinking. |
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| re: what did he negotiate with unions? | |
| Posted by: fosse76 03:50 pm EST 01/03/22 | |
| In reply to: re: what did he negotiate with unions? - ryhog 01:41 pm EST 01/03/22 | |
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| Based on the language he used, it seems like a closure in all but name. The show hasn't been running that long since reopening, so there are presumably no contract expirations that would occur during the hiatus which necessitates the language that anyone who wants to return can. My guess is that the negotiation resulted in an agreement that the union wouldn't sue over the hiatus, provided the actors are rehired under current contract conditions. |
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| re: what did he negotiate with unions? | |
| Posted by: ryhog 08:04 pm EST 01/03/22 | |
| In reply to: re: what did he negotiate with unions? - fosse76 03:50 pm EST 01/03/22 | |
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| just a couple of observations. (1) there are lots of poeple employed besides actors on term contracts. (2)I think there are a lot of fine points to be negotiated. E.g., rehearsals. (3) there is significant expense to the production arising from this approach. No one would do that without the intention (perhaps wishful) of reopening at the end of it. and yes, couple=3. :-) |
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| re: what did he negotiate with unions? | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 09:45 pm EST 01/03/22 | |
| In reply to: re: what did he negotiate with unions? - ryhog 08:04 pm EST 01/03/22 | |
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| What are the significant expenses of this approach? Too many of us, it looks as if this is a way to freeze paying for the show while they await better days. And how much do you think McCollum will be spending on the show during the hiatus? | |
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| re: what did he negotiate with unions? | |
| Posted by: ryhog 10:08 pm EST 01/03/22 | |
| In reply to: re: what did he negotiate with unions? - Singapore/Fling 09:45 pm EST 01/03/22 | |
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| theatre rent and a bunch of pass-throughs like utilities, maintenance, etc, insurance, equipment rental, off the top of my head. And assuming things don't take a turn for the worse, there are also rehearsal expenses (of some length), casting, repairs and a lot more. Give me an hour and I'll spend more. :-) I have no idea how much but I would say 6 figures approaching 7. Curious if anyone else has an answer here. | |
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| re: what did he negotiate with unions? | |
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| Posted by: writerkev 06:21 am EST 01/04/22 | |
| In reply to: re: what did he negotiate with unions? - ryhog 10:08 pm EST 01/03/22 | |
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| I imagine they’ll need some baseline level of advertising at some point to keep it in the public’s mind, make the reopening seem real, and support advance sales for March. | |
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| re: what did he negotiate with unions? | |
| Posted by: Ann 08:31 pm EST 01/03/22 | |
| In reply to: re: what did he negotiate with unions? - ryhog 08:04 pm EST 01/03/22 | |
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| That's a throuple. | |
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| re: It'd be very fortunate if cast and crew were paid during the "hiatus" | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 12:58 am EST 01/03/22 | |
| In reply to: re: It'd be very fortunate if cast and crew were paid during the "hiatus" - ryhog 12:38 am EST 01/03/22 | |
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| I appreciate how perilous things are, and I understand why he’s decided to lay off cast and crew with the promise to re-hire…. and if the show re-opens and is still running a year from now, I may tip my hat to him. What I question is calling this “very fortunate” and praising McCollum as a leader for provisionally closing his show. |
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| re: It'd be very fortunate if cast and crew were paid during the "hiatus" | |
| Posted by: ryhog 01:12 am EST 01/03/22 | |
| In reply to: re: It'd be very fortunate if cast and crew were paid during the "hiatus" - Singapore/Fling 12:58 am EST 01/03/22 | |
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| because it is a better outcome than anyone else has planned, plain and simple | |
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| re: It'd be very fortunate if cast and crew were paid during the "hiatus" | |
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| Posted by: mikem 11:22 pm EST 01/02/22 | |
| In reply to: re: It'd be very fortunate if cast and crew were paid during the "hiatus" - ryhog 10:05 pm EST 01/02/22 | |
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| It certainly appears that the show has no other choice. I was also wondering if, once the pandemic is over, other shows might want to take a mid-winter hiatus. Financially in "normal" times, it may or may not make sense because presumably the show would still have to pay rent, and the stop clause might be invoked. Right now, I'm guessing that there's no line of shows waiting to take over the theater, so the landlord is willing to work with the Doubtfire producers. But in "normal" times, the landlord might just give the house to some other show rather than get minimum rent. | |
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