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| re: Surprise! SAG nominations are nearly tone-deaf to movie musicals | |
| Posted by: mikem 12:42 pm EST 01/12/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Surprise! SAG nominations are nearly tone-deaf to movie musicals - chrismpls 11:38 am EST 01/12/22 | |
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| West Side Story missing out on Best Ensemble is a surprise. 18 of the 21 experts at GoldDerby thought it would get nominated. I'm not sure the others missing out are that surprising though. I'm glad to see Ariana DeBose and Andrew Garfield get nominated, though. Not to jinx them, but I think they would be expected to get Oscar nominations at this point. | |
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| re: Surprise! SAG nominations are nearly tone-deaf to movie musicals | |
| Posted by: Snowgrace 01:46 pm EST 01/12/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Surprise! SAG nominations are nearly tone-deaf to movie musicals - mikem 12:42 pm EST 01/12/22 | |
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| Had also wanted SCHMIGADOON! to get some love in the television category, particularly for ensemble. Ariana DeBose is such a delight in it, I am all the more looking forward to seeing her Anita. | |
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| re: Surprise! SAG nominations are nearly tone-deaf to movie musicals | |
| Posted by: portenopete 04:30 pm EST 01/12/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Surprise! SAG nominations are nearly tone-deaf to movie musicals - Snowgrace 01:46 pm EST 01/12/22 | |
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| Unfortunately Schmigadoon! didn't get much critical love and I think that casts a pall over certain projects that would trickle down to actors casting their votes for the SAG's. I liked it but it ended up feeling very thin by the last episode and a kind of in-joke piece intended primarily for musical theatre aficionados (which would be me). It had the dual curse of being both a very musical musical and very comic comedy, neither of which make people think that it is awards material. Not saying I agree with that thinking, but it does seem undeniable. | |
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| re: Surprise! SAG nominations are nearly tone-deaf to movie musicals | |
| Last Edit: WaymanWong 09:13 pm EST 01/12/22 | |
| Posted by: WaymanWong 09:07 pm EST 01/12/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Surprise! SAG nominations are nearly tone-deaf to movie musicals - portenopete 04:30 pm EST 01/12/22 | |
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| I loved ''Schmigadoon!'' and saw a number of pretty good notices. Its Rotten Tomatoes rating is 88%; audience score is 84%. The American Film Institute picked it as a TV Program of the Year, and Broadcast Film Critics nominated Kristin Chenoweth. That said, ''Schmigadoon!'' only ran for 6 episodes, and in a landscape of so many streamers and shows, it's hard to stand out. And let's face it: Musicals have niche appeal, on the little screen and the big screen, as the latest (and even acclaimed) ones have shown. So far, Amazon hasn't renewed ''Schmigadoon!'', so I doubt it'll happen, but I'm thrilled we even got the joy of one wonderful season! |
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| re: Surprise! SAG nominations are nearly tone-deaf to movie musicals | |
| Last Edit: Chazwaza 02:58 pm EST 01/13/22 | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 02:49 pm EST 01/13/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Surprise! SAG nominations are nearly tone-deaf to movie musicals - WaymanWong 09:07 pm EST 01/12/22 | |
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| I basically loved the whole thing, though I felt eventually it stopped exploring the potential of the concept which was a bit disappointing, and I'd say the first 3 I loved and the last 3 I liked. Maybe I ended up loving the final episode? I can't remember. But I believe, if i'm not misremembering, Schmigadoon was originally meant to be a movie or a 3 episode super-mini series -- i can't remember which, but I'm pretty sure the Studio considered both at some point. That's why a lot of the episodes don't end the way most tv episodes might, crafted to get to a certain place and tee you up to watch the next one, rather, as I recall, a lot of them just kind of stopped and picked up again in the next episode. Personally, I think it might have worked better as a 3 part series so each episode had 40-45 min to bring you in, and get in at least 3 songs, or as a 2 hour movie, which it basically is being six 20-ish minute long episodes. I think had a network like NBC or ABC gotten behind it and run it as a special event movie, starring TV and movie stars like Cecily Strong, Keegan Michael-Key, Kristen Chenoweth, and Alan Cumming and Jane Krakowski thrown in... it might have done much better and gotten much more attention. But maybe the concept and the references are too niche to chance on a 3 hour primetime slot on a broadcast network. I also wonder what it would be like if it were revived as a live TV event musical, done on an old fashioned movie sound stage (with the beginning of the pilot, and the flashbacks, done single cam, pre-tape). I dunno, could be fun! |
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| re: Surprise! SAG nominations are nearly tone-deaf to movie musicals | |
| Posted by: portenopete 08:36 am EST 01/13/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Surprise! SAG nominations are nearly tone-deaf to movie musicals - WaymanWong 09:07 pm EST 01/12/22 | |
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| I can't say this is an accurate aggregate of all the reviews, but anecdotally it seemed to me most of my musical theatre cohort felt that it started strong and kind of flatlined. I definitely lost interest around the fourth episode. (I wish Aaron Tveit hadn't been sidelined midway through; I was really enjoying him.) But I agree that it's great that it got green lit at all and it provided many laughs and even a tear. |
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| Singing the praises of 'Schmigadoon!' and Cinco Paul's songs | |
| Last Edit: WaymanWong 03:57 pm EST 01/13/22 | |
| Posted by: WaymanWong 03:53 pm EST 01/13/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Surprise! SAG nominations are nearly tone-deaf to movie musicals - portenopete 08:36 am EST 01/13/22 | |
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| Cinco Paul, who co-created the series with Ken Daurio, has said that ''Schmigadoon!'' originally was supposed to be 8 episodes long, but Apple would greenlight only 6. As a result, the show had to cut down the plot and shorten the arcs of certain characters. That said, it's still a miracle it got made. Where else were you gonna see a parody of Golden Age musicals starring so many Tony winners, including Kristin Chenoweth, Alan Cumming, Jane Krakowski, Martin Short and Aaron Tveit, alongside Ariana DeBose and Ann Harada? With dances by Tony winner Christopher Gattelli. I'm assuming ''Schmigadoon!'' was no ratings blockbuster, but I hope the music branch of the Emmys remembers to nominate one or two of Paul's toe-tapping songs. I fondly recall the season's touching finale, ''How We Change,'' and I loved DeBose teaching her classroom of kids ''With All of My Heart.'' And if I had to submit only one song, I'd go with ''Cross That Bridge,'' the series' salute to Frank Loesser's gospel-sounding showstoppers. Just out of curiosity, I checked Paul's Twitter to see what he's doing next. And he's got a new musical, ''A.D. 16,'' making its world premiere (Feb. 4-March 6) at the Olney Theatre Center in Olney, Md. It's a musical comedy about a teenaged Mary Magdalene (played by Phoenix Best) who ''falls in love with the carpenter's song next-door, who happens to be a kid named Jesus'' (played by Ben Fankhauser of ''Newsies''). Info: olneytheatre.org. |
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| Link | 'Schmigadoon!: 'Cross That Bridge' (singalong video) |
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| Any awards committee which ignores Rachel Zegler and the ensemble of WSS... | |
| Posted by: peter3053 04:11 pm EST 01/13/22 | |
| In reply to: Singing the praises of 'Schmigadoon!' and Cinco Paul's songs - WaymanWong 03:53 pm EST 01/13/22 | |
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| ... must be so blind to talent and accomplishment that it calls into question all of its credibility! It borders on treason! Treason! Traitors - to the thespian and cinematic art! I hope the committee holds a dance so I can go and challenge them to a private rumble ... weapons: popcorn and film clips, theirs against mine! I will start with the exquisite "Scherzo" Zegler does, the morning after the balcony scene, then follow with a swift upper "One Hand One Heart"! Take THAT, SAG committee! SAG? You certainly will!!! Are you actually broadcasting your pathetic awards ceremony?? I for one will not be watching - To quote Oscar Jaffee, "I close the iron door!!!!!!" |
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| re: Any awards committee which ignores Rachel Zegler and the ensemble of WSS... | |
| Posted by: musicalsfan 10:16 pm EST 01/13/22 | |
| In reply to: Any awards committee which ignores Rachel Zegler and the ensemble of WSS... - peter3053 04:11 pm EST 01/13/22 | |
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| There's actually no SAG Awards "committee" that does the nominating. Each year a few thousand members of the union are chosen randomly, and the results of their submitted choices are tabulated. For the voting for the winners, all members can participate. So, I doubt that the nominating folks who are scattered all over the country will be getting together for a dance, making it rather impossible for a rumble, justified though it might be. | |
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| re: Any awards committee which ignores Rachel Zegler and the ensemble of WSS... | |
| Posted by: peter3053 07:48 am EST 01/14/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Any awards committee which ignores Rachel Zegler and the ensemble of WSS... - musicalsfan 10:16 pm EST 01/13/22 | |
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| They're scattered all over the country? It's worse than I thought! Round them up and stop them from ever being selected again! But seriously ... in that case, it really does make me wonder how many of them have actually seen the movie, to be able to judge, or if it skews results towards streamed releases easily seen on the TV at home. |
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| re: Any awards committee which ignores Rachel Zegler and the ensemble of WSS... | |
| Last Edit: WaymanWong 08:06 pm EST 01/14/22 | |
| Posted by: WaymanWong 07:53 pm EST 01/14/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Any awards committee which ignores Rachel Zegler and the ensemble of WSS... - peter3053 07:48 am EST 01/14/22 | |
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| If I understand it correctly, SAG picked about 2,000 members across the country as nominators, and this year, I actually knew one. He tells me he loved ''West Side Story'' and voted it for Best Ensemble, and was shocked it wasn't one of the nominees. As a few journalists have reported since the announcement, it appears ''West Side Story'' had a screener issue. Before the SAG nominations came out, I heard some griping online about how ''West Side Story'' didn't send out physical screeners. I don't know if it was for economic reasons (to save money) or artistic ones (to encourage SAG members to see it on the big screen). At any rate, SAG nominators also had the option of seeing it digitally online. My SAG-nominator friend noted that all 5 of the SAG Ensemble nominees sent out physical screeners. Who knows? It's also possible that the SAG nominators were more attracted by the bigger names in ''Don't Look Up'' (Leonardo DiCaprio, Jennifer Lawrence, Meryl Streep) and ''House of Gucci'' (Lady Gaga, Al Pacino). Whereas ''West Side Story'' has terrific talent in it, but Ansel Elgort aside, they're largely unknown (Rachel Zegler, Ariana DeBose, Mike Faist, David Alvarez). A shame because I still think ''West Side Story'' should've been nominated AND won SAG Ensemble. What a diverse and dazzling group of triple threats, who sang, acted and danced their hearts out. |
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| re: Any awards committee which ignores Rachel Zegler and the ensemble of WSS... | |
| Last Edit: Delvino 11:33 am EST 01/15/22 | |
| Posted by: Delvino 11:30 am EST 01/15/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Any awards committee which ignores Rachel Zegler and the ensemble of WSS... - WaymanWong 07:53 pm EST 01/14/22 | |
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| I’m in the WGA, and we didn’t receive WSS screeners - and I’ll be voting for Kushner’s work - yet we just got the Coen Scottish Play, an odd adaptation to expect award recognition from writers. I get the big screen preference but - hardly the first to note this - I believe WSS will face losses as a result. | |
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| re: Any awards committee which ignores Rachel Zegler and the ensemble of WSS... | |
| Posted by: WaymanWong 05:50 pm EST 01/16/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Any awards committee which ignores Rachel Zegler and the ensemble of WSS... - Delvino 11:30 am EST 01/15/22 | |
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| Thanks, Delvino, for voting for Kushner's work. I really thought his work was so substantial and important to Spielberg's new vision. As a writer yourself, you probably realize that the screenplays to musicals are historically underrated and overlooked. In fact, the 1961 movie of ''West Side Story'' won 10 of its 11 Oscars, and the only one it lost was Adapted Screenplay. And the last screenplay to a movie musical to win an Academy Award is ''Gigi'' (1958). Speaking of the WGA, they used to give a prize for Best Written Musical, from 1949-1969. Another relic of another time. |
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| re: Any awards committee which ignores Rachel Zegler and the ensemble of WSS... | |
| Posted by: peter3053 12:26 am EST 01/15/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Any awards committee which ignores Rachel Zegler and the ensemble of WSS... - WaymanWong 07:53 pm EST 01/14/22 | |
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| Wayman, I agree with your assessment of the cast of WSS one thousand per cent!!!! DiCaprio, Streep, Pacino - bah! Who are they, compared to Zegler, Faist, Alvarez et al.?!! Nobodies. |
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| WEST SIDE STORY -- Controversy in the Latino Community | |
| Last Edit: BroadwayTonyJ 06:12 pm EST 01/14/22 | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 06:11 pm EST 01/14/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Any awards committee which ignores Rachel Zegler and the ensemble of WSS... - peter3053 07:48 am EST 01/14/22 | |
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| I've seen the new West Side Story twice and do like it overall but it is very controversial among various members of the Latino community that I know and who are members of my family. A lot of them really hate it because they feel it lacks authenticity. I posted about this earlier today in response to another poster's rave below. | |
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