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| Do you think that one article shows "what's actually going on"? | |
| Last Edit: waterfall 01:05 pm EST 01/13/22 | |
| Posted by: waterfall 12:53 pm EST 01/13/22 | |
| In reply to: Meanwhile, what's actually going on... - reed23 09:38 am EST 01/13/22 | |
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| Especially one with falsehoods? Take this quote, from an anonymous producer: "When [the unions] started objecting about the booster mandate, it was like, ‘Guys, we don’t have time for this. We are just trying to keep people alive.’ " Disingenuous at best, dishonest at worst. The unions have never, to my knowledge, objected to a booster mandate. That's outright libel. If you or the anonymous producer can point towards where unions have objected to the booster, please link it. It's THEIR HEALTH on the line. There have been negotiations regarding how many paid days off will be given if a bad reaction to boosters occurs, but I have not heard of a single instance of unions being anti-booster. What is your objection to Paul Masse, a pit keyboardist, being interviewed? Ought we not hear all voices? He has some valid viewpoints. "If employees are asked to accept a massive loss in income when the need to close the show arises, said Masse, then during weeks with full performances where a profit is made, it should be a part of the plan to use that profit to pay back the 50 percent incurred. “I have long advocated for profit-sharing as part of our union agreements. Transparency and a sense of shared responsibility, and shared success, are essential now.” Why is that such an alien concept? |
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| re: Do you think that one article shows "what's actually going on"? | |
| Posted by: reed23 05:03 pm EST 01/13/22 | |
| In reply to: Do you think that one article shows "what's actually going on"? - waterfall 12:53 pm EST 01/13/22 | |
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| The line you quoted from the article does not state that Actors Equity objected TO a booster mandate, but ABOUT the booster mandate. And yes, the objections concerned how many paid days off there would be in the event of a bad reaction to the booster shot. I think Paul's interview followed one with the President or prominent figure of the Scenic Design union – so I was expecting someone of equal and current credentials from Local 802. Yes, Broadway profit-sharing with contract employees strikes me as a dramatically new, and extremely unlikely thing – what some might call "alien." And yes, since I knew even less about all this than one of the posters above, a single article with some explanation and background was quite helpful – when read, as one should read any article about anything, with understanding that journalists have individual degrees of their own perspective, possible agenda, and degree of accuracy. |
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| ??? or Here's What's Actually Actually Going On | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 05:20 pm EST 01/13/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Do you think that one article shows "what's actually going on"? - reed23 05:03 pm EST 01/13/22 | |
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| The line referenced was originally quoted by you, with the headline that this was what was actually going on, in response to a post that put the blame for this mess on producers. And the way that you shared it, without context, gave me, and I'm presuming others, the impression that Equity was opposed to a Booster Mandate that producers desperately wanted, hence that nonsense from the anonymous source about trying to save lives, when they were really haggling over sick leave. So you let us all think that Equity was objecting TO a booster mandate until it was pointed out that they weren't. | |
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| re: ??? or Here's What's Actually Actually Going On | |
| Posted by: reed23 06:33 am EST 01/14/22 | |
| In reply to: ??? or Here's What's Actually Actually Going On - Singapore/Fling 05:20 pm EST 01/13/22 | |
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| For the second time, you've mischaracterized the quote from the article concerning booster shots; I indeed published the quote, which you then re-published and mischaracterized, and now you feel you've won an imaginary argument by claiming that the issue is who quoted it first, rather than who mischaracterized it. "About" does not equal "to," no matter how many times you insist it does. But no matter. Broadway is being severely impacted by the virus, some shows have and will continue to close, the producers of other shows will try to salvage them with these theoretically temporary closures, and hopefully the leveling off and decline in case numbers will allow some of them with money stashed in the bank to reopen, if anyone wants to see them. I'm optimistic from the medical information I've seen, and pessimistic about the production-union battles. |
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| re: ??? or Here's What's Actually Actually Going On | |
| Posted by: ryhog 09:37 am EST 01/14/22 | |
| In reply to: re: ??? or Here's What's Actually Actually Going On - reed23 06:33 am EST 01/14/22 | |
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| I want to avoid the back and forth y'all are having here, but I have a question and a comment. First, can you articulate what exactly you are pessimistic about? (I'm asking without an value judgment. I am just trying to understand a little more. I have my own sentiments, some of which I have expressed here.) Second, with regard to the booster issue, it is useful to quantify the dollar cost to producers. Doing so makes it clear that it is de minimis, which gets us back to the point of understanding what's going on at play and then assessing where leadership deficiencies play into so many of the problems we are confronting (or not). | |
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| re: ??? or Here's What's Actually Actually Going On | |
| Posted by: waterfall 09:28 pm EST 01/13/22 | |
| In reply to: ??? or Here's What's Actually Actually Going On - Singapore/Fling 05:20 pm EST 01/13/22 | |
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| I could spend more time countering reed23's posts, but I see little point in it. You have covered the most egregious of them. However, in the interest of accuracy, regarding this: "The line referenced was originally quoted by [reed23], with the headline that this was what was actually going on, in response to a post that put the blame for this mess on producers." I don't think I put the blame on producers. If I gave that impression, I'd like to correct that now. I am no fan of McCollum's as a rule, but I agree with him that Covid is to blame. Everything about this situation is prototypical. Solutions will not be easy. |
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