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| Last Edit: Jdnyc33 08:58 am EST 01/14/22 | |
| Posted by: Jdnyc33 08:56 am EST 01/14/22 | |
| In reply to: Actor rejected by Juilliard goes viral. - kieran 03:51 am EST 01/14/22 | |
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| The process to get into BFA programs is now so incredibly complicated and costly. Coaches, coaching schools, many hours perfecting auditions. He makes a mockery of the process. Maybe it needs that? My son said on an earlier post he claimed he hadn’t found his Shakespeare monologue yet a few weeks before. Whereby my son has been working for almost a year on his. Oh well. The kid now has an agent and triples his social media following with people planning a protest for him. |
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| re: Actor rejected by Juilliard goes viral. | |
| Posted by: portenopete 11:05 am EST 01/14/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Actor rejected by Juilliard goes viral. - Jdnyc33 08:56 am EST 01/14/22 | |
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| I never tried out for Julliard- it wasn't an intake year the year I was starting- but I did end up at a similarly structured conservatory that had a pretty small cohort each year (15 in my class). As nerve-racking and terrifying as the process was, it was incredibly simple. Two pieces, one classical (chosen from a list provided) and one contemporary (which meant 20th century). One initial audition. One callback. There were some improv warm-ups, I remember, at the callback, but that was about it. When I hear about the process today I am grateful I started when I did (mid-1980's). One of the crazy things about Julliard is that it seems full of people who have already gone through three- and four-year programs elsewhere. Sometimes really prestigious places like Yale or NYU. I do find it disturbing that social media influencers may determine who gets accepted at the best theatre schools in the country. Like what happened with leVar Burton and Jeopardy!, the public is not necessarily the best arbiter of these things. He's a personable and cute 20-year old who will have great appeal for girls and gay boys but that has nothing to do whether or not he can act. Glad that Juilliard has enough surety to shrug its shoulders and say "Who cares?" |
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| re: Actor rejected by Juilliard goes viral. | |
| Posted by: whereismikeyfl 08:18 pm EST 01/14/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Actor rejected by Juilliard goes viral. - portenopete 11:05 am EST 01/14/22 | |
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| "One of the crazy things about Julliard is that it seems full of people who have already gone through three- and four-year programs elsewhere. Sometimes really prestigious places like Yale or NYU." I suspect that they went to the undergraduate programs at Yale and NYU, which while good schools, are not the prestigious graduate programs those universities have. While it was not a degree program until recently, Juilliard did not usually accept people who already had MFAs. |
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| Last Edit: BruceinIthaca 04:38 pm EST 01/15/22 | |
| Posted by: BruceinIthaca 04:34 pm EST 01/15/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Actor rejected by Juilliard goes viral. - whereismikeyfl 08:18 pm EST 01/14/22 | |
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| I always thought Yale had no undergraduate Theatre program--certainly not at the level of Juilliard or NYU in terms of BFA Acting programs. My own alma mater, Northwestern (where I took my degree in Interpretation not Theater, but we shared a building), did not, when I was a student have a BFA in Theater--all theater majors received the same B.S. Speech (now, B.S. Communication) degree--there were some natural paths people with different aspirations followed--those aspiring to become actors typically took the three-year acting sequence, starting in the sophomore year--there was a freshman acting class that I think most Theater majors took, regardless of their ambitions), most often all three years with the same instructor (which had its plusses and minuses--ask those who were in Bud Beyer's "studio". I knew one person who took a different instructor for each year--she wanted to learn from as many different acting teachers as she could. She seemed to have come out of the program with fewer wounds. Interestingly, her favorite was Ron Parady, who left (he may not have been given tenure) and continued to have a decent working life as an actor. | |
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| re: Actor rejected by Juilliard goes viral. | |
| Posted by: whereismikeyfl 11:23 pm EST 01/15/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Actor rejected by Juilliard goes viral. - BruceinIthaca 04:34 pm EST 01/15/22 | |
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| There is an undergraduate theater program at Yale, but like NYU's drama program, it is separate from the graduate department. | |
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| re: Actor rejected by Juilliard goes viral. | |
| Posted by: jonesing 03:53 pm EST 01/16/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Actor rejected by Juilliard goes viral. - whereismikeyfl 11:23 pm EST 01/15/22 | |
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| Yale undergrad and NYU undergrad are quite different. In the old tradition of liberal arts colleges, Yale offers no "pre-professional" undergraduate degrees in any subject--therefore, no BFAs. You can get a BA in Theater Studies, but that is more like majoring in Dramatic Literature, even though there are acting classes. The active undergraduate theater community at Yale is fueled and organized by students. NYU undergrad on the other hand offers BFAs which involve more conservatory-style training at one of the various studios that make up the NYU BFA. As mentioned previously, Yale undergrad and the Yale School of Drama are separate entities. NYU undergrad BFA and the NYU MFA in acting are also separate entities. Juilliard accepts 18 acting students each year--about half BFA and half MFA. |
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| re: Actor rejected by Juilliard goes viral. | |
| Posted by: whereismikeyfl 09:39 am EST 01/17/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Actor rejected by Juilliard goes viral. - jonesing 03:53 pm EST 01/16/22 | |
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| Thank you for explaining better than I did. It should be said that Julliard did not begin giving degrees until very recently. It had always been a certificate program. |
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| Posted by: MTPROF77 01:15 pm EST 01/14/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Actor rejected by Juilliard goes viral. - portenopete 11:05 am EST 01/14/22 | |
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| Yes, completely agree. Social media has too much power in our society today! | |
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| re: Actor rejected by Juilliard goes viral. | |
| Posted by: tedlefdes 11:03 am EST 01/14/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Actor rejected by Juilliard goes viral. - Jdnyc33 08:56 am EST 01/14/22 | |
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| The saddest commentary is from Brendan Gahan, a partner and the chief social officer at Mekanism, a creative agency. "The Juilliard School’s rejection of a social media star is a micro example of the macro cultural shifts we’re seeing today. The reality is Axel does not need traditional credentials. In today’s media landscape, Axel already has the upper hand." I would prefer to spend my time in the theatre watching actors with some actual training, not personalities skilled only in behaving for their camera phones. | |
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| re: Actor rejected by Juilliard goes viral. | |
| Posted by: wmgrad1976 01:53 pm EST 01/14/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Actor rejected by Juilliard goes viral. - tedlefdes 11:03 am EST 01/14/22 | |
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| What's most outrageous about all of that he has zero experience acting on a stage and his followers are upset that Juilliard rejected him! “Although I’ve never been on the stage, I get to have my own stage right here in this 95-square-foot apartment,” he said. “I can only imagine how great the real stage will feel.” |
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| re: "He has zero experience acting on a stage" | |
| Posted by: Dale 10:05 am EST 01/15/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Actor rejected by Juilliard goes viral. - wmgrad1976 01:53 pm EST 01/14/22 | |
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| He was home schooled and "attended" a virtual university. Theater is a group effort. Does he work well with others? | |
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| Last Edit: PlayWiz 02:36 pm EST 01/14/22 | |
| Posted by: PlayWiz 02:34 pm EST 01/14/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Actor rejected by Juilliard goes viral. - wmgrad1976 01:53 pm EST 01/14/22 | |
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| Most of the people accepted into Juilliard and similar kinds of acting schools are those who have been pretty much standouts of their high school and/or college productions, and some may already have some professional experience. They've been competitive by already doing auditions, winning roles and going through the process of learning roles, rehearsing them and having experienced doing shows in front of live audiences. They have already shown a commitment in time and energy to the stage, unlike this person, and most of the applicants will be rejected, same as when they start auditioning for professional productions. | |
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| re: Actor rejected by Juilliard goes viral. | |
| Posted by: BruceinIthaca 04:38 pm EST 01/15/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Actor rejected by Juilliard goes viral. - PlayWiz 02:34 pm EST 01/14/22 | |
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| Yes, and, while I think actors in training are best served by taking a more liberal arts-centered undergraduate degree in Theatre (read some novels? take some cultural anthropology? study science because not everyone thinks the universe revolves around actors!), I think it's nonsense for most people with as little theatre experience as he has had to expect they will be serious contenders for places like Juilliard. No doubt there are always some exceptions--individuals who are just naturally gifted--but they are few and far between. | |
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