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| Posted by: ryhog 10:41 pm EST 01/14/22 | |
| In reply to: CNBC has this tidbit, which I’m not sure has been mentioned elsewhere - MockingbirdGirl 09:59 pm EST 01/14/22 | |
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| once again, to repeat what I've said a zillion times now, it all gets back to the leadership vacuum. And now on to this article, written by someone with no knowledge of the industry and consequently no reason to be able to formulate the essential questions. Question #1. So 802 has a hibernation provision. Does any other union? Do all other unions? (If so, it's news to me but I am happy to be corrected.) If they don't, then this is meaningless. I'm sure provisions in the 802 contract seem so so germane to, e.g., Mockingbird (the show, not the fabulous chatter of the same name). I think a lot of people are massively underestimating the world of hurt we are in. |
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| re: CNBC has this tidbit, which I’m not sure has been mentioned elsewhere | |
| Posted by: sirpupnyc 11:28 pm EST 01/14/22 | |
| In reply to: re: CNBC has this tidbit, which I’m not sure has been mentioned elsewhere - ryhog 10:41 pm EST 01/14/22 | |
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| The only Production Agreement I have handy is 2008–2011, and doesn't seem to include anything about that sort of layoff. I might have at least the next most recent one on my work computer, but I don't feel like looking right now. The layoff provisions in the one I do have at hand requires things like four weeks' notice. (For an allowed layoff for Holy Week or not more than seven days of the two weeks before Christmas...this is some ancient stuff.) |
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| re: CNBC has this tidbit, which I’m not sure has been mentioned elsewhere | |
| Posted by: ryhog 12:08 am EST 01/15/22 | |
| In reply to: re: CNBC has this tidbit, which I’m not sure has been mentioned elsewhere - sirpupnyc 11:28 pm EST 01/14/22 | |
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| I did not look at the recent one, because I am basically lazy, but I would have been surprised if I had never noticed a provision like that. My guess is that it dates back a long way, and has hung on in the 802 agreement because no one cared enough to take it out. One other observation: these are not the kind of provisions that work even when they are present. Exceptions are better dealt with as they arise (and they are, generally). We are in uncharted territory right now (an understatement) and there was an opportunity for a leader to step forward. That did not happen, for a variety of reasons. So we have informal ad hoc leadership, not necessarily palatable, and not effective as we have known since the passage of the Wagner Act. One more thing: anyone who thought Kevin McCollum of all people would send his books to a union has lost their mind. | |
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| re: CNBC has this tidbit, which I’m not sure has been mentioned elsewhere | |
| Posted by: JereNYC (JereNYC@aol.com) 01:52 pm EST 01/17/22 | |
| In reply to: re: CNBC has this tidbit, which I’m not sure has been mentioned elsewhere - ryhog 12:08 am EST 01/15/22 | |
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| In the days before theatres were air conditioned, didn't productions sometimes shut down for the summer months and then reopen in the fall when the weather cooled off? I wonder how those "hiatuses" were handled. I wonder if these contract provisions may date from that time. | |
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