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| re: So, Encores erased the fat character in Tap Dance Kid. Have other major productions? Has Encores done this before? | |
| Posted by: ChattaMatta 06:34 pm EST 02/07/22 | |
| In reply to: re: So, Encores erased the fat character in Tap Dance Kid. Have other major productions? Has Encores done this before? - Singapore/Fling 06:30 pm EST 02/07/22 | |
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| "In the ideal situation, the goal isn’t “not to offend anyone”, it’s to create an authentic, multi-layered character who isn’t the butt of a joke or whose identity isn’t being used as a signifier." A critical point, very nicely stated. |
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| re: So, Encores erased the fat character in Tap Dance Kid. Have other major productions? Has Encores done this before? | |
| Last Edit: Chazwaza 07:30 pm EST 02/07/22 | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 07:25 pm EST 02/07/22 | |
| In reply to: re: So, Encores erased the fat character in Tap Dance Kid. Have other major productions? Has Encores done this before? - ChattaMatta 06:34 pm EST 02/07/22 | |
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| And you think the production would only know if the fat character was the butt of a joke if they hired a "body positivity consultant"? And you think all characters who aren't white, cis male, straight, thin and young, need to be authentic multilayered characters? And if they aren't then a consultant from that community who is also a quality dramaturg worth hiring should be brought on to help re-write and guided the writer to re-writing it so they are? Interesting. (also, i must say, i know several dramaturgs and trust me when i say many dramaturgs are not worth hiring) These are very different things... consulting on whether or not the community the character belongs to would be negatively impacted by the way its written ... and making sure the character in question (and all characters who are minority of any kind) is "multi-layered", and should not be confused as the same thing. |
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| re: So, Encores erased the fat character in Tap Dance Kid. Have other major productions? Has Encores done this before? | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 08:03 pm EST 02/07/22 | |
| In reply to: re: So, Encores erased the fat character in Tap Dance Kid. Have other major productions? Has Encores done this before? - Chazwaza 07:25 pm EST 02/07/22 | |
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| I don’t know why you’re presuming this is only about “minorities”. There are plenty of rooms that could benefit from a consultant on how to portray or engage with White, cis, straight men. You know dramaturgs who are not worth hiring… well we all know plenty of people in all professions who are not worth hiring, and we know some who are. The lousy ones don’t discredit the position. |
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| re: So, Encores erased the fat character in Tap Dance Kid. Have other major productions? Has Encores done this before? | |
| Last Edit: Chazwaza 08:31 pm EST 02/07/22 | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 08:25 pm EST 02/07/22 | |
| In reply to: re: So, Encores erased the fat character in Tap Dance Kid. Have other major productions? Has Encores done this before? - Singapore/Fling 08:03 pm EST 02/07/22 | |
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| I happen to think the majority of people claiming to be a dramaturg do discredit the position. And I'm not presuming this is only about minorities. And no need to put that in quotes, there are many many minorities, I don't mean the word dismissively. It is, I think, only about minorities, because no one is concerned about misrepresenting or doing harm in the perception of characters who are in major majority communities. They are not at risk of something negative being created in the audiences mind about them, and they don't suffer from limited representation (or limited authentic representation, acknowledging that no minority group or minority group is monolithic, and my experience as a gay person is different than yours, and their experience as het/white is different than someone elses) in media or entertainment. There are also very few rooms, as you say, that have no white cis straight male representation or oversight which are also attempting to tell stories involving white/male/cis/het characters -- except as antagonists or villains or minor characters not worthy of focus, in which case the people in non-cis/white/het/male room are not typically concerned with that majority group feeling that their representation in that project was potentially harmful or inauthentic to their lived experience. It's not a bad thing that this is prioritizing and exclusively considering "minorities", my point was more that almost all musicals, plays, movies and tv shows have characters, in a majority or minority community, who are not multi-layered nuanced characters or even having enough material to use to be verify whether or not they're "authentic"... and that's ok. It is not the responsibility of every piece of art or entertainment to not only include a diverse group of characters but also to give them all enough detail and layering that they can be looked to as an notable and positive representation of the group they would be counted as belonging to. But I'm very much reacting to the wording you used originally and the mixing of impact of the writing vs the writing itself, and of a specific and limited consultant vs a collaborator. I think they are different, I don't think either or both are necessary in all situations of a writer "writing outside their own lived experience" (again, almost all writers, writing almost anything). |
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